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Do You Even Lift, B*tches? Men's Rightsers fight the injustice of hypothetical women-only weight room hours

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The latest outrageous assault on Men’s Rights? Well, according to more than a thousand upvoters* on Reddit, it’s this: some gym somewhere might be considering women only hours in its weight room to accommodate women who feel uncomfortable lifting amongst men.

A female MRA who goes by the name of stuck_at_starbucks came to the Men’s Rights subreddit with this tale of anti-male injustice from her local gym:

I was on the treadmill and saw two women start walking towards the weight room, then stop at the entrance and one if them said, “oh nooooo, we can’t go in there, there’s men!” They started complaining that it “wasn’t fair” that they “couldn’t use the weight room ” and took it to the front desk. The manager came out and told them that they were considering having girls only hours for the weight room.

Naturally, the Men’s Rightsers responded to this with the calm, reasoned comments for which they have become so famous. Ah, who am I kidding: they posted nearly 300 comments that ran the gamut from screechy outrage to, well, slightly-less screechy outrage.

Bilbuthehobbit won nearly two dozen upvotes by complaining that these “those bitches with 40 IQ should stop hitting the gym and hit the local library to get dem brain juices flowin.”

A number of commenters suggested that women-only hours would be the virtual equivalent of Jim Crow laws. Ghebert001 took it as a great opportunity to pull out the n-word:

ghebert001 9 points 1 day ago (13|4)  Essentially it boils down to "We can't use the weight room with those filthy niggers in there. We need a time that's only for whites".      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]carniemechanic 5 points 1 day ago (5|0)  You've captured the essence of it.

Others contemplated some kind of civil disobedience to fight this as-yet-nonexistent policy:

Aaron565 7 points 1 day ago (7|0)  Meh, I would just show up during women only hours. It would be great to watch their faces churn.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]cynwrig 4 points 18 hours ago (4|0)  Instead of a sit-in, you can call it a 'lift-in'.

Nightforker suggested that the complaining women were probably just lazy fatties anyway:

knightforker 35 points 1 day ago (48|13)  I imagine they were out of shape women who never work out anyways.  I'm personally too busy working out, and listening to music to even notice even the hottest girls walking around my gym - if you do then you need to up your game!

While Vaker extended a similar analysis to “most women.”

vaker 5 points 1 day ago (21|16)  I bet that women-only gyms are very profitable. Gyms want people to pay the fees but not show up and not use/wear/tear the equipment. Most women fit that profile perfectly.

Gosh, I wonder why some women might see themselves as unwelcome in male-dominated gyms?

But my favorite exchange in the whole thread was this one, in which BlueOak9 argued that what the complaining lady needed was some good old-fashioned forced labor:

blueoak9 14 points 1 day ago (14|0)  Drag her out to work on a road crew. She'll get all the anaerobic exercise she could ever need.      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]Happypants 21 points 1 day ago* (22|1)  And pretty much every guy will ignore the fact that she's a woman just like pretty much every guy in that weight room would have.  I worked in garages for years. The only women that ever got sexually harassed were the ones up front who used their tits to sell tires. The women who came into the shop, worked, and showed the were worth their weight got the same treatment any of the guys did (probably a little bit better... never saw one get smacked in the vag as she came around a corner).

Yep, that’s right, 21 upvotes for a comment suggesting that the only women who get sexually harassed in garages more or less deserve it because they “use their tits to sell tires.”

Remember: the Men’s Rights subreddit by and large represents the more moderate wing of the Men’s Rights movement. This is what moderate MRAs look like.

* The post in question, last I checked, had gotten 1130 upvotes and 305 downvotes for a net 825 upvotes.

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Andrea Harris (@SpinsterAndCat)

“[Women] use their tits to sell tires.” Yeah, I’m pretty sure that it was the 50-ish (as I am) woman cashier’s boobs that made me decide to get my tires done at Walmart. Then again I’m not a man, maybe there are those of you Male-Americans who buy tires based on whether the tire store has attractively-breasted ladies working there or not instead of, you know, needing new tires on their vehicle.

“We need new tires on the truck.”

“Nawp. Holdin’ out until the Goodyear shop hires a girl with good titties. I’m not buyin’ no tires from some guy, they’ll think I’m a queer!”

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

blueoak9 said “anaerobic exercise.” The word he’s looking for is “aerobic.” “Anaerobic” means “without air/oxygen.” Someone doing “anaerobic exercise” would pass out for lack of oxygen.

It’s really fun how the Misters have pretty much proved the need for “women’s only” hours in the weight room by arguing against it with misogyny, sexual objectification of women and suggesting women are lazy and should be subjected to forced labor. Gee, I wonder why women would be uncomfortable working out around men?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Oh noes, sisterly cameraderie in the weight room! No dudes to snark at and molest ladies who are only looking to improve their muscle mass! The horror! The HORROR!

Say, wasn’t this what George Sodini went postal about? He shot up a women-only fitness centre, as I recall.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

*camaraderie. See, I can spell.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

It’s OK to sexually harass a woman if you notice her boobs!

This dumbass attitude is probably why I’ve gotten harassed more than friends who are prettier than me. I have big boobs and pretty much have cleavage in any shirt. Assholes like this think I grew them on purpose.

J.J
J.J
6 years ago

Oh, yeah, I saw this. I really doubt that story actually happened.
And even if it did, I often find that guys dominate the weights and the weight machines in the gym. Then I get looks for trying to use the machines like ‘How dare this woman be in our territory and touch the weights, go back to cardio land!’

Or you get the ‘HEY YOU HAVE TITTIES I WILL STARE AT YOU WHILE YOU ARE TRYING TO TONE.’ weirwoodtreehugger, I get that and I’m about a D cup except for sports bras, so you must get it worse. Maybe this is why we want to go work out without random guys staring. There are men only gyms too, aren’t there? What’s the difference?

leftwingfox
6 years ago

Sparky: Actually, Anaerobic is correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_exercise

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

I have been accused, and have seen other girls and women accused, of using my sexuality to sell unrelated things (books, food) at work. The implication that was made, as in Happypants’* comment, was that I was ultimately responsible for any sexual harassment I received, since women who are visibly sexual in some contexts lose the right to have boundaries or to be respected.

First of all, that implication is bullshit. Even if I was, at 16, using the idea of sex to lure unwitting adult men into buying The Game or some shit it does not mean that they are allowed to creep on me or touch me with impunity. People who do sex work or who use sex in their work do not relinquish control of their bodies of their ability to consent as a result.

Second of all, half the time “using my sexuality” means “being visibly female” or “being attractive to the man who is making the accusation” or “wearing a uniform that your employer requires you to wear.”

*who picks out a ‘nym like this?

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

And by “half the time,” I mean “every time I’ve ever seen or been a part of.”

cloudiah
6 years ago

Not only do I use my tits to sell tires, I use them to harvest kale, to repair wicker furniture, to shoe horses, to start (and put out) fires, to analyze reams of geospatial data, to curate museums and archives, and to churn butter.

In fact, I’m typing with them right now.

My tits are incredibly talented, and if they ever do try to sell you a set of tires, you’d best listen to them. My tits know their tires.

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

Clean your floors, wash your hair! Get rid of that pesky cough! Are you shy, anxious, unlucky in love? My tits can help with all of these things and more!

Lids
6 years ago

Ugh, I know what you mean about guys just assuming because you have big boobs you are trying to get their attention or something. I’m a 36FF and I’ve been miserable since I woke up in 7th grade with a C cup and they just kept getting bigger. Every shirt I ear gives me cleavage. People think I’m a slut for wearing the same shirt as someone with a B cup, like it’s my bigger boobs make the same cut somehow slutty.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

leftwingfox: Aah, I see. I have learned something new today. Today is a good day. 🙂

And how do folks get your tits to do all those awesome things? Mine just sit there on my chest, like they were just some part of my anatomy or something.

bluecat
bluecat
6 years ago

Cloudiah – absolute top comment!

Possibly ever.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

I’m sure the women in Happypants’ shop who “showed they were worth their weight” didn’t have to work twice as hard as the men to demonstrate that fact, nosiree.

catgirl
catgirl
6 years ago

Its not anaerobic exercise….it’s aerobic exercise. Humans aren’t anaerobes.

These guys are stupid. That’s probably why they have these opinions about women. They should hit a library and get dem brain juices flowing LOLZ.

Lili Fugit
Lili Fugit
6 years ago

So I gather female MRAs are just as likely to make up shitty, unrealistic stories as male MRAs, then? Is that because of equality, or is it something to do with being an MRA that requires you to lie at all times: to yourself, about yourself, to others, about others. Could it be the philosophical underpinnings (and I use that term VEDDY loosely) of MRAness is so fundamentally dishonest that lying becomes part and parcel of every MRA discussion ever?

Also, in other news, my tits cannot harvest kale. But this is just as well, since I’m none too fond of the stuff. However I have sold men all kinds of things with my tits, which allowed me to buy chocolate, puppy vaccinations, and, ironically, new tires for my car. From a guy with unimpressive tits, since I don’t think with my wang.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

I went to the store to buy gum, but then mammary tissue clouded my mind and I came home with a set of all-season whitewalls.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago

The gym I go to has a women’s room, which is very useful. I have very large breasts, and I hate doing things like weight lifting/running around guys.

kittehserf
6 years ago

In the brief time I went to a gym, it was a women’s only one. I wouldn’t have gone to a mixed venue unless they had a women’s-only time.

oraclenine
6 years ago

Lids, seriously, I feel your pain. Mostly in my upper back and shoulders.

I once got told off at work for filling out my uniform. I was 16 and I wasn’t the person who picked out the damn thing.

I completely get why some women prefer not to lift when there are dudes in the weights room. Back before my shoulder went wonky I only lifted if I was with someone else because guys grunting over their lifts while staring at my chest got old really fast.

There was also an ongoing issue at one gym for me because the guys thought it was hysterically funny to leave the weights on the machines if there were women working out. One jerk thought the best joke ever was to do his reps, get up, add more weights and walk off. Ugh.

I got bored with asking politely and just stopped re-setting any machine I used back to neutral. I’m five feet tall. Most of them couldn’t get onto a machine set for me without doing themselves an injury. One of them growled at me about it. I did my best stone face and replied I’d just been falling in line with the rest of the patrons. No one else was re-setting so I’d stopped.

That more or less solved it. There was one guy who never wiped the machines after he used them, but I didn’t have to talk to him. One of the other guys told him it was gross and that no one wanted to sit in his sweat.

Adam
Adam
6 years ago

For the record, all the women I’ve ever worked with got harassed constantly, both by our boss and our customers. Given that I worked at a hardware store, I have a hard time imagining this somehow doesn’t apply at a garage. On the other hand, I actually, like, listened to their complaints and took them seriously, so maybe I’m just crazy.

AK
AK
6 years ago

I love it when men talk about how they ignore women at the gym because they’re so busy working out. I mean, I’m sure that is true for many of them. But given that virtually every guy I’ve seen online claims it, I’m somewhat skeptical that they all do. And I say that because I’m a woman who has done strength training in gyms and was creeped on extensively to the point that I eventually retreated to the women’s-only hours even though I would have rather not done so. They were inconvenient for me time-wise and there were only a handful of women there, limiting opportunities for learning and finding workout buddies. But I had so many extremely uncomfortable experiences working out with a bunch of guys (and it wasn’t all of them, for sure! but enough…) that I found the trade-off was worth it.

I don’t like working out in women-only gyms or during women-only hours. But I like being sexually harassed even less.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

The only thing my bazongas seem to be able to do is keep right on growing, even after the age of 40. And while I love them and wouldn’t trade them for anything, they also have a huge talent for embarrassing the shit out of me by landing in my food a lot, by entering rooms ahead of the rest of me, by making clothes-buying difficult, and by acting as some kind of weird dude-eye magnet (which they did even when they were nowhere near the size they are now). If not for my equally big ol’ hips and butt, I’d be mistaken for the prow of a ship. Fitted clothes are out of the question; aside from being unable to find any that I could afford, I’d cause traffic jams if I ever wore them. I habitually wear loose fitting jackets zipped up to the neck even on the hottest days of summer because I don’t want to be gawped at like I’m some kind of porn star when all I’m doing is leaning on the handlebars of my bike, trying to get from Point A to Point B. And because I don’t want to be accused by some asinine random dude of “using them” to get Goddess-knows-what-all out of hapless, boob-addicted men. So far, I’ve managed to refrain from saying “Hey bud, my eyes are up here,” but damn, I’ve come close on a number of occasions. And shorter men are now out of the question, because I might accidentally lose one in my cleavage, and I’d never live that down.

kittehserf
6 years ago

And shorter men are now out of the question, because I might accidentally lose one in my cleavage, and I’d never live that down.

Well, they could be useful that way. “Hey, while you’re down there, could you look for my car keys? I can’t find them.”

Sarah
6 years ago

Bina, sister, I feel your pain XD

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Maybe the men could be provided with a trail of Reese’s Pieces to help find their way out again, like ET.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Or a plait of hair, like Rapunzel.

Octo
Octo
6 years ago

Well, I suppose, by the technical definition of the word, such women-only hours would be a form of segregation. You’d have to ignore the entire context, of, well, *everything* to make a point out of it, though. This would require a very simple-minded approach unconcerned with facts which do not… oh, right, MRAs.

The thing is, how many men are *seriously* demanding stuff like men-only hours? I mean, seriously, not just as a talking point. There might well be a need for male safe spaces, but it doesn’t exactly seem very widespread. That’s why there are so many female safe spaces and times and rarely any male ones: Because there is an actual demand for the former.

So, yes, as usual, just a silly MRA talking point again to show how evil “misandrist” the world is.

kittehserf
6 years ago

This would require a very simple-minded approach unconcerned with facts which do not… oh, right, MRAs.

::snortle::

::snicker::

Felisha
Felisha
6 years ago

Part of the reason for the rare-to-find woman’s only gym is because women get tired of being hit on by creepers. And it’s uncomfortable going back repeatedly to find that same guy there day in and day out, especially when she knows he’s upset with her for turning him down.

Anti-fems don’t understand this. And I find it more annoying when female anti-fems can’t even grasp it.

That’s not to say it’s never a case of misandry. I often notice it’s just a ‘distrust of men’ or a bit of androphobia. Anti-fems have trouble noticing the difference.

I remember a very attractive woman who clearly had her wedding ring displayed and still guys were coming onto her. They thought the ring was just some perv-deterrent. Turns out she actually came in with her husband one day — a big guy — and that put an end to the unwanted advances as far as I knew.

AL3H
AL3H
6 years ago

@AK

Woot!!!!! Strength training is fun! 🙂 Also, I like having proper muscles as I could e.g. lift my big duffel bag onto the rack on the train when I went on holiday.

I had problems as my two gym buddies left the country in quick succession, so I couldn’t do bench pressing as I had no spotter. Also, I am at a tech uni, so more often than not I am the only woman in the gym, and if not, the only one in the weights section. There have been a number of incidents where people were obviously staring at certain bits of me (and in one case it was my buddy that caught them … so I don’t know who they are), so I really didn’t feel particularly comfortable asking a guy I didn’t know for help with spotting. Anyway, I eventually found these stands that could be used to put the weights bar on (in the case I couldn’t lift it) … but it took two months to work this out. The end of the story: WooHoo … benchpressing for me!!!

Now to figure out how to deadlift. The problem is that I can’t even pick up an empty bar as 1) my back muscles are really weak and 2) an empty bar is too close to the ground.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Felisha, misandry isn’t actually a thing, and distrust of men usually has a damn good cause. Hell, our whole society reminds us that we need to distrust men, at the same time as blaming us when we do – not least if we are proven right in our distrust.

I like this description – “They thought the ring was just some perv-deterrent. ” Yep, it was, but they didn’t grasp that they were the perves in question.

Are women’s-only gyms rare in the US? I can think of three franchises here off the top of my head – Fernwood, Curves and Contours – and I don’t suppose they’re Australian chains. Sort of surprising, given our much smaller population, if we’re better catered for.

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

IME there would be no need for a women only time in thew weight room because, like Kitteh said, there are plenty of women only gyms and most guys are capable of being decent people. So if there really are women at that gym wanting a woman only time then there are probably some specific guys there causing a problem.

I wonder if these complaining MRAs would complain more or less if a few guys were banned from the gym rather than calling for a woman specific time in the weight room.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Kim – hard to tell which would have them whining more. Being prevented in any way from harassing women = MISANDRY and denial of male sexuality and blahblahblahblah.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Now to figure out how to deadlift. The problem is that I can’t even pick up an empty bar as 1) my back muscles are really weak and 2) an empty bar is too close to the ground.

Hi.

About two years ago, I decided I’d try to do that “get into shape thing” everyone was talking about, and got myself a gym membership.
Initially, I was unable to perform a single anything with any weight, because I mostly consists of hot air, trace amounts of caffiene and a dogged determination not to sleep.
A few days ago, I finished my first of 10 X 100 kg deadlift.

The bending down and getting the bar is, yeah, the worst part.

I’d recommend starting with something else entirely, and forgetting about the deadlift for a while. I did a progressive amount of bridges (This WikiHow seems to be useful: http://www.wikihow.com/Perform-the-Bridge-Exercise), that went from very little off the floor to a full bridge.

That helped a lot with the flexibility and general back strength.

If your gym has kettlebells, you can work on performing a kettlebell swing. Very low weight (Personally I started with…. 4kg, according to my old notes). It’s the same general movement, but requires less bending, initially – plus the chances of doing them poorly or destroying your spine is much, much less. Then you can work up to gradually increasing higher weights, which can then translate to deadlifting at some point if you want (Hell, get to >20 in kb weight and you can just do that amount in deadlifts)

Also, I think the basic bar in most gyms is between 11 and 20 kg. So maybe start with, like, a stick. I did!

Also-also, I found you could leverage the bar off the ground by putting weights under bar at the points were the weights on the bar touch the ground. A few extra cm’s does a lot, and if you perform the full exercise anyway, you don’t noticably lessen the impact because of the raised position. If you need to raise it higher, just add more weights.

(That does assume you are using free weights and that they’re those big round blocks that can actively support the bar, though)
———-

My city has a fair amount of women only gyms, and also a fair amount of gyms in general. That and pizza shops.

I don’t think either is odd.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Erh, sorry if that was massively inappropriate? I don’ think anyone was actually asking for advice, but it was like: “Hey! This thing is a thing I have had troubles with, and I know how to make less trouble! At least stuff that worked for me!”

kittehserf
6 years ago

My city has a fair amount of women only gyms, and also a fair amount of gyms in general. That and pizza shops.

I looked at that and had brain fart: “Why women-only pizza shops?”

: P

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
6 years ago

I would bet money that stuck_at_starbucks witnessed something more like this:

Woman 1: “Uh, the weight room looks pretty full right now. All men.”

Woman 2: “Oh. …I’m not sure I’m comfortable going in there right now.”

Woman 1: “Yeah, me neither. Maybe we should try to come back another time.”

Woman 2: “Bummer. I was actually excited about working on my lifts today.”

Woman 1: “Aw, I know. Hey, let’s ask the front desk if there’s a good time when the weight room tends to be less crowded.”

Manager: “Funny you should ask; we’ve just been considering reserving some women-only time slots for our weight room. Is that something you might be interested in?”

Women 1&2: “Actually, that would be great. We’d attend.”

Because as much as I know that awful, judgey people can come in any gender, I’ve gone to gyms for years, and have never heard the grown women there say, “Ewwwwwww, boy cooties, so unfaaaaair”.

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

and have never heard the grown women there say, “Ewwwwwww, boy cooties, so unfaaaaair”.

I haven’t thought boy cooties, but I’ve definitely thought “eww, a grunter”. Or “eww, a sweaty non-wiping down the bench guy” or “ewww, a lift weights too heavy for him and then drop them loudly on the ground guy”, all of whom I’d rather not be anywhere near.

Erh, sorry if that was massively inappropriate?

Your opening paragraph made it well worth it, for me anyway. Do you have a blog Fibi? I could definitely handle reading more of your words.

Octo
Octo
6 years ago

Felisha, misandry isn’t actually a thing, and distrust of men usually has a damn good cause. Hell, our whole society reminds us that we need to distrust men, at the same time as blaming us when we do – not least if we are proven right in our distrust.

Misandry can be a thing on the personal level. Not so much on the social or institutional level, of course. And androphobia is not *always* justified. That being said… justifications don’t really matter. If there is a need for “safe spaces” of sorts, like women only gyms, those should exist. Plus, yeah, it doesn’t exactly take much imagination to believe that gyms are one of those places where women get hit on especially often, whether they like it or not. Men just (usually…) don’t have to deal with those problems.

I *would* most likely complain if there were women-only pizza shops, though :p

Fibinachi
6 years ago

I do and I have had one for years and years (7, by my reckoning).

And in all that time I have moved platforms a lot and made, oh, 4 posts or so.

http://fibinaut.wordpress.com/

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

That’s not to say it’s never a case of misandry. I often notice it’s just a ‘distrust of men’ or a bit of androphobia.

Like Kitteh said, that mistrust is usually earned. I’m calling bullshit on misandry.

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

Huh. I’m almost surprised–the most common ‘controversy’ I’ve encountered re: women-only times at gyms has been in cases where Muslim women were making the request for religious reasons–and given the number of MRAtheists out there, I would’ve thought a thread like that would’ve been rife with the usual blend of idiocy and racism that goes with Islamophobia.

AL3H
AL3H
6 years ago

@Fibinachi

I was complaining, however, I don’t think your response was inappropriate. I started going to the gym six months ago, and what little I know, I learned from my two gym buddies (since left). As I am working overseas, don’t speak the language well enough to take classes, and I was complaining as I would actually like to be able to deadlift, and can’t, so you were helpful. 😀

By the way, if I did think it were inappropriate, I would have a go at explaining what I wanted to say in a clearer way, so even in that case I don’t see there being a problem.

Also, I agree that your opening description was very very excellent. 🙂

As for suggestions, bridges look very doable. I shall try when I get home. The thing I am most worried about is my back … and these look safe. Also, while deadlifting looks like fun, to tell the truth, my posture isn’t excellent, so deadlifting aside, any increase in back/core muscle strength would be a very welcome added bonus.

Also, I think the basic bar in most gyms is between 11 and 20 kg. So maybe start with, like, a stick. I did!

The bars I know about are 20kg. Fortunately for me, when I started I could bench press 20kg, but for deadlifting I was like: “GGGGNNNNNNNNN!!!!! … nope”.

If your gym has kettlebells, you can work on performing a kettlebell swing.

I googled “kettlebell” and “kettlebell swing”, and they look doable. We may not have kettlebells (if we do they are on the other side of the storeroom with the shelves and I haven’t had a look there) … but according to the internet, you can do a kettlebell swing with dumbbells … which we definitely have. I think I will start with that. This way has the added advantage that I can move to progressively heavier dumbbells as I improve, as opposed to just making muted “GGGGGGNNNNNNN!!!!” noises and feeling silly.

Also, I found you could leverage the bar off the ground by putting weights under bar at the points were the weights on the bar touch the ground.

I like this. The weights for the bars are individual and could definitely be used to make a small stand. I will keep this idea in mind, as maybe I can’t do it yet, but proper deadlifts with a bar do look fun.

Sounds like a plan! Deadlifting here I come … 😀

Thanks!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

The gym I go to has a mirrored room with mats set aside for yoga, stretching, light dumbbells, exercise balls, etc. It’s nominally designated for women, but nobody ever polices that. Occasionally you see a guy in there using the exercise bikes or doing downward facing dog alongside his girlfriend, but I never see anyone running to the front desk pointing and screaming “Uncleeeeeean!” It’s not a menstrual tent.

Some people just want a quieter, more private atmosphere to work out in, and/or they’re beginners and intimidated by pounding music, sweat, loud grunts, and barbells clanging on the floor, and/or they don’t want to work out among a bunch of condescending tools like the commenters above. Smart gyms recognize that need and provide different workout experiences to accommodate their patrons. They’re not trying to be discriminatory.

tealily
tealily
6 years ago

I’m willing to bet that feMRA’s version was highly distorted. I know women that won’t join a gym because they don’t want to be ogled by men/workout with men, but that scenario is just bullshit.

I recently changed gyms because most of the guys went in groups and monopolized the weight area doing their circuit training, thought they were too good to wipe down equipment they used, and would stand in front of you to pose/ admire their muscles in the mirrored wall. One male trainer was constantly trying to push women off of equipment or out of the small free floor area for his male clients. It didn’t help that it was mostly young guys running the place.

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

I can’t help the feeling that if gym admins and not-creepy guys did not ignore or tolerate creeps, there wouldn’t be such a demand for women-only hours.

Is it so hard to enforce a “don’t be an asshole” policy in gyms?

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

Also, I bet if anyone set up a “woman friendly” gym, in which guys are allowed to work out but not to disrespect women, MRAs would still be crying “misandry!”

trans_commie
6 years ago

[Content note: sexual harassment]

I think it’s quite reasonable to not want to go to the gym when there are men around. It’s no stretch to say that a sizable percentage of men in gyms are the kind of creeps who stare down at women in the gym.

Women’s safety and boundaries are more important than the feelings of a man who is annoyed at those women because “not all men are bad.” Of course many men are decent enough to not harass women in the gym. But regardless, he should instead focus on calling out the men who harass women at the gym. If he really isn’t like those other men, then he should prove himself by not being silent when he sees a man in the gym comment on a woman’s breasts when she is running on a treadmill. Because, given the prevalence of harassment from men in gyms, it isn’t unreasonable at all for women to distrust them.