The problem — well, one of the many problems — with a lot of so-called pickup artists is that they think with their dicks, and then use their relatively underpowered brains to rationalize their dickular preferences as The Way The World Should Be.
By contrast, the problems with Lance Christopher, a so-called pickup artist who hangs out in the comments section on Roosh V’s Return of Kings blog, really start when he stops thinking with his dick.
Some dudes roll over and fall asleep the moment after they come; Mr. Christopher contemplates genocide because women don’t want to hear him pontificate about Ukrainian history.
In case you’re wondering, no one else in the discussion suggests that Mr. Christopher’s opinion here might be a teensy bit extreme.
No, the commenters happily share terrible opinion after terrible opinion about the inferior creatures known as women.
Oh, it gets worse.
Cleanup in the pompous misogyny aisle!
You’ll notice that all of these comments have upvotes, by the way.
There may be some even more terrible comments in that thread, but I gave up reading them after a few screens full of this sort of garbage.
TOTALLY get guys “testing” me with conversation topics ALL THE TIME. Typically it’s regarding music or physics/general science (based on my interests or career, or whatever other information I may have divulged). I have had this conversation dozens of times in my adult life. “Oh, you’re in International Relations? Well, how do you feel about x/y/z? Here’s my ‘edgy’ opinion. You’re not sure about that? THOUGHT SO.”
Couldn’t be that I think you’re a tool, but am too polite to say so, right? Or that I’m simply not interested in getting into a deep and murky philosophical or political conversation at the moment because I’m having a night out and I’m more interested in fun, casual conversation? Couldn’t be that I CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU and know that you’re looking for a VERY NARROW, ‘CORRECT’ RESPONSE and/or AN EXCUSE TO RIDICULE ME???
Nope. The only possible explanation is that I’m a dumb bitch.
Post relevant: http://anarcho-womanist.tumblr.com/post/81607797374/have-you-ever-heard-the-phrase-cockblocking-you
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As a religion major, I feel your pain, or I did in and after college. If I had a nickel for every guy who took that as an opportunity to go all Dawkins Junior on me…
@LBT, I didn't really have a "focus" in undergrad, but my senior thesis was about how Wiccan* initiation rites use some of the same psychological techniques as the Hellenistic mystery religions. With a dash of cognitive theory of religion, because my thesis advisor was really into it.
My main areas of interest, academically, were/are early Islam, neopagan religions, religion and popular culture, and some comparative stuff. Ask me about how the jizya (tax on non-Muslims) was administrated in al-Andalus, or how Graceland is like Mecca, or what Star Trek fandom has in common with religion, and I can hold a decent conversation. Ask me about the Bible, and enjoy my blank stare.
*My understanding of Wicca has deepened since then, and I’m lucky my professor didn’t know much about it, because I now realize that some of my sources were questionable.
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I always hated the phrase ‘cockblocking’. It’s like ‘withholding sex’ and ‘friend zoning’. All of these are designed to take a situation where sex was never going to happen, act like it should have happened, act like the person who feels entitled to sex is actually a victim of cruelty, and shame and blame people for not having sex when they don’t want to have sex. The sad thing is, I don’t think that can ever be communicated to the people who insist on using those phrases unironically.
2nding with the hatred of the phrase “cockblocking”. Whenver some dude starts on about how he a friend of the women he was so getting it on with came over & cockblocked, we all know what actually happened, don’t we? The friend saw a woman being harrassed by the dude and came over to protect her.
TL;DR: It’s not “cockblcoking”, it’s a rescue operation, you entitled proto-rapist creep!
And this is partiarchy. When the only way that he can be made to stop pestering a woman is for someone else to intervene. And he thinks he’s the victim here!
Is this a particularly het thing or is it just that the examples we see on Manboobz occur in the homophobic Manosphere?
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Well, this is Dunning-Krugger in action, isn’t it? Somebody who’s into history actually understands specialization and knows that a general background isn’t going to get you that deep. (seriously, my dad is a amateur historian and we were talking about Crimea and digging in and it’s like an onion, every year back you go there’s more detail and more nuance and it’s turtles all the way down…)
But this guy read one article and now he’s convinced he knows who the bad guys are and who the good guys are and he’s an EXPERT.
He has a Single Unified Theory where women and feminism are the bad guys… want to bet that extends to the Crimea?
Agreed that “cockblocking” is a bullshit term. If a woman is actually interested in hooking up with the man hitting on her, a friend butting into the conversation is not going to change. Because contrary to the belief of the guys quoted in this post, we actually do have agency and are capable of deciding for ourselves whether or not to have sex with someone!
I never developed specific signals with friends, but we’ve definitely run interference for each other and pretended to be girlfriends with each other. It’s both funny and sad that women everywhere across culture, races and socio-economic statuses have developed the exact same strategies for keeping ourselves and our friends safe.
I know, right? As if women have the attention span of goldfish and if someone talks about something else they’re doing to forget that they wanted to have sex.
Of course these are the same people who think that saying “Do you want to have sex?” is going to prevent them from having sex. So clearly they believe that one’s ability to have sex is always on a hair trigger.
Yeah, and given what Roosh and his pals think they know about Ukrainian women, I’m gonna guess that their opinions on Ukrainian politics and history are similarly informed and nuanced.
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Thank you! Looooong time lurker though. May have commented once or twice in the last year. But still, I got my official Manboobz Welcome Package, so… it’s a good day!
LBT – library science, eh? I worked as a student library employee (work study program) in the main library at university. I was one of the last SLEs trained in the IBM punch card system, before the great electronic makeover. Got to witness the elimination of the card catalog as well. Ah, memories.
Ah, reading the cockblocking posts reminded me of what we were taught in my junior high school health class. Apparently, if a girl and guy are making out and the girl puts a stop to the action, the boy can get a bad case of “blueballs.” Sometimes this can even cause the poor guy to get sick and be in terrible pain. And, on rare occasions, the condition can lead to long-term disability, loss of focus and hospitalization.
The way to avoid this, girls, is for US to keep our hands off of THEM.
Good times…
Yep. I initially got to know one of my besties in London when she saw me being backed into a corner by a creep at a club and ducked under his arm, put her arm around my neck, gave me a kiss, and then turned to him and said “We’re lesbians, go away”. I’m Scottish, she’s Japanese, up until we met in London (where both of us had recently arrived) we’d never dealt with a shared nightlife culture, and yet yep, exactly the same strategies in terms of women looking out for each other.
Oh yes. There’s also “Hey, that thing. That thing we talked about? Can you come here a sec?” In persistent cases I’ve been known to look straight at the guy and say “You know how girls always go to the bathroom together? Yeah, here it is again.”
My own REALLY? moment came when I saw a guy trying to strike up/continue a conversation with a young woman in line for the ladies room at a club. He was posturing and doing that boundary pushing thing where you escalate touches and she had her face locked on stone.
A woman nearer the door made eye contact with me as I walked by, I sailed up to his victim and announced that Mary had held a place for us and walked her away from him up to the head of the line. What struck me at the time was not that a complete stranger and I had wordlessly agreed to execute an escape but that not one woman in the very long line waiting for the facilities objected to us cutting ahead.
A friend of mine who did drag shows loved to break up this kind of hassling by going up and acting like he knew the guy and telling the victim to buzz off. Ah, good times.
It’s annoying because there’s a “How do I handle a cockblocker?” post on Dr Nerdlove where the guy pays lip service to the ‘women have agency’ but apparently hasn’t quite digested what that truly means.
zippydoo – that could have been the shortest response ever.
“How do I handle a cockblocker?”
“Stop being a predatory douche and fuck off when you’re not wanted.”
The dudebros really don’t seem to be able to cope with the fact that if a woman is pulling her friend away from them it’s because the friend isn’t interested, do they? Nope, admitting that would cause hurty feelings, so let’s go with a conspiracy theory about how women try to stop other women from getting laid JUST BECAUSE instead.
“How do I handle a cockblocker?”
“Beat your chest, make loud ook ook noises and beat the crap out of the other guy, then fling poo at him while he runs. Guaranteed.”
vaiyt – and bounce a book off his head when you’re finished.
Here’s a tip: If you see a guy claiming to be a pick-up artist while complaining about women MRA style, he’s full of shit. Guys who have healthy, positive sex lives, whether they are players or happily married, don’t spend time complaining about women, much less blogging about it.
Also I find it ironic how he thinks that woman on a date was dumb yet his understanding of Russian/Ukrainian history is woefully inadequate.
I’ve read a lot of Lance Christopher’s posts and he is one scary guy. He seriously needs help as he comes across like another Elliot Rodgers in the making. The RoK site isn’t a healthy place for him to be.