In case anyone was wondering, the Men Going Their Own Way movement has managed to survive the implosion of MGTOWforums.com that I wrote about a little while ago. Yep, the regulars from there have moved on to several new forums where they continue to celebrate their independence from the women of the world by happily discussing such manly hobbies as video games, model trains, taxidermy and knitting.
Oh, who am I kidding? They don’t talk about any of that stuff. Basically they continue to nurse their grudges against the women who wouldn’t date them in high school, somehow convincing themselves that the best way to be “free” of women is to obsess about them every minute of every day.
Take the charming fella who calls himself ManWithAPlan, who has managed to win himself nearly 1900 “likes” from his comrades on the MGTOW HQ message boards with comments like the following:
I hate [women] because most of them acted like stuck up cunts when they were young and hot. Then they hit 30+ and decide to settle down, and when there are no men to settle down, they start shaming men. This is where most of my hate/negativity comes from, the fact that these women feel entitled to “good” men after having spent the last 15-20 years telling guys “just because you bought me a drink/dinner doesn’t mean I owe you sex”.
And every woman acts this way. Oh you want to slut it up? Sure go ahead and be a cum rag, but I would never date a cum rag. And how would they react to that? “Oh well that’s your preference and you’re entitled to it”. Yeah right, they’d flip their shit and go into shaming language ahoy.
The reason I derive so much pleasure from this is because for the first time in their lives women are being held accountable for their actions. And they don’t fucking like it. Remember when some girl/woman got you in trouble for just crying while you weren’t in the wrong? This is fucking payback.
(Emphasis mine.)
This may sound a little harsh, but you need to remember that for most young women, life is just an endless VIP party:
Women are born with their so called value. By 15 or whatever they have the looks and power to attract most men. By 18, depending on how attractive they are, they’re either dating 30 year old millionaires or (if less attractive) fucking the football team. And they retain this value until at some point into their 30’s, sometimes 40’s. Men get nothing. We are born invisible. We have to claw, work and suffer for 2-3 decades before we get any recognition. And by that point, we no longer have the energy or fast metabolism we had in our youth. So that means double time for us.
Women are handed the world on a silver platter, men have to fight for it.
Is the MGTOW movement the least successful “independence” movement ever? They’re like someone who breaks up with you, angrily marches out the front door, slams it behind them — and then spends the next five years on your front porch peering in the window.
They never do grasp that they’re not “men going their own way” – they’re “overgrown sulky teenagers nobody would touch then and nobody would touch now”.
“They’re certainly not dating me, which makes them terrible people.”
Really, dude, at least try to be less obvious, and also learn about statistics.
I freakin’ love you Manboobz, you never let me down, I always leave with a huge smile on my face and a much better view of the world.
This is where most of my hate/negativity comes from, the fact that these women feel entitled to “good” men after having spent the last 15-20 years telling guys “just because you bought me a drink/dinner doesn’t mean I owe you sex”.
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I love how many men think that a single drink or dinner is the “price of sex”. That spending maybe 25 bucks suddenly gives them an all-exclusive pass to someone’s body. Even for sex workers (awesome folks) who sell it as a service, most do not come that cheap.
“This is where most of my hate/negativity comes from, the fact that these women feel entitled to “good” men after having spent the last 15-20 years telling guys “just because you bought me a drink/dinner doesn’t mean I owe you sex”.
And every woman acts this way. Oh you want to slut it up? Sure go ahead and be a cum rag, but I would never date a cum rag.”
So wait- which are we? Shameless prudes who keep their legs closed despite a moral obligation to sleep with men who do “nice things” for them? Or cum rags who have “slutted it up”?
The primary contradiction in “Red Pill” arguments, imo.
Wah, women don’t like me! Wah, they like other guys and not me! All of them! Even lesbians and asexuals! And lesbian asexuals! Wah! Well just wait until they turn THIRTY, then I’ll show ’em, by posting my screams for the waaaaahmbulance all over forums read by other guys all those chicks don’t like! WAH!
They’re also totally like the girl who screams at you, goes storming out slamming the door, and then has to sheepishly knock five minutes later and ask you to please hand you her purse.
“I hate [women] because (…)”
But seriously, MGTOWs are *not* misogynists.
They aren’t invisible, most women can see they’re awful people and steer clear.
But, wait, he’s totally contradicting himself here. He’s calling a woman who doesn’t have sex with a man just because he bought her a drink a “sl*t” and a cum rag.”
It’s really quite telling that he’s calling women who turn down sex (with him) sl*ts.” He really believes that when a man buys a woman dinner, the woman owes the man sex. And that is super creepy.
How dare those cum rags use shaming language.
Those have actually been the only occasions on which men have ever called me a slut, when I’ve said no to sex. It really is rather telling, isn’t it?
The MRM – a primal scream of rage about the fact that women are allowed to say no.
What a TERRIBLE thing to say! “Every woman” is horrible, and I hope they suffer forever.
I read DF’s last line as “and then spends the next five years on your front porch PEEing in the window.” Hey, either/or, tomato/tomahto.
Wow. Just… wow
These guys are so far removed from reality it’s mind blowing
I wonder if the real horror is that women have slept with men who didn’t buy them dinner first?
Thurston Howell took me to the prom aboard his caviar-powered yacht. Good times.
@cassandrakitty: “The MRM – a primal scream of rage about the fact that women are allowed to say no.”
Perfect summation of the movement.
I’ve actually heard more than one MRA argue that rape should be permissible.
They really have no idea what they sound like to normal people, do they? It’s like watching someone say “I opened the door for that person at the mall and then they totally refused to donate one of their kidneys to me! Do you not agree that they’re pure concentrated evil?” and have no idea that the responses from everyone else range from confusion to contempt.
“I’m mad because women are allowed to say no to sex and I hate them for it” is just not a very good basis for a human right’s movement.
That statement seems like one of those obvious, self-evident things that would never have to be pointed out.
Thurston Howell would be way more fun than these guys (or a football team, imo).
Funny, I seem to know an awful lot of wonderful 18-26 year old women. Oddly enough, none of them are dating millionaires, even though some are quite pretty.
I don’t think any of them are dating/doing things with football players, either.
How many football players and millionaires are there, anyway? Even if they only had first dates, every single night, I can’t see the college-level and up footballers and millionaires ever managing to successfully monopolize all 18-30 year old women.
Even if you only had each woman go on one date, in that entire timespan.
Time to look up numbers, to see if my hunch is right.
If I say that I don’t generally find football players sexually appealing at all is that misandry or being a slut?
I just told my boss about this, and some of the general shittitude from the MRM.
I also told him they’re the Greatest Human Rights Movement Of The Twenty-First Centureeeee.
He went blank and said “I’m missing something …” and then had a Pauline Hanson moment: “Please explain!” (Aussies will know that one.)
kittehserf – even Gilligan would be preferable. (I was always partial to the Professor, myself)
Both.
I don’t think I’ve ever found any athlete sexually appealing, and footballers least of all. Don’t like the game, don’t like the culture, don’t like anything about it, whether AFL or rugby.