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After a feminist activist at Queen’s University reports being attacked, possibly by an MRA, the king of “f their sh*t up” responds with angry denial

Paul Elam: Anger is "pulsing through my veins like molten lava" at the very notion that MRAs are violent.
Paul Elam: Anger is “pulsing through my veins like molten lava.”

A student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, says she was attacked and beaten by a strange man after receiving threatening messages about her opposition to a Men’s Rights group on campus. On Thursday, Danielle d’Entremont posted a picture of her bruised face to Facebook along with this explanation:

Just walked out of my house and got attacked by a stranger. I was punched in the face multiple times and lost half my tooth. This was after a few threatening emails regarding my support for feminist activities on campus. I can’t say for sure if the two are connected, however the attacker was a male who knew my name.

The campus Men’s Issues Awareness Society (MIAS) – the group d’Entremont has been fighting – has condemned the attack, as has the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), which co-sponsored a talk the MIAS put on Thursday. The police are investigating.

Right now, this is pretty much all we know about the story. Not that it this has stopped MRAs from offering their very fervent opinions on the matter.

Before we get to them, here are a few of my own:

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise. Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists – or indeed challenge sexism in any sufficiently public manner – often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

While most prominent MRAs are smart enough to avoid making specific threats of physical violence in public, their “activist” campaigns often target individual women, often college students and individual activists rather than women with any real power in society, almost certainly because those with less power are easier to intimidate.

And for all their talk of being the “civil rights movement” of the 21st century, Men’s Rights activists rely on rhetoric steeped in violence and hatred. It wasn’t Martin Luther King who declared of his opponents that “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.” It was Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, probably the most influential Men’s Rights activist on the scene right now.

I don’t know who attacked d’Entremont. But given the number of threats being made towards feminist activists on a daily basis, it is inevitable that women (and perhaps some men) who’ve publicly opposed the Men’s Rights movement will be the targets of real violence. Inevitable.

And much of the responsibility for this violence will rest with Elam and other Men’s Rights leaders who have deliberately stoked the anger and hatred of their followers and directed much of it at individual female scapegoats. If your favorite slogan is “Fuck Their Shit Up” you can’t pretend you’re an innocent angel when someone inspired by your words actually does Fuck Someone’s Shit Up.

And it doesn’t help when MRAs like Elam try to make violence against women into a kind of joke. Here, at left, is a screenshot from a notorious post by Elam promoting his supposedly “satirical” notion of turning Domestic Violence Awareness Month into Bash a Violent Bitch Month; yes, that picture ran, with that caption, on Elam’s original post. At right, the picture of herself that d’Entremont posted to her Facebook page.

[TRIGGER WARNING for images of violence against women. Post continues after picture.]

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Of course, this isn’t how Elam and his friends see the issue. The moment the story of the attack broke, a special A Voice for Men Flying Squad of commenters descended upon the website of the student newspaper of Queens University to set forth all the reasons they thought d’Entremont was a lying liar. Attila Vinczer, AVFM’s offical “Activism Director,” was especially active:

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Yeah, Attila, I’m pretty sure criminal investigations don’t work like that.

Meanwhile, AVFM Contributing Editor Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan attempted to minimize d’Entremont’s injuries in a rather inventive way:

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But it was Elam himself who launched the most vociferous attack on d’Entremont; indeed, in a long and rage-filled post titled “A whiff of bullshit at Queen’s University,” he declared that the very notion that MRAs might pose a threat to feminist activists to be a “scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

Huh. I’m pretty sure I didn’t make up the hundreds of abusive and/or threatening messages that a certain red-haired feminist activist received for the crime of yelling at a couple of A Voice for Men dudes on camera once. Or those received by Rebecca Watson for the crime of suggesting that maybe dudes shouldn’t hit on gals who are riding a hotel elevator alone at 4 AM. Or those received by any of countless other women who have found themselves labeled enemy-of-the-week by MRAs, antifeminists, and other misogynistic creeps online.

Oh, and there was that creepy threatening phone message I got at 1:38 AM one December from one of AVFM’s own activists who was too dumb to hide his own identity properly.

But in any case, Elam for some reason has decided that the best way to convince the world that MRAs are reasonable people who would never resort to violence is to declare that he is overcome by his own anger. No, really:

[N]ow I am angry. I am 100% completely, undeniably pissed off bordering on rage. It won’t last, but for the moment it is pulsing through my veins like molten lava.

And what makes him angry? The very thought that someone might assume that a woman who was an active opponent of an Men’s Rights organization might have been targeted because of her activism — and assaulted by an MRA who, like Elam, might have had anger “pulsing through [his] veins like molten lava.”

There’s really not much more to Elam’s post than that. He makes a joke about d’Entremont trolling for “likes” on Facebook for the picture of her beaten face. He demands “proof” and predicts there will be none:

There will never be any evidence that she was attacked by an MHRA. They will probably not catch her supposed “attacker,” and the incident will wind up unresolved because there is no evidence to make a case against anyone, or at the very least not against any MHRA. The story will still get major traction with feminist ideologues, though, who will use it to mischaracterize MHRAs as violent so they can continue to attack the formation of new men’s issues groups.

And then he starts his rant in earnest:

I want to hear a police official say they have reason to believe it was men’s activists, and then share the identity of the person of interest with the public. I want them to make inquiries to this website to look for leads. With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

I want to know for sure that this woman, who posts this shit to her Facebook page but does not want to be identified, and her friend, who also does not want to be identified, are not both liars.

I want to see, with all the wolf crying that feminists have done about MHRAs, one tiny, even microscopic shred of fucking proof of anything they say.

I want to know if they are more credible than the zombie apocalypse. Rather I should say I would like to see them prove they are for a change.

And if my hunch, check that, experience, is right, and there are lies involved in this case, I want to see those responsible go to jail just as much as I want to see her attacker, if he actually exists, do the same.

Huh. That’s a lot of demands, Paul. I’m pretty sure the police have more pressing priorities in their investigation than mollifying the narcissistic rage of an internet ranter.

But I think we can see what is happening here: Unless the police are able to quickly identify and arrest a man who is clearly associated with a Men’s Rights group for this crime, and unless he is quickly convicted of this crime, MRAs – led by Elam and his followers – are going to declare d’Entremont a “false accuser” if not an outright hoaxer, and target her for further harassment and abuse. All while loudly proclaiming that they are the real victims here. (Never mind that they never apply even a fraction of such skepticism towards the tall tales of feminist oppression told by serial fabricators like John Hembling.)

Elam ends his post with these inspiring words:

Please note: AVfM is in the middle of its Spring Fundraiser. Please help us continue to spread the message. Click here to contribute.

Because A Voice for Men LLC, after all, is a business – albeit one that’s apparently forbidden from conducting business in the state of Texas – and its business is hate.

EDITED TO ADD: John Hembling — AVFM’s “Director, Public Policy” and “Editor at Large” — has weighed in with his own take on the attack, which he has puzzlingly titled “Don’t Bash a Violent Bitch,” helpfully illustrated with a picture of a nerdy fellow brandishing a fist. (Classy!) In it he loudly proclaims to be shocked — shocked! — that anyone could imagine any MRA could be responsible for such a crime, which is totally opposed to everything that the peace-loving Men’s Human Rights Movement stands for.

Then he goes on to argue that “Slugger d’Entremont” (!?) is an “asshole” who probably brought this upon herself by being such an asshole:

I expect that whoever bashed Danielle d’Entremont in the face is somebody she knows, who has been dealing with her for years. Maybe her attempt to silence Professor Fiamengo was what did it, maybe it was something else. The timing of the incident, thus far, does not indicate a connection.

Really? The attack happened the night before Fiamengo’s lecture.

An individual attempting to censor and silence somebody speaking on human rights concerns of any group, men or otherwise, is likely an individual that’s an asshole with a past.

How exactly she is a “violent bitch” he never exactly explains. Perhaps someone else wrote the headline. It’s not like there’s a shortage of “editors” at AVFM eager to blame the victim of this particular crime.

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saintnick86
saintnick86
10 years ago

Sure the protesters can protest all they want.

So…what’s the problem, then?

What they should not be allowed to do is prevent others from speaking.

Which no one is doing. What weird fantasy land do you and all the other MRAs live in? Because I keep hearing about it yet never coming across any incidence of such. I mean, most cases of people claiming “censorship” tends to be another way of saying “people are voicing criticism I don’t like to hear – thus they must be oppressing me!”

But it was they who violated freedom of speech and therefore saying they should respect it is more than justified.

People telling you that you’re wrong is not a violation of freedom of speech. I’d argue it is a bigger violation of free speech to allow a group to say whatever they want, but silent any dissent against such. You can’t just have it go one way – you are allowed to speak as well as to be criticized by others.

You’re a joke.

Says the dumbass who asks for evidence of MRAs making threats to feminists and doesn’t bother to read any other fucking entries at this blog…

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Dunce didn’t take long to have a meltdown. Good riddance douche!

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

:snort:

It’s time to point and laugh at the stupid sockpuppet.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Dumbe, David really didn’t need an excuse to ban your sorry ass. Your work spoke for itself.

Unimaginative: we got a 2014 Hyundai Veloster turbo. I was dreading the experience, but the dealership was great. We were just looking today, but fell in love. That car runs you wouldn’t believe, and for turbo get decent gas mileage (anything would be an improvement over our old truck). Once i get the Debby Drag Race out of my system, the mileage will be even better!

I better slow my roll in it before I meet a man in a Charger.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

^runs like and gets great mileage. I drive better than I type, thankfully.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

Dunbe, what in the frootloop are you still doing here?

If you insist on being obnoxious, could you stop least quit with the name calling, and actually address things?

Like, really address things. Some people have brought up some of your points, with requests for citations.

Some of us do like being open minded, but it’s hard to take someone seriously when they insist on both being insulting (in a sort of sad preschoolish way) and not providing any references from reputable sources to back up their claims.

If you’re seriously hoping to enlighten us, please be an adult about it and commence with the data dispersal with savvy analysis.

Otherwise, you’re just trolling. Trolling never actually gets anyone to change sides. It’s just annoying.

Like mosquitoes, hangnails, and too liquid-y oatmeal.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I bet that is the same guy. His buddy liquid_j compared this blog to Germany in the 30’s. What a convincing argument!

kittehserf
10 years ago

More interesting than anything dunce has said in his sorry life: Maddie says “Squeak” and sneezes. She has the flu and two weeks of anti-inflammatories, antibiotics and decongestants to look forward to.

dunbe
dunbe
10 years ago

Lol.
People actually demanding I respond AFTER I get banned.
What a miserable bunch of cowards.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Well, clearly you haven’t actually been banned yet. You may have noticed you’re still posting. Still, I’ll email our dark lord and master to make sure he knows it didn’t stick.

cloudiah
10 years ago

I’m even more convinced Aloysius C on Reddit is the same person as dunbe here. Same complete failure to use logic or reason. Same tone of testeria.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Oh hey, congrats on the new car, hellkell. I’ve been looking getting a new hybrid, but can’t bring myself to make a decision.

dunbe
dunbe
10 years ago

The threat to ban is enough to shut down the possibility of dialogue. That’s on you, not me. Own it. Bye then assholes.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Thanks, cloudiah!

Oh, Dumb, you couldn’t dialogue your way out of a wet paper bag. Shoo, go, fuck off.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Yeah, I kind of think the “possibility of dialogue” was hampered more by dunbe’s failure to reason or logic but whatever.

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

MRAs are like Tea Partiers (predictably, since I imagine there’s a lot of overlap there). They’re loathsome enough to make horrifying threats on a pretty much constant basis, yet lazy enough to rarely, if ever act on them.

scarlettpipstrelle
10 years ago

Another odd thing: Some of the MRAs are calling BS because she contacted campus security instead of the police. Maybe it’s different in Canada (but I doubt it) but I worked on a campus for almost a decade and there, the campus security people were real police. That’s who you would call. If you called the municipal police for something that happened on campus, they’d refer it to the campus police.

Bina
10 years ago

I bet that is the same guy. His buddy liquid_j compared this blog to Germany in the 30′s. What a convincing argument!

These guys all sound so tiresomely alike. Either they’re all one and the same, or they’re so hopelessly conformist that they might as well be Nazis themselves.

And given that my dad lived most of the 1930s in Germany (he was 12 when the war ended), I have to say that this place is NOTHING like that. For one thing, no one here gives you shit if you play hooky from the Hitlerjugend, as my old man did.

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

My only regret is that I, too, was curious about what the difference is between “free speech” “freedom of speech.”

But likely he would never have answered the question anyway.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: dunbe

That’s it. Make up cheap excuses to ban. Lying asshole.

Aw, I thought you didn’t want to hang out with us anyway? Surely being banned would be no big loss? Why should you care?

What a miserable bunch of cowards.

You can pretend we weren’t demanding evidence BEFORE you were banned, but sure, okay.

Bye then assholes.

*cries one single manly tear for your departure*

samantha
samantha
10 years ago
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Yep…strictly symbolically, of course. Unlike the MRAs, we know what NOT to do. But oh yeah…I did learn self-defence (which I forgot to add to my list above). I learned how to maim, paralyze and even kill an attacker with my bare hands if I had to. So any guy wants to mess with me is gonna have to answer to the unregistered lethal weapons at the ends of my wrists.

(Cue the MRAs screaming “Violent bitches! See! I told you so! Bash the bitches!!!1111eleventyhundredeleven!!!”)

Agreed! What I find so very pathetic AND dangerous about these guys is they will vehemently deny that any man threatens or hurts any woman while laughing about women who are threatened, hurt or killed by men. At the same time, they will scream foul if we mention defending ourselves, whether in a humorous vein or a serious one.

Do they really believe their drivel? I mean the leaders. I suspect the followers do, but it still feels to me as though the Elams of the world have found a goldmine of angry guys and are milking it for all it is worth.

Lady Mondegreen
10 years ago

David, the baseball bat comments are still showing up.

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