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MGTOWer complains: By 18, women are "either dating 30 year old millionaires or (if less attractive) f***ing the football team."

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Every Man Going His Own Way’s favorite fantasy

In case anyone was wondering, the Men Going Their Own Way movement has managed to survive the implosion of MGTOWforums.com that I wrote about a little while ago. Yep, the regulars from there have moved on to several new forums where they continue to celebrate their independence from the women of the world by happily discussing such manly hobbies as video games, model trains, taxidermy and knitting.

Oh, who am I kidding? They don’t talk about any of that stuff. Basically they continue to nurse their grudges against the women who wouldn’t date them in high school, somehow convincing themselves that the best way to be “free” of women is to obsess about them every minute of every day.

Take the charming fella who calls himself ManWithAPlan, who has managed to win himself nearly 1900 “likes” from his comrades on the MGTOW HQ message boards with comments like the following:

I hate [women] because most of them acted like stuck up cunts when they were young and hot. Then they hit 30+ and decide to settle down, and when there are no men to settle down, they start shaming men. This is where most of my hate/negativity comes from, the fact that these women feel entitled to “good” men after having spent the last 15-20 years telling guys “just because you bought me a drink/dinner doesn’t mean I owe you sex”.

And every woman acts this way. Oh you want to slut it up? Sure go ahead and be a cum rag, but I would never date a cum rag. And how would they react to that? “Oh well that’s your preference and you’re entitled to it”. Yeah right, they’d flip their shit and go into shaming language ahoy.

The reason I derive so much pleasure from this is because for the first time in their lives women are being held accountable for their actions. And they don’t fucking like it. Remember when some girl/woman got you in trouble for just crying while you weren’t in the wrong? This is fucking payback.

(Emphasis mine.)

This may sound a little harsh, but you need to remember that for most young women, life is just an endless VIP party:

Women are born with their so called value. By 15 or whatever they have the looks and power to attract most men. By 18, depending on how attractive they are, they’re either dating 30 year old millionaires or (if less attractive) fucking the football team. And they retain this value until at some point into their 30’s, sometimes 40’s. Men get nothing. We are born invisible. We have to claw, work and suffer for 2-3 decades before we get any recognition. And by that point, we no longer have the energy or fast metabolism we had in our youth. So that means double time for us.

Women are handed the world on a silver platter, men have to fight for it.

Is the MGTOW movement the least successful “independence” movement ever? They’re like someone who breaks up with you, angrily marches out the front door, slams it behind them — and then spends the next five years on your front porch peering in the window.

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leftwingfox
7 years ago

Except for all the music, movies, TV shows, advertisements, magazines, comics, and video games that target the 18-34 male demographic…

I was about to say “Well, maybe 90%”, but then I remembered that the 18-34 male demographic stole “My Little Pony”, so… yeah. All.

Lynn
Lynn
7 years ago

Lurker here…

One thing that I just don’t understand (one thing?).

What do they think women DO all day? They always complain about women wanting money and support – like we don’t work?

They complain about their taxes supporting women – what? Women don’t pay taxes?

What is this world they live in?

Luzbelitx
7 years ago

I was about to say “Well, maybe 90%”, but then I remembered that the 18-34 male demographic stole “My Little Pony”, so… yeah. All.

But then, feminists developed that Tool of All Evil called the Bedchel Test, to make sure they opress men by… well… making more interesting women appear on screen and talk among themselves at all!

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
7 years ago

My cousin plays college football, so… that’s a huge turn-off. And I like my cousin and think he’s a nice guy. But cousin…

I also went to a college where there were no football players. Who was I supposed to screw, the cross-country ski team? If it was coed, do I have do screw the women too?

You know, I might have been up for that if I’d managed to have a social life.

(BRB, fantasizing about cross-country skiers.)

trans_commie
7 years ago

We are born invisible.

Of course men are born invisible. Men don’t have a gender, but women do. That’s how male privilege works.

leatapp
leatapp
7 years ago

Wait, he’s complaining that hot ladies don’t lift their skirts for drinks, but then calls women who are sexually active, on their own terms and clearly not with him, cumrags?
What is this strange fixation misogynists have with their bodily fluids and how dirty and gross they think semen is?

I cannot wrap my head around how they think that men’s bodies are so foul and their jizz is so gross that touching the male body and coming in contact with jizz ruins a woman forever. Do they think it doesn’t wash off? Do they think women’s bodies are that much better than theirs that our cum leaves no mark of shame of our lovers, but thier lovers are tainted eternally? Is that homophobia taken to such a bizarre extreme that men have to hate their own bodies lest they be a little gay for themselves? Also, have they never heard of condoms? Do they really have old tatty rags designated for cum clean-up? Is that some sort of self-punishment, like wearing a hair shirt? Why can’t they get some nice fluffy wash cloths and towels and clean themselves up with scented soap? Is that misandry? When they wank, do they use gloves and avert their eyes or do they consider themselves so unclean that it’s a lost cause? So bizarre.

This dudebro’s whole whine is that ladies won’t fall all over themselves to touch his knob, so he hates them. (Sure, dude. I’m sure it wasn’t the hate that led to your lack of popularity with women.) Why he thinks anyone should want to jump on his dick like a duck on a June Bug, I don’t know. Drinks and dinner really are not payment for sexual services. If he’d like to buy some sex directly, there are professionals he can see. But he’s sure women are getting more sex and having more fun than he is and that makes him so angry. He’s another entitled, petty, bigoted jackass. The act that he thinks ruins women, is the very act that he’s bitterly jealous that he cannot participate in. Those are some sour grapes he sees women eating.

What a sorry sack of douche.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

I’m so sick of the hypocrisy coming from misogynists. We’re wrong for not sleeping with them if they buy us dinner, but we’re wrong for sleeping around. It’s not just MRAs that are like that either – if it was, we could just point and laugh. I found out yesterday that a friend who I’ve hooked up with thinks it’s fine for him to sleep around but “women have a precious gift they shouldn’t give away.”

We have to fuck them if they’re at all nice to us, but obviously we’re not allowed to have fucked any other guys first! It reminds me of a hilarious scene from Daria. I tried really hard to find the clip and couldn’t, but I can paraphrase from memory.

Jane drags Daria to a high school party full of popular kids. These two cheesy guys come up to them and start hitting on them.
Cheesy guy: “Where have you been all our lives?”
Daria: “Right here in this room. We were born here. We spent our lives here. We thought we’d die here alone. But now you’re here and our lives can truly begin.”

Of course Daria was being sarcastic. But this reflects really accurately what the ideal woman is for a MGTOW.

Even though I couldn’t find the clip, here is a collection of Daria quotes. If anyone isn’t familiar, you should watch it. Daria would be a great Manboobz commenter!

leatapp
leatapp
7 years ago

In HS I didn’t date jocks or men in their 30’s. I dated a sweet and funny body builder on the chess team, a quiet, outdoorsy cellist who was into AV, then a hunky theater nerd with an amazing sense of humor and finally, the man who would be Hubby. They were all groovy people. I’m lucky to have had such lovely young men in my life.

tealily
tealily
7 years ago

I love Daria! Sarcasm at it’s finest.

Lynn
Lynn
7 years ago

I also dated some awesome guys. Each one different. Three of them I’m still in touch with occasionally- they’ve long since gotten married and had kids, like me. I wish them well.

The fourth I haven’t kept in touch with, but I hope he’s doing well also.

Oh, I did date one sexist guy. After a few internal alarm bells went off, I dumped him.

Wonder if he’s a MGTOW now?

katz
7 years ago

So millionaires: Let’s do a Fermi estimation. According to the Wiki, there are 9.5 million of them.

If we assume that, say, 90% of them are men and 25% of them are in a desireable age bracket (and I’m probably highballing the latter figure quite a bit, since millionaire ages skew high), that’s around 2 million youngish male millionaires.

They did say that only the more attractive women got to date the millionaires, so let’s say the top 10%. That’s 350 million women. So each millionaire would have to date around 175 women.

If you say that only the top 1% of women get to date millionaires, that brings it down to a more manageable 18 women per millionaire. But a) by the time you’re only talking about 1 out of 100 women, you’re not really talking about “what women are doing” anymore, and b) it still assumes that each attractive woman only dates one millionaire; if the hot women are “sleeping around,” presumably they’d have to date maybe three millionaires each at a bare minimum, bringing the total up to 54 women per millionaire.

I don’t know how to estimate how many football players are in the world.

bodycrimes
7 years ago

The solution to the sex drought seems obvious to me – these guys need to make sure they’re millionaires by 30 and then they can have all the teenagers they want!

leftwingfox
7 years ago

Of course men are born invisible. Men don’t have a gender, but women do. That’s how male privilege works.

One of my favourite lines out of the graphic novel “Incognegro” is Zane musing on race as he prepares to pass for white to investigate a murder in the South:

“That’s what white folks never get. They don’t think they have accents. They don’t think they eat ethnic foods. Their music is classical. They think they’re just normal. That they are the universal and that everyone else is an odd deviation from form.”

The same could be said for straight, cis, male, or Christian (at least in the same nations where “white” is default.)

toujoursgai
7 years ago

@ Kim:

They think movies and TV are real.

Exactly. MGTOW: What happens when you learn literally everything you know about women from sitcom stereotypes.

emma
emma
7 years ago

“Remember when some girl/woman got you in trouble for just crying while you weren’t in the wrong?”

Ouch. There is a story to be told, or a confession rather, right there. Cuz, you know, girls / women constantly get you, Nice Guys, in trouble for just crying while you are not in the wrong (cuz of course you never are).

trans_commie
7 years ago

OT, but this is the most horrific r/MR thread I have ever stumbled upon: http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/2275j2/trigger_warning_have_you_all_seen_this_thread/

Let’s just say I should have paid attention to the trigger warning. It’s so upsetting.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

@ leatapp

I have seen some rather odd statements about how undesirable male bodies are from those kinds of guys. and also complaints about male bodies being culturally framed as undesirable. Neither of which is actually true, but what’s funny is that they’re almost edging towards noticing the cultural role of women as the sex class, but then deciding that being shoved into that role is a privilege, which is absurd. There does seem to be some weird and interesting interaction between not feeling physically desirable themselves and fetishization of the male bodies that they’ve noticed are sometimes desired in their culture (ie. the big muscly ones), and I have sometimes wondered if there’s some sort of repressed homoerotic element going on there that they’d be a lot happier if they came to terms with.

ceebarks
ceebarks
7 years ago

I’m cheered by the above dude’s recognition that dudely good looks, like feeeeeemale good looks, tend to fade with age, especially for people who don’t have a ton of money or energy to spend fighting balding, slowing metabolisms, wrinkles, greys, outdated wardrobes, etc. It gets on my nerves how many of these guys will condescendingly warn young women of “the wall” while blithely assuming they themselves will be objectively hotter at 50 than at 25. Because: George Clooney! Do they ever look around at the Sunday buffet line? lol

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

BTW random but Kittehs, I just had a bottled iced coffee that I think may be similar to what you’re used to (ie. not the kind that you got in LA before and didn’t like). Let me know if you want brand, variety, etc.

Robert
Robert
7 years ago

Cassandra – that does make sense. It reminds me of a song from the musical “No Strings”, in which a man sings about ‘what does a woman see in a man’, since women are loveliness, beauty and grace made flesh, whereas men are ugly, predatory brutes. It’s remarkably effed up. If you really believe, deep down, that your body is unattractive due to your natural gender attributes, it probably makes it hard to perceive yourself as desirable to the people to whom you’re attracted. And when that’s the case, you probably won’t be.

“Pretty women out walkin’ with gorillas down my street. . .”

Xen
Xen
7 years ago

Guess I don’t exist then. Never had sexual contact with anyone. BOOM.

These guys, I swear…

contrapangloss
7 years ago

So, I volunteer at a high school as an assistant coach and rereading that ‘by 15 or so’ is really starting to squick me out.

I’m not very maternal/paternal/parental/whatervertal, at all. I’m only in my 20’s.

Still, this guy needs to stay the hell away from my kids. 15 is the sophomores, and a couple freshman, and juniors. The boys and girls are mostly goofy, awkward, and still trying to sort out life.

They’re great kids.

Hilarious, clever, occasionally young fools, but amazing kids.

The idea that these slimeballs think that’s when the girls start being optimally sexy to adult men is hella disturbing.

Yeah, I know high-school kiddos aren’t perfect little angels. Yeah, they experiment with adult things, some to a way greater extent than others. But, they should NOT be forced into a any of those more adult roles by these jerks!

It’s okay to think kids your own age are hot, when you’re a kid. Never growing out of it, though, is so damned creepy that I lack further words.

trans_commie
7 years ago

But wait, I’m a virgin, I’ve never had sexual contact with anyone, and I’m a trans girl i.e. a “guy”. What does that make me? A being from another dimension?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

@ Robert

It takes some serious narcissism not to notice that not everyone likes/dislikes the things that you like/dislike on a sexual level, but hey, nobody ever claimed that angry misogynists were reasonable people.

Alice
Alice
7 years ago

These MRAs seem to think that every single woman on earth looks like a Victoria’s Secret model, and can get whatever she wants from a man with the snap of her fingers. Just forget that only .05% or less of the women of the world fit this description. So MRAs must only “see” .05% of the women on the planet. Who is the invisible gender now?

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Trans_commie,
My favorite quote:

This thread has me questioning all the female friends who have told me their “rape story”. A surprising number have one, but I’ve never once had one tell me about pressing charges. Why not? Not even once?

I guess a feminist would say “it’s because the court system is like, totally biased against women.” “They make you like, prove that somebody raped you, with like evidence and stuff, before they send him to jail for decades.” “Sisters unite! Fight the power!”

Isn’t it great how he had to give the straw feminist’s lines words such as; “likes,” “totally” and “stuff” in order to make her look like an inarticulate bimbo?

Does this guy really have female friends? I wonder if they know he secretly hates them.

leatapp
leatapp
7 years ago

cassandrakitty,

Could be. I wonder if this is part of why homophobic men (Most misogynists are also bigots of other sorts too.) may watch lipstick lesbian type porn or be in a threesome with 2 women and be turned on but be repulsed by the very idea of gay men having sex.

Do you get to that mental place by thinking women are the sex class, yet pure until touched by a filthy man and men are gross, and no decent people should want to fuck them?

Is that how they end up associating sex with degradation? Is that why they think gay sex is scary and icky?

That kind of self-loathing combined with the belief that they are owed sex, but enjoying sex with a man (or worse, men) makes a woman dirty can lead some pretty dark places.

I guess if you think of yourself (or other men) as inherently sexually disgusting, then the only people beneath you (and people like you) are the ones who desire you. There’s that “I wouldn’t be a member of a club that would have me” mentality we see so often.

That would explain why we see so many misogynists insulting women (especially feminists) by calling them lesbians, but usually implying that means they are butch and assertive or “too much like men”. Ultimately, their insults all lead back to …wait for it…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. http://media.tumblr.com/621041a1ff1fee8c70d23e4597bdbbfb/tumblr_inline_mkdtf9gFQ41qz4rgp.png

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I think there’s also an element of self-protective, willful delusion with some of these guys. If they were to admit that most women are physically (and emotionally) attracted to men, then what would that mean in terms of women not wanting to be with them? That thought stings too much, so let’s just pretend that as a rule women aren’t actually attracted to men on a physical (or emotional) level, only money or fame, and of course it’s not the dude’s fault that he doesn’t have those things. Life is so much easier when you can displace all uncomfortable emotions onto other people.

dlouwe
dlouwe
7 years ago

What is this strange fixation misogynists have with their bodily fluids and how dirty and gross they think semen is?

If you start from the assumption that these men think that sex should be degrading for women as a matter of course, it makes a disgusting kind of sense for them to see the things that they do to women during sex (and even themselves) as inherently “dirty”. With that in mind, it also makes sense how vehemently they oppose healthy attitudes to sex, since it exposes how unhealthy their sexuality often is.

leatapp
leatapp
7 years ago

Trans commie,

I think we can make up our own rules for you, since the patriarchy pretends you don’t exist.

I say we declare you to be now and forever perfect and wonderful and that nothing and no one can ever change that.

Meanwhile, every time I see “another dimension” I hear:

jayne
jayne
7 years ago

I was eighteen not that long ago, and I’ve never even met a millionaire or a football player. One of my friends went on a date with a rugby player once, but that’s about it. Am I doing something wrong? Maybe my silver platter full of football-playing millionaires got lost in the mail.

leatapp
leatapp
7 years ago

cassandrakitty,

There’s that. Then to protect themselves further, they decide to believe that if they see a man who is not wealthy or famous having positive relationships with women, that man must be a mangina / beta / white knight. That way the flaw is always outside of the misogynist himself. It is to him, an unsolvable problem. Therefore he has no reason to lift a finger to improve himself or his situation. It’s an easy way out, but an unpleasant one.

dlouwe,

Right? If everyone else adopts a healthy attitude toward sex and they stay sick, their warped pov becomes more obvious and repellent. They need the cover of rape culture and old, patriarchal taboos to feel comfortable.

Adam
Adam
7 years ago

I simultaneously despise these people and yet feel kind of sorry that they are totally incapable of appreciating half the people they meet in a non-sexual capacity. They live in such a small, sad, cynical world. It’s like they were angry, self-isolating teenagers like I was, but they just never grew out of it.

vaiyt
7 years ago

Hey, MGTOW, let me tell you a secret.

Ugly, poor and stupid men have sex all the time. Women aren’t all flocking to the same alpha males and leaving the majority of humanity in the dust; it’s just YOU who are such dregs that no woman wants anything to do with you.

kittehserf
7 years ago

What is this strange fixation misogynists have with their bodily fluids and how dirty and gross they think semen is?

Except when it’s Liquid Fucking Gold, of course.

“That’s what white folks never get. They don’t think they have accents. They don’t think they eat ethnic foods. Their music is classical. They think they’re just normal. That they are the universal and that everyone else is an odd deviation from form.”

Reminds me of when a friend went to the US and they were all “You have such a lovely accent!” She told ’em “No, I don’t have an accent. You all have accents.”

BTW random but Kittehs, I just had a bottled iced coffee that I think may be similar to what you’re used to (ie. not the kind that you got in LA before and didn’t like). Let me know if you want brand, variety, etc

.

Yes please!

Guess I don’t exist then. Never had sexual contact with anyone. BOOM.

These guys, I swear…

I’ve only had sexual contact with a man who’s in Spirit. Extra BOOM!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

@ Kittehs

Here you go! The vanilla is the one I just had, but I imagine the others would be pretty good too, given that the same company (Ito En) also makes the best bottled tea on the market.

http://jaystreetcoffee.com/

kittehserf
7 years ago

Thanks, cassandra! I shall put that in my travel notes. 🙂

trans_commie
7 years ago

Ito En also has some great green tea. Best green tea in a can ever.

historophilia
historophilia
7 years ago

For MRA’s obsession with teenage girls I am convinced that 99% of them don’t actually know or spend any time with any of them.

It was only a few years ago that I was 18 and when I was 18 I was dating another 18 year old and most of my friends were doing the same or not dating at all.

Hey MRA’s, you do realise that most of the “teenage girls” you see in the various media are not actually teenage girls? The “teenager girls” in Teen Wolf and Glee are played by women in their 20’s, and the “teens” in your porn are also (hopefully) not teenagers either?

Also, have you all seen the story about James Franco creeping on a 17 year old online? I bet you any money the MRA’s will be screaming about this one.

wewereemergencies
wewereemergencies
7 years ago

@kittehserf

I wasn’t old enough to notice the Howard govt. so I can’t make any comment on them. But, although I hadn’t heard about *that* aspect of their “illegals” policy, I’m not surprised. We are actually violating human rights after all.

The worst part (apart from the violation of human rights) is how so many people are like “Yay, those foreigners aren’t stealing our precious money anymore!” Racism, what racism?

Actually, I lie. The worst part is the fact that they threatened the ABC for not solely reporting their propaganda about refugees.

So much of our government is actually fucking terrifying.

House Mouse Queen
7 years ago

Cassandrakitty just summed it all up quite nicely.

kittehserf
7 years ago

So much of our government is actually fucking terrifying.

QFT.

Skye
Skye
7 years ago

I agree w/Kootiepatra. Speaking of invisible people, why is ‘shy, awkward, insecure, bookish nerd’ always coded male? I was a shy, awkward, insecure, bookish nerd and (spoiler alert) a girl. I spent most of high school believing I would never get a date. Any time a guy I liked came to ask me ‘a kind of personal question,’ he generally wanted advice on how to tell the girl he liked (who was not me) that he was interested in her

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Skye,
Me too! Speaking of invisible. That’s what people like us are. Women are always supposed to be socially adept. So many people don’t realize socially awkward women exist. Literally every guy I ever dated I met while drinking. Only alcohol loosens up the inhibitions enough to get me to point where I can flirt! Once on a date, I’m fine, but the initial contact is so hard for me.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Not only coded male, but used as cover/excuse for men who are no such thing – the creepers. Like WWTH said, women are expected (as in ‘required’) to be socially adept, to smooth things out for the poor awkard shy geeky etc etc men, pat them on the heads, read their minds and sex them without having to be asked. We’re also expected to treat every predatory slimeball who uses that imagery as cover as if he is the poor shy etc dude, and be sweet and forgiving and give him a chaaaance and sex him on demand.

But women who’re shy, awkward, and so on? No excuses. If you’re pretty and shy or frightened and some predator is creeping you out (at least) or some NiceGuy is moping after you, it’s entirely your fault for not Telling Him Sooner!

SredniVashtar
SredniVashtar
7 years ago

Hi David,

Not sure what level of expertise you need for your question, but although I don’t work in a mental health field, I have a degree in Psychology (focussing on mental health topics) and am starting a PhD studying schizophrenia next year. I also have online access to all the journals and stuff through my university so I could do some digging in the literature for you if it’s that kind of question. I’d be happy to try to advise you if you think I could be of help, just drop me an email.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Am I a bit late to this party? Oh, what the hell…

By 15 or whatever they have the looks and power to attract most men. By 18, depending on how attractive they are, they’re either dating 30 year old millionaires or (if less attractive) fucking the football team.

Um, what? At 15, I had no power whatsoever. And my looks were those of a gawky, awkward, frizzy-haired nerd with occasional zits that I was at constant pains to keep covered up. So, unless “most men” are total creepers who don’t care what you look like as long as you have a vagina they can insert themselves into, this statement makes no sense.

Ditto the “by 18” bit. At that age, I had grown into my looks a bit (still not as much as I would do after 20, or 30, or 40) but I wasn’t remotely interested in 30-year-olds, millionaire or otherwise (too damn old, and money be damned). And neither was I into football players. My high school didn’t have a football team; basketball was the big thing there, and I hated the basketballers because they fucking HARASSED me daily from Grade 9 on up. And I was unathletic myself, and uninterested in sports, and definitely NOT interested in being a cheerleader.

In fact, at 18, the only real thing I had on the brain was university. So I spent my last year of high school getting the grades that would get me into the school of my choice. Not dating millionaires or sleeping with jocks.

But I guess the idea of an awkward, bright, ambitious girl who would never trade sex for anything is beyond these sock-wankers.

steampunked (@steampunked)

Blna, I don’t think it’s beyond them, I think it goes like this:

1) Blna is a terrifying threat, having not prioritised my penis.

2) I must quickly construct a narrative where Blna will end up bitter and old and saying: I sure wish I’d slept with these guys on their terms while I could have!

3) Ignore any evidence to the contrary.

Yutolia
Yutolia
7 years ago

Um, what? At 15, I had no power whatsoever. And my looks were those of a gawky, awkward, frizzy-haired nerd with occasional zits that I was at constant pains to keep covered up. So, unless “most men” are total creepers who don’t care what you look like as long as you have a vagina they can insert themselves into, this statement makes no sense.

Ditto the “by 18″ bit. At that age, I had grown into my looks a bit (still not as much as I would do after 20, or 30, or 40) but I wasn’t remotely interested in 30-year-olds, millionaire or otherwise (too damn old, and money be damned). And neither was I into football players. My high school didn’t have a football team; basketball was the big thing there, and I hated the basketballers because they fucking HARASSED me daily from Grade 9 on up. And I was unathletic myself, and uninterested in sports, and definitely NOT interested in being a cheerleader.

In fact, at 18, the only real thing I had on the brain was university. So I spent my last year of high school getting the grades that would get me into the school of my choice. Not dating millionaires or sleeping with jocks.

But I guess the idea of an awkward, bright, ambitious girl who would never trade sex for anything is beyond these sock-wankers.

That’s because those are the type of girls that these guys notice. I will find the source for this eventually but there have been a couple of studies performed looking at the fact that many men don’t actually even necessarily register the existence of women they don’t find attractive – they just aren’t even on their radar. They don’t register the existence of women who might be too overweight for them (unless they happen to get in the way somehow) or women whose face they don’t think is pretty, etc, therefore in their totally skewed worldview, women who don’t date millionaires at or have sex with the entire football team truly don’t exist for them.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Blna, I don’t think it’s beyond them, I think it goes like this:

1) Blna is a terrifying threat, having not prioritised my penis.

2) I must quickly construct a narrative where Blna will end up bitter and old and saying: I sure wish I’d slept with these guys on their terms while I could have!

3) Ignore any evidence to the contrary.

And meanwhile, here’s me, thinking “Gawd, I really dodged a bullet!”, when I think of these guys at all. If they only knew how much sleeping with them does not enrich a woman’s life…

I will find the source for this eventually but there have been a couple of studies performed looking at the fact that many men don’t actually even necessarily register the existence of women they don’t find attractive – they just aren’t even on their radar. They don’t register the existence of women who might be too overweight for them (unless they happen to get in the way somehow) or women whose face they don’t think is pretty, etc, therefore in their totally skewed worldview, women who don’t date millionaires at or have sex with the entire football team truly don’t exist for them.

Confirmation bias is alive and well…and looks a lot like Farrah Fawcett in her heyday. I can’t even begin to tell you the number of guys who passed me over because I wasn’t a blonde, or because I had glasses, etc. Luckily, my attitude was something on the order of “Oh yeah? Well, who needs YOU, anyway?”