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6 Memes from A Voice for Men, and What They Really Mean

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Memes, memes everywhere, and not a drop of sense.

A Voice for Men seems to have gone a bit meme-crazy. The site’s official Pinterest page, which seems to be fairly new, is loaded up with 374 memes on such subjects as Sexual Politics, False Accusations, MGTOW, and of course Feminism.

It’s not clear how many of these memes were created by the AVFM “Meme Team” and how many were simply grabbed from the internet. But a number of the memes are emblazoned with the A Voice for Men name and/or logo, so I think it’s fair to say that these, at least, are “official” AVFM memes.

Going through these memes, one thing about them becomes clear very quickly: most of them seem to convey messages that are often considerably different than those their creators seem to have intended.

So here, without further ado, here are 6 AVFM memes and what they really mean.

1) MEN SOLVE PROBLEMS

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What this meme purports to say: These two variations on the same meme might (charitably) be interpreted to mean that we should honor the historical achievements of men.

What this meme really says: Men are superior to women. Suck it up, dumb bitches!

2) TODAY HE WOULD BE CALLED A RAPIST

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What this meme purports to say: Feminist ideologues have so corrupted the notion of rape that is has become ridiculous.

What this meme really says: We basically don’t understand what consent is. Why shouldn’t a dude be allowed to just go kiss a woman on the mouth without her permission?

3) THANKS FOR NOTHING, FEMINISM!

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What this meme purports to say: Feminism has conned women into giving up the joys of motherhood for the sorrows of wage labor

What this meme really says: We believe in a magical prefeminist fairyland in which all mothers were young, beautiful middle class women whose husbands could afford to support them while they raised children. There was no such thing as the working class, or women working in factory jobs, before feminism. Also, we basically think women shouldn’t have jobs, though we get mad at housewives for “leeching” off their husbands all the time, too.

4) COMMITTED TO FAIRNESS IN FAMILY COURTS

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What this meme purports to say: Judges should not automatically assume that mothers will make better parents than fathers.

What this meme really says: We hate women, and love to laugh at them, and think that if any woman anywhere behaves badly it reflects poorly on all women due to the transitive property of women being terrible bitches.

5) BAN BOSSY?

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What this meme purports to say: We oppose the #BanBossy campaign, for some reason.

What this meme really says: We hate women with any power in the world. We also hate little girls.

6) FEMINISTS WON’T STOP UNTIL WE MAKE THEM

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What these related memes purport to say: These two memes suggest that feminism is a vicious, violent ideology that must be strongly opposed.

What these memes really say: We like to portray ourselves as victims of feminist violence, even if we have to imagine it, because that gives us a justification to indulge in wild fantasies of violent “retribution” that for some reason involve fists being shoved into women’s orifices.

COMING SOON: An arbitrary number of A Voice for Men memes that make no fucking sense.

EDIT: Proofreading fixes.

 

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I quite like snakes, in general, but I have to admit that the one time we found a very large one in the garden while we were eating breakfast at a friend’s house in Kuala Lumpur I was a bit freaked out. Large snakes are more of a post-coffee kind of thing, ideally.

eli
eli
6 years ago

I’m sure Malaysian snakes are probably more impressive than those in midwest America, barring the poisonous ones.

pecunium
6 years ago

I miss having snakes (used to breed them). Slimy is so not the word. Dry, smooth (or pleasantly rough, should they be a keeled variety) with a stiffly grabby belly. Solid is the best way to describe what Cassandra called, “muscly”.

And yes, big snakes are not the thing to see when alone.

eli
eli
6 years ago

Yeah, it’s stupid, we had an argument last week about snake sliminess. She’s an old farm girl too, she should know better.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

We all grabbed our stuff and ran back into the house, shut the sliding door and waited for it to move on. Better a snake in the garden than a snake in the bathroom, I guess, but I’d never seen one that big up close before. I think it was a cobra.

eli
eli
6 years ago

I’ve never had one personally and probably never will. But I LOVED the snake shack at my summer camp so much. Black snakes around your neck, greenie weenie and his/her belt loop trick. It was awesome.

eli
eli
6 years ago

Gah!…if cobra…run.

katz
6 years ago

Why does my mother keep insisting snakes are slimy? No, mother, they are not slimy. Maybe if they’re sea snakes, but those garter snakes that you freak out about, no.

If it’s a sea snake, that’s the least of your worries.

Snakes feel amazing. I wish there were warm-blooded snakes. They would feel great. (And they’d make great boas.)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I was about 12 or so at the time, so of course son of family friend who was a couple of years older took great delight in telling me all about how cobras will spit venom right in your eyes if you scare them.

eli
eli
6 years ago

@katz

I was just grasping for some way a snake would be slimy. She said, “Don’t they get all slimy crawling around on the ground?”

In her defense, Southern Illinois has some real nasties near the rivers and maybe it was drilled into her as a farm kid.

takshak
takshak
6 years ago

Better a snake in the garden than a snake in the bathroom, I guess,

a friend who spent the summer in Sri Lanka told me they loved the cool tiles, which is why every afternoon, when you got home, you grabbed the snake stick and removed the cobra from your shower.

…hey, where’d everybody go?

eli
eli
6 years ago

Well, I’ve got to go to sleep so I can make more music tomorrow.

I’m very glad I don’t have cobras in my shower, the occasional spider-cricket, but no cobras.

kittehserf
6 years ago

eli, that thing about “snakes are slimy!” seems to be an old idea that won’t go away. Gerald Durrell wrote about it in one of his books – Menagerie Manor, I think – back in, oh, the sixties. He scoffed at it by saying 1) people don’t think twice about handling a wet cake of soap and 2) snakes feel coolish and dry, like a snakeskin handbag, duh.

That green snake crawling through your belt loops sounds adorable.

Snakes feel amazing. I wish there were warm-blooded snakes. They would feel great. (And they’d make great boas.)

Just as long as they weren’t boa constrictors. (Well someone had to say it.)

Pecunium: all the applause for your second note. Collective guilt indeed.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Maybe she’s confusing snakes with eels. Eels definitely are slimy when alive. But very tasty, when not alive, either pan-fried (why is it pan-fried? WTF else would you fry something in?) or smoked. Jellied eels is an acquired taste cos we’re back to the slimy again.

pecunium
6 years ago

titianblue: Pan-fried = sautéed as opposed to deep-fried (or the related, “shallow-fried” in which the oil is 1/4-1/2 the depth of the food), not to be confused with, “chicken-fried” in which the meat is battered before being placed in the oil.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I like snakes, lizards, toads and frogs. I don’t like spiders, but don’t fear them either. Then again, in Minnesota we don’t have lethal versions of any of them.

House Mouse Queen
6 years ago

The fist in the vagina is the most troubling to me. Sexual violence at its core.

Z
Z
6 years ago

Amphibians (frogs, newts and salamanders) are slimy, because they have mucous glands to keep their delicate skin moist. Perhaps that’s the root of the confusion with snakes and lizards.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Oooh, thanks for the clarification, @Pecunium. In the case of eel, I use butter rather than oil & roll inch long sections of eel in seasoned flour before pan-frying 😉

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Re men inventing everything that built civilisation, the other year, the British Museum ran a serious of programs where they got a group of historians to come up with the most important objects in the collection. One of the things that the historians rated as really important (along with all the gold and art objects) was a prehistoric needle. They talked about the genius of the needle, how it revolutionised our ability to make clothing, and about how small and simple yet clever it was.

Interestingly, an early wheel did not make it into the selection.

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

Pan-fried = sautéed as opposed to deep-fried (or the related, “shallow-fried” in which the oil is 1/4-1/2 the depth of the food), not to be confused with, “chicken-fried” in which the meat is battered before being placed in the oil.

Chicken-fried means battered!!?! Blimey. I always thought it meant fried in chicken fat.

We just call battered fish and meat … battered. Which usually/always means deep fried.

Lady Ballsnip
Lady Ballsnip
6 years ago

Wow I just took a look at their Pinterest page. These people seem HORRIBLY immature.

scarlettpipstrelle
6 years ago

Katz you are not the only token religious person. I’m an exmormon, but a convert and before that I was ELCA. I know exactly what you mean.

zippydoo
zippydoo
6 years ago

@cassandrakitty

You’ve made me Disney-hulk. Thanks a lot. Time to go do the dishes leftover from the party yesterday singing ‘Let it go!’ (I’ve sung it so much, I’ve even caught my boyfriend singing it a few times).

kittehserf
6 years ago

We’ve also quite a few people who’re not religious in the sense of following a creed, but are definitely not atheist.

kittehserf
6 years ago

(That’s apart from the fact we all follow the One True Faith, ie. Furrinati worship.)

schwadevivre
schwadevivre
6 years ago

There’s a lovely example of tone trolling on Democratic Underground at the moment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4846205

Alex
6 years ago

Well, I was raised Catholic. I identify as agnostic, leaning toward witchy nature-embracing religions on some days. From my own lived experience, assholes exist everywhere. Religious assholes justify sexism and racism because god; atheist assholes justify it because science. Religious assholes justify homophobia because the Bible/Quran/other holy book; atheist assholes justify because nature (I’ve seen this happen even in the face of other animals being homosexual; one person even claimed PIV sex could only transmit HIV under special circumstances and that therefore anal sex was inherently something humans shouldn’t do and that meant homosexuality was bad). Religious assholes are against abortion because god and babies and consequences for having sex and women’s role; atheist assholes are against abortion…because babies and consequences for having sex and women’s role and “beautiful little life forms”. Agnostic assholes can go either way. Assholes are assholes are assholes no matter what their beliefs may be, or their lack there of, so if some atheists could stop pretending that being atheist makes you a better person, who isn’t sexist, racist, homophobic, or against female-bodied people’s reproductive rights, that would be great, thanks.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Alex – nailed it!

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

OK, so I was getting the impression that both sides were being asked to drop it, which was rubbing me the wrong way, because I feel like we should have the freedom to defend ourselves and each other from assholes. But I didn’t want to be a jerk or upset people, so I wanted to see where the objectors were coming from. It’s all a lot clearer now.

How can the absence of belief be the organizing principle of your life?

I’ve met enough atheists from repressive religious families or regions to understand why atheism as an identity is important to people (especially when it’s the reason people in their life are treating them badly). But as you said, it’s not that way for everyone.

I’m still baffled, not least by why lizard people wouldn’t have legs. Lizards are not generally speaking legless

Maybe she thought there’d be lizard legs. IDK, I’m aware of the “OMG reptilians!” conspiracy theory, but I’m not up on all the details.

On the snake discussion: they’re awesome, and I wanted one as a pet for the longest time. They’re a spine with a head, and that’s it! How cool is that? And they feel really cool when they wrap around your arm. Thinking that they’re slimy is actually a common misconception – maybe it’s because they look like worms, or just a visceral “ew gross” reaction?

(And they’d make great boas.)

I see what you did there.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
6 years ago

Interestingly, an early wheel did not make it into the selection.

From my *extremely fuzzy* memories of elementary school history lessons, pre-european north americans didn’t have wheels. Plains people used travois, which was a kind of rack they attached to dogs (and later horses) to drag carrying stuff, but the ends just dragged. And wheels aren’t very useful in the snow, so what would they do with a stockpile of wheels all winter anyway?

What I’m saying is that wheels aren’t the ULTIMATE useful technological achievement.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
6 years ago

Okay, that was probably the most incoherent description of anything, ever. Sorry. Time for coffee.

Travois: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travois

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

I’m one of those witchy nature-worshippers that the conventional religionists and the militant anti-theist atheists both despise and think are somehow mentally defective. As a result, I have no more use for Dawkins-style “atheist” assholism than I do for fundamentalist patriarchal religion. Both, to me, have one major, and very asinine, thing in common. Which is quite ironic when you consider how at-each-other’s-throats they are over everything else.

One thing I have noticed, though, in the course of my 25-odd years of informal studies of comparative religion, is the fact that there’s a growing groundswell of Abrahamic believers who are working hard to reclaim and restore the Divine Feminine in their respective beliefs. There are Catholic/Christian feminists reclaiming Mary, the saints, etc.; Jewish feminists reclaiming Lilith, Eve and other denigrated Old Testament women and Middle Eastern goddesses; Muslims working hard to distinguish between what the Qur’an actually says, and what is just patriarchal tribalism dressed up as “Islam”. To deny that there is a feminist current at work in the Big Three Patriarchies is to miss a huge part of the picture. And it doesn’t do feminism any favors, either.

So the idea that you can only be a good feminist by abjuring all religion rings totally false to me, and the idea that being an atheist automatically makes you “more rational, because no gods” doesn’t ring true either. Feminism is what you bring to your belief system, whatever it may be, to achieve women’s equality everywhere. If you don’t bring it, it doesn’t matter if you’re a complete unbeliever; you’re still part of the problem, and you are no nearer a solution than if you’d been the very fundiest of fundies.

And that’s about all that I have to say on the religion question.

cloudiah
6 years ago

One of the things I often say when I’m confronted by people who think feminism is the belief in women’s superiority to men is that I don’t think women are better than men — we’re just not worse. What several of those memes demonstrate is that MRAs firmly believe that women are worse than men. That belief is absolutely central to their worldview.

Somewhat similarly, I’m an atheist because I don’t believe in god, not because I think atheists are better than non-atheists. I am full of admiration for many of the non-atheists I know from here and elsewhere. You guys are awesome. <3

Lkeke35
Lkeke35
6 years ago

Speaking as a WoC ,who is slightly outside the MRA bubble, it just seems extremely obvious to me that this is just all about them. I’m reminded of this every time I come to this site. That there is a subset of White men who hate White women with the passion of a thousand suns because they can’t have them.

It’s all just some sort of scream of primal rage, a three yr. old having a tantrum over not being allowed to have ice cream, aimed at Pretty White Girls. WoC are never referenced and pretty much don’t exist because in the minds of these creatures , we just aren’t the kind of women they covet. They covet the White females who have made it abundantly clear that they don’t want them. Usually, conventionally attractive, blondes, under 25, since they’ve also made it pretty clear they’re not interested in White women who are older than that either.

If anyone on here has ever read Aesop’s Fables, one of my favorite ones, whose meaning has stuck with me for decades is the Tale of The Sour Grapes. That is a textbook example of what I think is happening every time I read this kind of stuff from them.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

It’s all just some sort of scream of primal rage, a three yr. old having a tantrum over not being allowed to have ice cream, aimed at Pretty White Girls. WoC are never referenced and pretty much don’t exist because in the minds of these creatures , we just aren’t the kind of women they covet. They covet the White females who have made it abundantly clear that they don’t want them. Usually, conventionally attractive, blondes, under 25, since they’ve also made it pretty clear they’re not interested in White women who are older than that either.

That about nails it, yup. It’s been obvious to me since I was a non-blonde, non-blue-eyed child that certain types are prized above all others. And that all these guys think they’re entitled to one of these trophy-ladies just for existing as males. Everything and everyone else doesn’t exist, except as a transient annoyance to be shoved aside and yelled at. And when the pretty young blondes find themselves getting creeped on by these guys, and don’t respond as hoped, well…another misodge is born.

It’s sour grapes all the way down.

eli
eli
6 years ago

I always wanted to dye my blonde hair something else, but was always either too cheap or too poor. At least it’s finally getting a lot darker and graying so there’s hope on the horizon.

Alex
6 years ago

Bina’s comment:

I’m one of those witchy nature-worshippers that the conventional religionists and the militant anti-theist atheists both despise and think are somehow mentally defective. As a result, I have no more use for Dawkins-style “atheist” assholism than I do for fundamentalist patriarchal religion. Both, to me, have one major, and very asinine, thing in common.

QFT

By the way, happy Easter to those who celebrate it!

katz
6 years ago

Katz you are not the only token religious person. I’m an exmormon, but a convert and before that I was ELCA. I know exactly what you mean.

Sorry, I shouldn’t have phrased it that way. That sounded dismissive of the other theists around here.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

It’s all just some sort of scream of primal rage, a three yr. old having a tantrum over not being allowed to have ice cream, aimed at Pretty White Girls. WoC are never referenced and pretty much don’t exist because in the minds of these creatures , we just aren’t the kind of women they covet. They covet the White females who have made it abundantly clear that they don’t want them. Usually, conventionally attractive, blondes, under 25, since they’ve also made it pretty clear they’re not interested in White women who are older than that either.

Well, sometimes they do reference Asian women, but only as a convenient way to scold white women for not being thin and submissive enough. Other than that, yep, cosigned. Whenever MRAs are banging on about “women” you can usually read it as either “white, thin, conventionally pretty high school girls or college students” or “women who remind me of my ex wife, therefore white, middle class, over 40, and omg they’re all such bitches”. With MGTOW and PUAs it may also mean “conventionally pretty white women my age, so 30 something, who’ve never been interested in me but now they’re hitting the wall that I invented to make myself feel better about the women I just mentioned not wanting to date me, oh no I’m not indulging in bitter revenge fantasies, why would you think that?”

If neither of these descriptions matches you they probably haven’t noticed that you exist, unless you happen to be blocking their view of one of the women they want to rage-wank about.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago
that_femputes
that_femputes
6 years ago

@katz I’m a manboobz lurker who is too shy to permanently delurk, but I’d just like to pop in to say that you aren’t the only theist – or ELCA member!

And because I feel the need to point out that there is a blog run by the husband of the youth director at my “ELCA” church – back when I was in the middle school – called “Exposing the ELCA”. But it’s 100% from the other side and it’s kind of funny to see the loaded questions he pops in the poll on the front page. He came in at random times to spoonfeed us a lot of fundamentalist crap and in a subtle manner at that (not saying but implying we shouldn’t believe evolution, recommending the Gresh books, etc.) and my parents weren’t happy to find that out when I told them years later. Glad we moved.

The ELCA *itself* is pretty great and I’ve stayed involved with church or at least some of the charities it runs, despite religion kind of waning in importance to me over that time. I’d be sad to hear about the church leadership doing something bad.

By the way, I found out they kicked out that church in the middle of them being split on whether or not to leave (in moral outrage over that pro-LGBT assembly decision in 2009, of course…), so I will be forever grateful for that, too.

Anyway, I was just a little too tempted to share my revenge-motivated story. Heh.

katz
6 years ago

ELCA fistbump (and happy Easter)! And help yourself to a welcome package!

maria serena
maria serena
6 years ago

the first thing i wondered looking these pics is: do they are so old for being sure that weel has been created by a male? wow….if they have the proof i stop talking….

lkeke35
lkeke35
6 years ago

Yah!, I got one ,cassandrakitty. I’ve commented on here before but my comments are pretty infrequent. Most of the people on here are pretty savvy, and make most of the points I’d make anyway.
I spend most of the time lurking and marvelling at the sheer level of wtf*ery gets posted by these guys. Everyday, they reach new lows, which is just astonishing.

Howard Bannister
6 years ago

Hey, a religion conversation! The perfect place to expound for paragraphs and paragraphs with all my opinions about religion!

Hmm. Or not.

This site, and this community, were actually a large part of my deconversion from fundamentalist Christianity. And so I owe a debt to lots of people here, religious and non.

And I think we’ve gone over all that ground a bunch of times, and once you already know all the details and the arguments the need to hash the same thing out again just becomes a desire to shout at people you disagree with, and I’m just not feeling that.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

@lkeke35

They’re like an onion, but the onion is made of rage, and the bitterness is a result of frustration about the fact that it’s illegal to force women to touch your penis rather than various sulphur-based compounds.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

do they are so old for being sure that weel has been created by a male? wow….if they have the proof i stop talking….

That was my first thought as well! There’s no evidence the wheel was invented by a man – just the sexist assumption that it couldn’t have been a woman.

Falconer
6 years ago

I am very glad I missed the latest round of That Conversation.

Honestly, it’s enough sometimes to make me wish for NWOslave back.

@supernova:

About the whole “wimmin never invented anything!” part; Hedy Lamarr invented wifi and bluetooth. Ada Lovelace is considered to be the worlds first computer programmer.

Eh, to be pedantic, Hedy Lamar and George Antheil invented “an early technique for spread spectrum communications and frequency hopping,[3] which paved the way for today’s wireless communications[4][5] and which, upon its invention in 1941, was deemed so vital to national defense that government officials would not allow publication of its details.[6]”

So yes, she helped invent something that proved essential for modern communications. No, she didn’t invent modern communications.

@Unimaginative

From my *extremely fuzzy* memories of elementary school history lessons, pre-european north americans didn’t have wheels.

That’s right, Native Americans didn’t have the wheel, whether North or South. For whatever reason, you can find a larger number of permanent structures south of the Rio Grande than north of it, but the lack of wheels didn’t seem to slow any of them down much.

katz
6 years ago

Well, the Aztecs had the wheel, but they only used it for toys. So they knew how it worked, they just didn’t find it very useful. The way I heard, the North Americans and Mesoamericans had no pack animals so there wasn’t much use for the wheel, and the Incas had the llama, but they lived in the mountains where wheeled vehicles would be dangerous and impractical.