Yesterday, a message arrived in my email inbox with the title “Are you happy to die a virgin,” a somewhat unusual question, I felt, not just because of its faulty premise but also because of its lack of the conventional question mark at the end. The email itself was equally blunt and illiterate:
You sound like a 40 y/o FAT VIRGIN living in a basement rotting away. Is manboobz.com your way of hide behind your own internal issues u refuse to face? Father issues???
Ah, here’s where the missing question mark went, along with some friends.
The sender appended a photo of an extremely obese Asian man at least 20 years my junior, mostly if not completely nude, along with the question (and I quote verbatim) “This this photo you??”
As hate mail goes, this isn’t particularly interesting and original. What got my attention was the sender: it came from the admin account at mensrightsmelbourne.com, an Australian Men’s Rights site taking much of its inspiration from Men’s Rights Edmonton (its website design) and A Voice for Men (its propaganda). So this wasn’t simply some anonymous internet troll sending me puerile hate mail: this is one of Australia’s most visible MRAs.
On the front page I noticed something else: A post with the title: “‘Twitter gave me PTSD’: Woman claims mean comments and ‘cyberstalking’ gave her an illness usually suffered by WAR VETERANS.”
The post – most of which is plagiarised directly from The Daily Mail, including the title itself – is an attack on Melody Hensley, a feminist and skeptic who is the Executive Director of Center for Inquiry in Washington DC. Hensley, who in the past suffered intense harassment from misogynists in the skeptic movement and other assorted assholes, is now facing a second wave of harassment as a result of saying publicly that the earlier harassment had given her Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
That’s right: she’s being harassed for saying that harassment so fucked up her life that it gave her PTSD.
While much of the most vicious harassment this time is coming, as it did last time, from the misogynist wing of the atheist/skeptic movement, MRAs are jumping on board as well.
The “argument” of Hensley’s enemies? That she couldn’t possibly have gotten PTSD from “mean words” online. Men’s Rights blogger The Native Canadian put it this way:
PTSD from being a feminist on the internet? Yeah I bet she wakes up screaming at night because of all the mean words! Must be hard going day to day with flash backs of your friends being called “femnazi’s” right in front of you! How ever do you handle life? Fucking disgraceful b****. Let’s see her tell that to someone who really knows what living with PTSD is like. …
I’m sorry but I am totally shocked, I don’t know what else to say, other than, is there nothing sacred to these cat lovers?
And that’s pretty much the argument all of them make: based on nothing but their own vague notion that PTSD is a serious thing that only happens to soldiers, they’ve decided she’s a lying “b****” who is trying to steal the sympathy that rightly belongs to men. (Never mind that her comments on Twitter about veterans suffering from PTSD are always respectful.)
As Hensley has made clear, she’s not claiming that a few mean tweets gave her PTSD. On a page she’s set up to help raise money for research into PTSD she notes:
In July of 2013 I publicly disclosed that I had been diagnosed by my psychiatrist with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) due to more than a year of online harassment and abuse. The abuse -including death and rape threats- occurred on numerous websites and via email, phone, online postings, images, and videos.
Is it possible for this sort of harassment to cause PTSD? Well, according to someone who knows a lot more about the subject than me or The Native Canadian or the dude at Men’s Rights Melbourne or the staff writers at The Daily Mail, the answer is a clear yes. Caleb W. Lack, a licensed clinical psychologist and psychology professor who writes a blog called Great Plains Skeptic, and who is an expert on anxiety disorders, writes in a recent post on the Hensley controversy that
Bullying has long been known to have a severe impact on mental health, particularly if the bullying is repeated and prolonged. While research has traditionally focused on youth (as briefly reviewed here), more recent work has examined it’s impact on adults. as well, particularly in the workplace. Research focusing specifically on cyberbullying has found very similar results to “traditional” bullying, in terms of increased risk of depression, suicide, and anxiety. In youth, around a third of bullying victims display quite high rates of PTSD symptoms and rates are perhaps even higher in adults who are bullied.
So, given what we know about PTSD, and given what we know about the effects of bullying (cyber and otherwise) on mental health, I think it’s relatively safe to say that “Yes, you can ‘get’ PTSD from Twitter.” One needs to be careful, though, to be specific about this: it’s the bullying and harassment that could lead to PTSD or PTSD symptoms (as well as depression, increased suicidality, and so on), not anything inherent to Twitter itself. Twitter and other forms of social media are just a new tool to use to bully and harass others, but the underlying mechanisms and the results are the same as if these interactions were face to face.
The internet isn’t somehow apart from the “real world.” It’s a part of it, and actions on the internet have real world consequences. Unfortunately, the internet seems to magnify the power of bullies. But it may also magnify the power of bullying victims to fight back.
Of course, the bullies don’t want to acknowledge that what they are doing is bullying. Indeed, many of the worst bullies in the skeptic and Men’s Rights movements consider themselves “activists” — even though the bulk of their “activism” may consist of nothing more than harassing individuals. That may be part of what is driving the widespread refusal to accept that online harassment can lead to real trauma, including PTSD.
And that may be why the guy at Men’s Rights Melbourne — that is, a guy who sent me a crude, bullying email calling me a “FAT VIRGIN” — felt the need to weigh in on the Hensley’s case, and to insinuate ( in one of the few portions of his post that wasn’t plagiarised) that she’s making it all up.
But on some level the bullies know that they’re bullies. There’s no question that the new wave of harassment against Hensley is driven by one of the central dynamics of bullying — offline and on. Bullies love to pounce on anyone who shows signs of vulnerability, and Hensley’s announcement that she suffers from PTSD is a sign that the first wave of bullying got to her.
Happily, that’s not the whole story. What really seems to infuriate Hensley’s enemies is that she’s not acting like they think a victim should. She’s not shutting up and going away. She’s back on Twitter and responding to critics, because doing so gives her a sense of control over her bullies. She’s taking power away from them.
On A Voice for Men, Dean Esmay tries his best, in a barely coherent post, to paint her as a “professional damsel in distress” who deserves to be distressed some more. But the tweets of hers he reposts aren’t very damsel-like; they’re blunt and direct and they call out bullies by name. And when she posts them she knows she has the support of a lot of people who are as disgusted by the bullies as she is.
And while the bullies fulminate, she’s raising money for PTSD research. Because she’s an actual fucking activist, not a bully with a Twitter account, or a website, or a YouTube channel.
EDIT: There has been a lot of really good stuff written about Hensley and PTSD, particularly on Freethought Blogs. Here are some links to interesting, useful, insightful posts.
How could Twitter possibly cause PTSD? by Stephanie Zwan, documents some of the harassment.
What Melody Hensley Has to Teach You About Professionalism, an older (2013) piece by Zvan
Your Uninformed and Incorrect Opinions About Psychology, by Miri Mogilevsky
A Voice for Me – AVfM and Thunderfoot on PTSD, by Avicenna
PTSD and Me(lody), by Avicenna
Feel free to post more links in the comments!
NOTE TO DRIVE-BY ASSHOLES: If you want to talk about what a liar you think Melody Hensley is, don’t bother trying to post comments here. I mean, you can if you want; it’s just that it takes me a lot less time to throw them in the trash than it does for you to write them.
Then*
My appologies
No matter what the disorder or trauma is, women are always assumed to have lesser versions of it. PTSD is Much More Serious Business for male veterans, and imaginary for female targets of rape/bullying/harrassment, who are obviously just making it up to get attention.
Then there’s childbirth, normally experienced by women, but Much More Serious Business for men. due to the high potential for scratches and unsuitable language in the delivery room. Women giving birth are no big deal biologically, so all the sympathy and bravery credits should go to the fathers. The Native Canadian would no doubt nod in agreement on this one. Feelings are only “outrageous and shocking” when women have them, you see.
Melody Hensley, and David, display remarkable grace and courage in calmly standing up to these bullies and exposing them for what they are. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
This from the same people who feel oppressed by women’s butts.
The abusers lobby strikes again.
Actually the issue is not that. It’s very easy but not very healthy to compare PTSD triggers. People do not quite understand things about PTSD (Here’s my take on the issue as a sufferer of PTSD from warfare)
http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongods/2014/04/21/ptsd-and-melody
And me dealing with the Thunderfoot/AVfM tag team
http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongods/2014/04/22/a-voice-for-me-avfm-and-thunderfoot-on-ptsd/
The dialogue is what’s wrong.
Melody getting PTSD from Twitter Harassment is the issue. We know it’s due to harassment. These people think it’s due to Twitter rather than harassment. It is spin. So when people pass on the information it’s not “She was bullied” but “she saw some twets”. One’s a lot more understandable than the other.
I’ve been bullied (offline, and on). It sucks. The sense of dread when one sees the inbox has a sudden influx of mail… It’s taken some toll, there are times I don’t want to speak out, when I use a burner account to make comments (so that the sorts who will bully can’t get to me directly).
So I have no doubt she could be suffering PTSD as a result. One of the things which makes it easier to speak my mind is knowing there are people who will cover me, and provide some support (even if I’m wrong; not that they will support my errors, but they will point out that bullying, in response to error, is bullshit).
These yahoos know they are being abusive. I think they see the ability to do so slipping from their grasp. It’s not that they think “online” isn’t real (they gain too much pleasure from using the net to actually believe that), but the rest of the world seems to be catching on to this, and starting to call them on their shit (even to the point of it, “getting real” enough to land some of them in jail).
They are, of course, quick to say, “hey that’s not fair” (e.g. Jezebel not redacting names in the Epsilon Iota mess at American University) when the “bullying” is against one of their fellow travellers.
But bullies have ever been hypocrites.
I like that you used Thunderf00t as your example of a YouTube bully. I hadn’t thought of him as a bully, and now I’m questioning why, since he fits the definition perfectly.
I have also wondered why manboobz doesn’t cover his misogynistic crap more often?
As a sufferer of mental illness and someone that has followed organized skepticism for the last 12 years or so, this stuff makes me really, really mad. I made the mistake of reading some comments about this (on the Caleb Lack post and elsewhere) and the “she doesn’t really have PTSD because x, she’s just weak” rhetoric is very similar to the “depression is all in your head, snap out of it, you’re just being lazy/weak” attitude that makes that particular condition much harder to deal with.
Yet there are plenty of “skeptics” playing at armchair psychology over there. They’re acting like anti-vaxxers, because their argument is equivalent to “that child doesn’t have autism because he’s not been vaccinated and I don’t care what his doctor says.” Yet if confronted with that, I can bet they’d be all yelling about science and evidence. When the science and evidence is against them, though, they’re happy to throw it out the window and argue like a snake oil salesman.
Skepticism is supposed to be about critical thinking and rationality, and these people like to employ the rhetoric up until such time it interferes with them being reprehensible, women-hating, victim-blaming scumbags. Urgh.
I donated a few bucks, and thanked her for organizing this campaign.
I tried watching a thunderf00t video once. It was a response to something by Anita Sarkeesian. The smug, hateful, creepy voice combined with the utter nonsense meant I didn’t get more than about 3 minutes in. I personally can’t fault David in the slightest for not watching those.
Dean Esmay’s comment on his own post:
The lack of self-awareness is truly astonishing. Someone should write an article about him for a psychology journal.
If the law is on your side pound the law. If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If neither is on your side, pound your keyboard.
The MRM has plenty of flat keyboards by now.
(Apologies for the appropriated quote/saying)
It is very gross to see MRAs appropriating veteran’s issues. What they hell do any of these guys do for vets? Are they donating to organizations that assist veteran’s with disabilities and/or PTSD? Are they lobbying for increased funding for PTSD treatments at the VA? Probably not. But hey, it makes a useful cudgel against a woman they don’t like. That surely counts as activism!
I worked as a contractor for the VA for years. IME most people don’t give a fuck about veterans unless they want to use them as a propaganda tool for the military-industrial complex. Looking too hard at the effects of war gets in the way of war cheerleading. It’s cheap and gross and it’s no surprise that the MRA is doing the same thing.
Maybe trigger? Rape/PTSD
I was raped as a teenager and was recently diagnosed with PTSD because of it, almost 20 years after the event. It means more than I can say when people like you, and your followers stand up for people like me.
Living as a rape victim, when you didn’t think what happened was rape, when you blame yourself, and when you jump out of your skin whenever someone even says the word – let alone jokes about it is hard. I was also a virgin before it happened and have not been intimate with anyone since. Virginity is something I would never make fun of. What is with these people?
It feels like a form of terrorism and I hate that I don’t have the courage to advocate about this under my own name. The fact that you mock these guys so I can begin to see them as less boogeymen than just assholes is helping me heal. Thanks y’all.
Also hi, long time lurker, first time poster. I hope to be able to write something more fun next time. 😉
Rose
I know I should cover Thunderfoot, but honestly I can’t stand listening to MRA and MRA-adjacent videos; it’s the same reason I don’t cover GirlWritesWhat more. Reading these people is irritating enough, but listening to them is so much worse; it just amplifies their unwarranted smugness. It feels like I’ve been cornered by the most obnoxious person at a party and they’e determined to deliver a ten minute speech to me. I rarely make it more than 30 seconds into any of their videos.
Thank you, David! I know you’re not the first, but it’s really refreshing to hear people call this shit out for what it really is. Bullying. It’s a bunch of grown children who can’t stop bullying others.
Also, if you wanted, perhaps I could provide transcripts of Thunderfoot or other videos for you. That way it could still get covered and you don’t have to let your ears be poisoned. I know I haven’t been contributing much as far as comments lately, as life has been relentlessly busy, but my schedule has shifted a bit now, so I’d have a little time to do a video transcript for you now and then.
RE: grumpycatisagirl
I’m seriously dismayed that even the mainstream attitude is to blast her for even daring to say she has PTSD.
I’m not really surprised, but I’ve been out as mentally ill on the Internet for years. People really, REALLY flip their shit when we refuse to just shut up and stop daring to exist.
Seriously the “trauma needs to be THIS AWFUL to be real” meme needs to die. It took me until like, last month to realize that my Raping Year would be considered major trauma by a lot of people–I always assumed it was bupkis, because I was raised on DID memoirs. (Trust me, a year of rape is considered peanuts in those things.)
RE: dustydeste
It’s a tremendous disservice to sufferers, and the amount of callous disregard for the wellbeing of others that is involved in attempting to diminish and delegitimise what a victim of harassment has endured, while at the same time piling on more harassment, boggles my mind.
What? MRAs, using mental illness and trauma as a pissing contest instead of actually trying to help someone? This totally up-ends my understanding of how they do business! I am shocked! SHOCKED!
RE: sparky
Who the hell harrasses someone who has PTSD from online harassment? That’s like, taking a crowbar and beating on the cast of someone with a broken leg.
Well, isn’t that the classic behavior of assholes? “Why are you crying? I’LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT.”
Hi Rose! Hugs if you want them. I hope you’re getting support and care away from keyboard, and you can always lean on us here too. Here’s a welcome package for you.
What a perfect illustration of how “activism” in the MRM sense works. It’s a game of angry, juvenile mad libs where you throw together as many sexist memes as you can cram into the comment box provided, and top them off with uncreative swearing and tragically creative grammar and punctuation.
Rose, welcome, and thanks for sharing your story.
AIT, sure, if you’re willing to transcribe videos that would be great! Maybe send a link to me beforehand so I can see if it’s something I think would work for a post; I wouldn’t want you transcribing something I wasn’t going to end up writing about. Thanks!
Everyone: I added some links to the end of the post to some Freethought blog posts on all this that are worth checking out.
(Hugs Rose)
Not to mention the “you’re mentally ill, therefore your perceptions of reality are wrong, therefore you’re no longer allowed to have an opinion on any topic, ever” aspect.
RE: katz
Not to mention the “you’re mentally ill, therefore your perceptions of reality are wrong, therefore you’re no longer allowed to have an opinion on any topic, ever” aspect.
YUP! People don’t seem to realize that there’s a spectrum. For instance, I walk around aware that my memory will distort and censor upsetting material, that my understanding of reality is unorthodox at best, and people will still ask my advice, because I’m accustomed to dealing with these things and apparently still have a chunk of common sense.
I have many opinions. Let me show you them. *snrk*
Email sent!
Like I said, sorry I’ve been lame on commenting here lately. I have been lurking though. Can’t wait to see the WHTM revamp!
Rose:
Wow. nthing offers of hugs, support, and kittehs.
Thanks for covering this, David.
I just want to add that it’s not a secret that Melody grew up in foster care and is also a rape survivor.
Not that bullying, including cyber-bullying, isn’t BY ITSELF traumatic enough to cause PTSD. But in their pathetic attempts to rationalize and justify their abuse, these assholes are calling her “privileged” and assuming that she doesn’t have any other trauma in her background.
(Hey, what’s unskeptical about making assumptions without evidence?)