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After a feminist activist at Queen’s University reports being attacked, possibly by an MRA, the king of “f their sh*t up” responds with angry denial

Paul Elam: Anger is "pulsing through my veins like molten lava" at the very notion that MRAs are violent.
Paul Elam: Anger is “pulsing through my veins like molten lava.”

A student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, says she was attacked and beaten by a strange man after receiving threatening messages about her opposition to a Men’s Rights group on campus. On Thursday, Danielle d’Entremont posted a picture of her bruised face to Facebook along with this explanation:

Just walked out of my house and got attacked by a stranger. I was punched in the face multiple times and lost half my tooth. This was after a few threatening emails regarding my support for feminist activities on campus. I can’t say for sure if the two are connected, however the attacker was a male who knew my name.

The campus Men’s Issues Awareness Society (MIAS) – the group d’Entremont has been fighting – has condemned the attack, as has the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), which co-sponsored a talk the MIAS put on Thursday. The police are investigating.

Right now, this is pretty much all we know about the story. Not that it this has stopped MRAs from offering their very fervent opinions on the matter.

Before we get to them, here are a few of my own:

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise. Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists – or indeed challenge sexism in any sufficiently public manner – often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

While most prominent MRAs are smart enough to avoid making specific threats of physical violence in public, their “activist” campaigns often target individual women, often college students and individual activists rather than women with any real power in society, almost certainly because those with less power are easier to intimidate.

And for all their talk of being the “civil rights movement” of the 21st century, Men’s Rights activists rely on rhetoric steeped in violence and hatred. It wasn’t Martin Luther King who declared of his opponents that “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.” It was Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, probably the most influential Men’s Rights activist on the scene right now.

I don’t know who attacked d’Entremont. But given the number of threats being made towards feminist activists on a daily basis, it is inevitable that women (and perhaps some men) who’ve publicly opposed the Men’s Rights movement will be the targets of real violence. Inevitable.

And much of the responsibility for this violence will rest with Elam and other Men’s Rights leaders who have deliberately stoked the anger and hatred of their followers and directed much of it at individual female scapegoats. If your favorite slogan is “Fuck Their Shit Up” you can’t pretend you’re an innocent angel when someone inspired by your words actually does Fuck Someone’s Shit Up.

And it doesn’t help when MRAs like Elam try to make violence against women into a kind of joke. Here, at left, is a screenshot from a notorious post by Elam promoting his supposedly “satirical” notion of turning Domestic Violence Awareness Month into Bash a Violent Bitch Month; yes, that picture ran, with that caption, on Elam’s original post. At right, the picture of herself that d’Entremont posted to her Facebook page.

[TRIGGER WARNING for images of violence against women. Post continues after picture.]

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Of course, this isn’t how Elam and his friends see the issue. The moment the story of the attack broke, a special A Voice for Men Flying Squad of commenters descended upon the website of the student newspaper of Queens University to set forth all the reasons they thought d’Entremont was a lying liar. Attila Vinczer, AVFM’s offical “Activism Director,” was especially active:

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Yeah, Attila, I’m pretty sure criminal investigations don’t work like that.

Meanwhile, AVFM Contributing Editor Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan attempted to minimize d’Entremont’s injuries in a rather inventive way:

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But it was Elam himself who launched the most vociferous attack on d’Entremont; indeed, in a long and rage-filled post titled “A whiff of bullshit at Queen’s University,” he declared that the very notion that MRAs might pose a threat to feminist activists to be a “scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

Huh. I’m pretty sure I didn’t make up the hundreds of abusive and/or threatening messages that a certain red-haired feminist activist received for the crime of yelling at a couple of A Voice for Men dudes on camera once. Or those received by Rebecca Watson for the crime of suggesting that maybe dudes shouldn’t hit on gals who are riding a hotel elevator alone at 4 AM. Or those received by any of countless other women who have found themselves labeled enemy-of-the-week by MRAs, antifeminists, and other misogynistic creeps online.

Oh, and there was that creepy threatening phone message I got at 1:38 AM one December from one of AVFM’s own activists who was too dumb to hide his own identity properly.

But in any case, Elam for some reason has decided that the best way to convince the world that MRAs are reasonable people who would never resort to violence is to declare that he is overcome by his own anger. No, really:

[N]ow I am angry. I am 100% completely, undeniably pissed off bordering on rage. It won’t last, but for the moment it is pulsing through my veins like molten lava.

And what makes him angry? The very thought that someone might assume that a woman who was an active opponent of an Men’s Rights organization might have been targeted because of her activism — and assaulted by an MRA who, like Elam, might have had anger “pulsing through [his] veins like molten lava.”

There’s really not much more to Elam’s post than that. He makes a joke about d’Entremont trolling for “likes” on Facebook for the picture of her beaten face. He demands “proof” and predicts there will be none:

There will never be any evidence that she was attacked by an MHRA. They will probably not catch her supposed “attacker,” and the incident will wind up unresolved because there is no evidence to make a case against anyone, or at the very least not against any MHRA. The story will still get major traction with feminist ideologues, though, who will use it to mischaracterize MHRAs as violent so they can continue to attack the formation of new men’s issues groups.

And then he starts his rant in earnest:

I want to hear a police official say they have reason to believe it was men’s activists, and then share the identity of the person of interest with the public. I want them to make inquiries to this website to look for leads. With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

I want to know for sure that this woman, who posts this shit to her Facebook page but does not want to be identified, and her friend, who also does not want to be identified, are not both liars.

I want to see, with all the wolf crying that feminists have done about MHRAs, one tiny, even microscopic shred of fucking proof of anything they say.

I want to know if they are more credible than the zombie apocalypse. Rather I should say I would like to see them prove they are for a change.

And if my hunch, check that, experience, is right, and there are lies involved in this case, I want to see those responsible go to jail just as much as I want to see her attacker, if he actually exists, do the same.

Huh. That’s a lot of demands, Paul. I’m pretty sure the police have more pressing priorities in their investigation than mollifying the narcissistic rage of an internet ranter.

But I think we can see what is happening here: Unless the police are able to quickly identify and arrest a man who is clearly associated with a Men’s Rights group for this crime, and unless he is quickly convicted of this crime, MRAs – led by Elam and his followers – are going to declare d’Entremont a “false accuser” if not an outright hoaxer, and target her for further harassment and abuse. All while loudly proclaiming that they are the real victims here. (Never mind that they never apply even a fraction of such skepticism towards the tall tales of feminist oppression told by serial fabricators like John Hembling.)

Elam ends his post with these inspiring words:

Please note: AVfM is in the middle of its Spring Fundraiser. Please help us continue to spread the message. Click here to contribute.

Because A Voice for Men LLC, after all, is a business – albeit one that’s apparently forbidden from conducting business in the state of Texas – and its business is hate.

EDITED TO ADD: John Hembling — AVFM’s “Director, Public Policy” and “Editor at Large” — has weighed in with his own take on the attack, which he has puzzlingly titled “Don’t Bash a Violent Bitch,” helpfully illustrated with a picture of a nerdy fellow brandishing a fist. (Classy!) In it he loudly proclaims to be shocked — shocked! — that anyone could imagine any MRA could be responsible for such a crime, which is totally opposed to everything that the peace-loving Men’s Human Rights Movement stands for.

Then he goes on to argue that “Slugger d’Entremont” (!?) is an “asshole” who probably brought this upon herself by being such an asshole:

I expect that whoever bashed Danielle d’Entremont in the face is somebody she knows, who has been dealing with her for years. Maybe her attempt to silence Professor Fiamengo was what did it, maybe it was something else. The timing of the incident, thus far, does not indicate a connection.

Really? The attack happened the night before Fiamengo’s lecture.

An individual attempting to censor and silence somebody speaking on human rights concerns of any group, men or otherwise, is likely an individual that’s an asshole with a past.

How exactly she is a “violent bitch” he never exactly explains. Perhaps someone else wrote the headline. It’s not like there’s a shortage of “editors” at AVFM eager to blame the victim of this particular crime.

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samantha
samantha
10 years ago

On the one hand, I am furious with the MRA idiots and whoever attacked this woman. All of my life, women and girl children have been blamed for whatever happens to them – even including death. I have been the recipient of that hateful, lying cruelty more times then I can count,

On the other hand, I think that the more we laugh at them and, like David and the bloggers here, tear apart what passes amongst the mra-impaired for thought and logic, the more ridiculous and asinine they will be shown to be.

Are they dangerous? Yes. Most definitely, they are dangerous. Anyone who can laugh at and promote – even “satirically” – the deaths of girls and women…who can say that whatever violent and heinous acts are done to ANYONE are the fault of the person injured or killed, is a psychotic monster whose life should be placed in a pen, far, far away from the rest of us.

But we must laugh and show the world how small these guys really are. And then we need to gather ourselves and work to create a better, more loving and enlightened world.

After all, they do say that the best revenge is living well.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Jesus, kitteh!

To be fair, I really should have known better than to click that image.
(Hint to people as thoughtless as me: Don’t!)

That was about my reaction when I first saw it, too! Came up in a page of Cathulhu results. Surprised, I am not.

But being a nasty person, I thought, why should I be the only one here to go OHFUCKTHAT’SSCARY about it?

trans_commie
10 years ago

Attila is a real piece of shit. How dare he demand that he interrogate the victim, harass her, and intimidate her. He hasn’t explicitly shown that he wants to do those things if he sees her but I have no reason to give a jerk like him the benefit of doubt.

kittehserf
10 years ago

YES to all of that, Samantha.

Have some Furrinati playing in the snow.

http://youtu.be/azEIDf1YhiQ

samantha
samantha
10 years ago
Reply to  kittehserf

Have some Furrinati playing in the snow.

Awwww…That was really cute! Thanks! Kinda made my day, it did…:)

kittehserf
10 years ago

Good, I hoped you’d enjoy it!

kittehserf
10 years ago

There’s also Sparky getting his breakfast exercise. I must send this one to my sister!

http://youtu.be/yD3yVwC0fjg

House Mouse Queen
10 years ago

kitteh:

:40 was the best part of that vid! I loved it. I needed it after reading through that thread at Queen’s.

Karen seems to be really upset at me. She never responds to me but she did on that thread. She corrected me when I talked about Elam’s “Bash a Bitch month’ She swooped in and said ‘It was BASH A VIOLENT BITCH MONTH!!!’ and it was SATIRE!

Whoa! I stand corrected!

kittehserf
10 years ago

House Mouse Queen – glad you enjoyed them! I was laughing my head off with those vids and thought we could all do with some critters having fun after this thread.

Satire’s another thing MRAs either fail to understand or think is just another word they can sling around to pretend their desire to hurt women isn’t really real.

Straughan would find out how not-satirical it is if these creatures ever decided she fits into the category of “women who disagree with us or speak up and deserve to be beaten for it”. I don’t think she has any idea how much risk she’s taking, associating with them.

lightcastle
lightcastle
10 years ago

I didn’t think they missed the point of spiders being actually dangerous at all. It’s just as long as you don’t disturb the spider, and mind your own business, it won’t hurt you. Just as long as you don’t disturb the MRAs, and mind your own business, they won’t hurt you.

They like thinking they’re dangerous.

kittehserf
10 years ago

lightcastle – and of course “mind your own business and don’t disturb MRAs” means don’t speak, don’t say no to a man, ever; don’t do anything of which they disapprove; don’t deprive a man of a job by working for a living; don’t be a gold-digging b*tch by being supported by a man; don’t dress in a way that provokes their boners; don’t dress in a way that gives them sad boners; don’t … don’t … don’t …

dunbe
dunbe
10 years ago

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise.

Yes it will be and no it’s not likely. There is no precedent of this happening before. Also there’s no motive since the MRAs won that particular battle and so have no reason to target her with any kind of retaliatory motivation.

Tangential note: There are many precedents of feminists falsely accusing MRAs of threatening them. I’m not saying that’s the case here but since you were speculating on likelihoods, I’m offering another possibility. In fact, maintaining victim status is a central pillar of feminist power.

Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists … often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

Nice goalpost shift. Oh wait, you really think angry messages are the same thing as an actual physical assault – when it’s convenient you fanatic asshole.

Also prove that those hundreds of messages were even from MRAs. To this day we only have claims that they were. Nothing else.

Feminist activists who challenge … sexism in any sufficiently public manner ….

Lol. You mean feminists who challenge sexism against men receive threats and vitriol from other feminists. I challenge you to find one single example of MRAs threatening a feminist who challenges sexism against men. Otherwise admit that you’re a dishonest shit who happily twists the truth for your political agenda.

zippydoo
zippydoo
10 years ago

Dunbe, go away, before you use weird rape metaphors again. You’re creepy. And wrong, but not worth the time to disprove point by point here, because this entire blog has many articles over the years documenting MRAs doing exactly the opposite of what you claim. Which is probably why you’re here trolling instead of where everyone can hold hands and assure themselves that feminism IS the enemy, a big cyberwoman robot hellbent on the destruction of boners.

Unoriginal troll.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

nd Dunce goes into negative points for a spectacular failure to stick to that flounce.

There are many precedents of feminists falsely accusing MRAs of threatening them.

And I call your bullshit. Citations needed, ass-wipe!

I’m offering another possibility. In fact, maintaining victim status is a central pillar of feminist power.

And another pile of steaming poop. Please stop offering us crap. We don’t want it. Perhaps you haven’t noticed but this woman is an actual victim. This is an actual woman who has actually been beaten up by an actual violent man.

You mean feminists who challenge sexism against men receive threats and vitriol from other feminists

And that alarm you hear sounding is the bullshit meter going off the scale!

You really are a complete wank-fest, aren’t you, Dunce! Here, see David meeting your challenge, months ago. Now fuck off.

http://manboobz.com/2013/04/17/so-who-exactly-has-been-harassing-that-red-haired-canadian-feminist-a-not-quite-scientific-survey/

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Someone needs to teach Dunbe how to use the googles.

(Not me, I can’t be bothered.)

House Mouse Queen
10 years ago

Feminists misandered a fire alarm. That’s so totally violent. OTOH, everything written about in this blog is a testament of MRA violence towards women and feminists. Guess he didn’t read the OP

House Mouse Queen
10 years ago

Gee I can’t remember a single incident where a feminist threatened me but I can think of hundreds of times MRA’s talked about violence towards women and women they label feminists. The very fact a woman was beaten up by a man is causing MRA’s to victimize her over and over again, call her a violent bitch and say she deserved it.

Let’s have a game of MRA identity paranoia!

Dunbe is really Dean Esmay. I can tell.

scarlettpipstrelle
10 years ago

I just saw this. Old art work is great, but it makes me wish copyrights lasted longer. http://www.pinterest.com/ianironwood/the-red-pill-society/

scarlettpipstrelle
10 years ago

The comments over there, stating how many of the MRAs don’t believe her and are encouraging alternate theories reminds me of this case in Colorado. In my youth, skepticism towards attack victims (of all sorts) was the norm, and it was very hard to win a case. And, IS there a secret society of “wolves”? http://blogs.denverpost.com/crime/2011/07/12/affidavit-rape-suspect-believed-he-was-member-of-secret-society-could-have-sex-with-anyone/584/

kittehserf
10 years ago

scarletpipstrelle – gah, not that tosser. Pompous windbag who even infests science blogs.

scarlettpipstrelle
10 years ago

At least this one’s out of circulation. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/15/marc-oleary-33-is-being-c_n_964355.html But I’m sure there are more to take his place.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

Darn it, Dunbe!

The flounce was the only place you got any positive points whatsoever, and now you go and ruin it! Retroactive ‘failure to stick to flounce’ penalty: -10.

Oh, and way to “Logic”.

Really. You’ve managed to convince me that if someone threatens to beat someone’s face in, they should totally never take it seriously, ’cause logic.

And if their face does get beaten in after getting threatened, it’s totally not likely that it’d be someone from the rant-y threatening group of people that’d do it, ’cause random strangers are totally not nice and the threatening people are really just giant teddy bears. Oh, yeah, and ’cause logic.

The ‘It was other feminists who did it’ and ‘Feminists who support men don’t get threatened’ gems were also nice. Totally true.

Not.

Seriously, Dunbe, learn to google… and if you flounce, stick to the flounce!

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

Dunbe doesn’t seem to have noticed all the times that women who fight against sexism toward men get threatened – by MRAs. They are very keen on maintaining the toxic masculinity that feminists are trying to do away with. Though with Dunbe’s backwards logic he probably thinks that’s attacking men and/or turning them into manginas.

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

* by they I mean MRAs of course, not the feminists

Bina
10 years ago

Oh wooky, it’s our widdle twoll again. Just like all of them, he says “bye” whenever he’s trapped (and we all know it), but then comes back to poop on another thread and pretend he won whatever argument he’s lost. That’s cute, troll. And so are all your tired trollish tropes, too. Like this one:

There are many precedents of feminists falsely accusing MRAs of threatening them. I’m not saying that’s the case here but since you were speculating on likelihoods, I’m offering another possibility. In fact, maintaining victim status is a central pillar of feminist power.

Auggz, I’ll see your “citations needed” and raise you a loud “BULLSHIT!” on the last assertion. And I’m gonna prove it’s bullshit with my own lived experience.

Hey troll, do you know how I “maintained victim status” after a pervert came on to me in his moving car? I’ll tell you how:

1. I tried, without much success, to put the grotesque incident out of my mind. After all, I had an education to pursue.

2. I tried to tell others what he did to me, but didn’t get a whole lot of help. They made excuses: “Oh poor X, he has a sick wife, blah blah.”

3. I avoided him thereafter, and caught my rides home with someone else.

4. I did not stop attending that writers’ group.

5. I did not stop attending university.

6. I did not go to police, because he didn’t get violent, there was no material evidence of an assault, and I would only have been laughed at by those paper-pushing doughnut-munchers anyway. And I knew that.

7. I didn’t talk much about it after I tried to tell the other writers and got fobbed off. I just went on living.

8. I did, however, eventually make my way to the Queen’s Women’s Centre as a volunteer. I didn’t talk about it there, though. By then I was tired of trying to tell and not being believed. Instead, I focused on larger problems.

9. Oh yeah, and when the Montréal Massacre happened? I spent my last semester fearing for my life, looking over my shoulder, wondering if some deranged gunman was going to come after me too, volunteering for the Women’s Centre…and completing my degree.

10. I kept all this pretty much to myself for the last 25-odd years, and only started talking about it again recently.

11. In the meantime, I went on writing, living, looking for jobs, working, got another degree, and went on writing. I also taught myself a couple of foreign languages (I discovered the knack at university, between all manner of incidents of sexist grotesquery) and am now a semi-professional translator.

Please tell me how I did at “maintaining victim status”, troll. Go on, now. Really!

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