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After a feminist activist at Queen’s University reports being attacked, possibly by an MRA, the king of “f their sh*t up” responds with angry denial

Paul Elam: Anger is "pulsing through my veins like molten lava" at the very notion that MRAs are violent.
Paul Elam: Anger is “pulsing through my veins like molten lava.”

A student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, says she was attacked and beaten by a strange man after receiving threatening messages about her opposition to a Men’s Rights group on campus. On Thursday, Danielle d’Entremont posted a picture of her bruised face to Facebook along with this explanation:

Just walked out of my house and got attacked by a stranger. I was punched in the face multiple times and lost half my tooth. This was after a few threatening emails regarding my support for feminist activities on campus. I can’t say for sure if the two are connected, however the attacker was a male who knew my name.

The campus Men’s Issues Awareness Society (MIAS) – the group d’Entremont has been fighting – has condemned the attack, as has the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), which co-sponsored a talk the MIAS put on Thursday. The police are investigating.

Right now, this is pretty much all we know about the story. Not that it this has stopped MRAs from offering their very fervent opinions on the matter.

Before we get to them, here are a few of my own:

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise. Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists – or indeed challenge sexism in any sufficiently public manner – often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

While most prominent MRAs are smart enough to avoid making specific threats of physical violence in public, their “activist” campaigns often target individual women, often college students and individual activists rather than women with any real power in society, almost certainly because those with less power are easier to intimidate.

And for all their talk of being the “civil rights movement” of the 21st century, Men’s Rights activists rely on rhetoric steeped in violence and hatred. It wasn’t Martin Luther King who declared of his opponents that “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.” It was Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, probably the most influential Men’s Rights activist on the scene right now.

I don’t know who attacked d’Entremont. But given the number of threats being made towards feminist activists on a daily basis, it is inevitable that women (and perhaps some men) who’ve publicly opposed the Men’s Rights movement will be the targets of real violence. Inevitable.

And much of the responsibility for this violence will rest with Elam and other Men’s Rights leaders who have deliberately stoked the anger and hatred of their followers and directed much of it at individual female scapegoats. If your favorite slogan is “Fuck Their Shit Up” you can’t pretend you’re an innocent angel when someone inspired by your words actually does Fuck Someone’s Shit Up.

And it doesn’t help when MRAs like Elam try to make violence against women into a kind of joke. Here, at left, is a screenshot from a notorious post by Elam promoting his supposedly “satirical” notion of turning Domestic Violence Awareness Month into Bash a Violent Bitch Month; yes, that picture ran, with that caption, on Elam’s original post. At right, the picture of herself that d’Entremont posted to her Facebook page.

[TRIGGER WARNING for images of violence against women. Post continues after picture.]

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Of course, this isn’t how Elam and his friends see the issue. The moment the story of the attack broke, a special A Voice for Men Flying Squad of commenters descended upon the website of the student newspaper of Queens University to set forth all the reasons they thought d’Entremont was a lying liar. Attila Vinczer, AVFM’s offical “Activism Director,” was especially active:

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Yeah, Attila, I’m pretty sure criminal investigations don’t work like that.

Meanwhile, AVFM Contributing Editor Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan attempted to minimize d’Entremont’s injuries in a rather inventive way:

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But it was Elam himself who launched the most vociferous attack on d’Entremont; indeed, in a long and rage-filled post titled “A whiff of bullshit at Queen’s University,” he declared that the very notion that MRAs might pose a threat to feminist activists to be a “scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

Huh. I’m pretty sure I didn’t make up the hundreds of abusive and/or threatening messages that a certain red-haired feminist activist received for the crime of yelling at a couple of A Voice for Men dudes on camera once. Or those received by Rebecca Watson for the crime of suggesting that maybe dudes shouldn’t hit on gals who are riding a hotel elevator alone at 4 AM. Or those received by any of countless other women who have found themselves labeled enemy-of-the-week by MRAs, antifeminists, and other misogynistic creeps online.

Oh, and there was that creepy threatening phone message I got at 1:38 AM one December from one of AVFM’s own activists who was too dumb to hide his own identity properly.

But in any case, Elam for some reason has decided that the best way to convince the world that MRAs are reasonable people who would never resort to violence is to declare that he is overcome by his own anger. No, really:

[N]ow I am angry. I am 100% completely, undeniably pissed off bordering on rage. It won’t last, but for the moment it is pulsing through my veins like molten lava.

And what makes him angry? The very thought that someone might assume that a woman who was an active opponent of an Men’s Rights organization might have been targeted because of her activism — and assaulted by an MRA who, like Elam, might have had anger “pulsing through [his] veins like molten lava.”

There’s really not much more to Elam’s post than that. He makes a joke about d’Entremont trolling for “likes” on Facebook for the picture of her beaten face. He demands “proof” and predicts there will be none:

There will never be any evidence that she was attacked by an MHRA. They will probably not catch her supposed “attacker,” and the incident will wind up unresolved because there is no evidence to make a case against anyone, or at the very least not against any MHRA. The story will still get major traction with feminist ideologues, though, who will use it to mischaracterize MHRAs as violent so they can continue to attack the formation of new men’s issues groups.

And then he starts his rant in earnest:

I want to hear a police official say they have reason to believe it was men’s activists, and then share the identity of the person of interest with the public. I want them to make inquiries to this website to look for leads. With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

I want to know for sure that this woman, who posts this shit to her Facebook page but does not want to be identified, and her friend, who also does not want to be identified, are not both liars.

I want to see, with all the wolf crying that feminists have done about MHRAs, one tiny, even microscopic shred of fucking proof of anything they say.

I want to know if they are more credible than the zombie apocalypse. Rather I should say I would like to see them prove they are for a change.

And if my hunch, check that, experience, is right, and there are lies involved in this case, I want to see those responsible go to jail just as much as I want to see her attacker, if he actually exists, do the same.

Huh. That’s a lot of demands, Paul. I’m pretty sure the police have more pressing priorities in their investigation than mollifying the narcissistic rage of an internet ranter.

But I think we can see what is happening here: Unless the police are able to quickly identify and arrest a man who is clearly associated with a Men’s Rights group for this crime, and unless he is quickly convicted of this crime, MRAs – led by Elam and his followers – are going to declare d’Entremont a “false accuser” if not an outright hoaxer, and target her for further harassment and abuse. All while loudly proclaiming that they are the real victims here. (Never mind that they never apply even a fraction of such skepticism towards the tall tales of feminist oppression told by serial fabricators like John Hembling.)

Elam ends his post with these inspiring words:

Please note: AVfM is in the middle of its Spring Fundraiser. Please help us continue to spread the message. Click here to contribute.

Because A Voice for Men LLC, after all, is a business – albeit one that’s apparently forbidden from conducting business in the state of Texas – and its business is hate.

EDITED TO ADD: John Hembling — AVFM’s “Director, Public Policy” and “Editor at Large” — has weighed in with his own take on the attack, which he has puzzlingly titled “Don’t Bash a Violent Bitch,” helpfully illustrated with a picture of a nerdy fellow brandishing a fist. (Classy!) In it he loudly proclaims to be shocked — shocked! — that anyone could imagine any MRA could be responsible for such a crime, which is totally opposed to everything that the peace-loving Men’s Human Rights Movement stands for.

Then he goes on to argue that “Slugger d’Entremont” (!?) is an “asshole” who probably brought this upon herself by being such an asshole:

I expect that whoever bashed Danielle d’Entremont in the face is somebody she knows, who has been dealing with her for years. Maybe her attempt to silence Professor Fiamengo was what did it, maybe it was something else. The timing of the incident, thus far, does not indicate a connection.

Really? The attack happened the night before Fiamengo’s lecture.

An individual attempting to censor and silence somebody speaking on human rights concerns of any group, men or otherwise, is likely an individual that’s an asshole with a past.

How exactly she is a “violent bitch” he never exactly explains. Perhaps someone else wrote the headline. It’s not like there’s a shortage of “editors” at AVFM eager to blame the victim of this particular crime.

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neuroticbeagle
neuroticbeagle
10 years ago

So I guess that means men are dogs. Nice job, AVfM.

No. No they are NOT dogs:

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b1/af/2f/b1af2fad726f8d07a4e686b17c0d95cd.jpg

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

told him to get off the computer and go to bed once!

Ha ha. Sometimes need to tell me that same thing right now. I promise I won’t blame them for turning me into a horrible person.

I think maybe the spider picture is saying that it’s irrational to be afraid of men the same way it’s irrational to be afraid of spiders? The picture is not really in a good position to be calling anything else irrational though.

kittehserf
10 years ago

One more bit of stupid is that it isn’t irrational to be wary of spiders – there are plenty whose venom is dangerous to humans. They’re talking as if women jump and scream every time we see either a spider or a man.

Hmm, be fun to see the MRAs dumped in somewhere in Oz and see how not-frightened they are of some of our spiders.

I’d rather have to deal with a nasty big spider than an MRA, though. They’re easy enough to get rid of, you can spray them at last resort, and they’re not actually choosing their behaviour. They’re venomous, but not malicious.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

The point does seem to be that because it’s irrational to be afraid of spiders, it’s irrational to be afraid of men. The problem is, it’s actually not irrational to be afraid of spiders. Many species are poisonous to humans. Also, spiders are predators.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Ninja’d by Kitteh!

trans_commie
10 years ago

[Content note: abuse, sexual violence, murder]

Things that dangerous spiders can do to you:

-scare you for a little bit
-trigger arachnophobia if you have it
-send you to the hospital due to a harmful bite that is either lethal or destructive in some other way (although anti-venom is widely available and for that reason many people never suffer significantly from spider bites)

Things that dangerous men can do to you:

-rape you
-sexually assault you
-physically assault you
-kill you
-enslave you
-make you feel worthless
-make you feel unworthy of love
-inflict trauma on you
-demean and insult you for existing
-control your life and well-being through money
-catcall you
-sexually harass you
-kidnap you and use you for sex trafficking
-control your reproductive health
-bully you to the point of gaining severe psychological illnesses such as anorexia
-sexually degrade you in various other ways
-take away your children (if you have them) and then further harm them
-do all of the above with the added impact of racism, colonialism, heterosexism, transmisogyny, and ableism (should those axes apply).

…Yep.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I could really get to like spiders after reading that list.

trans_commie
10 years ago

[Content note: spiders]

Our old house in Colorado had so many brown recluses that I saw one just casually crawling towards my mom’s shoulder once when we were watching Star Trek. Not a happy memory.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Argh, that’s like when a huntsman came running up the bed while Mum was in it, a few weeks ago. At least huntsmen’s bites aren’t serious.

trans_commie
10 years ago

@David

Good GOD, he is so full of fluff. His response can be summarized as “I don’t care – you deserve it!” and “Harassment is just ‘rough talk'”.

Dude, “rough talk” is when someone calls you an asshole or says you’re stupid. It’s not when you fucking threaten someone with harm, violate their boundaries (which can happen regardless of the sincerity of those threats), and generally make them feel unsafe.

He is so creepy. I’ll have him fucking know that being sexually harassed as a child was a form of abuse and to this day I have to cope with its effects on me.

Ugh.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Well. Well.

There are some truly truly horrible people out there.

Paul Elam is waaaaaay more frightening than anything Stephen King ever dreamed up.

Bina
10 years ago

I would be deeply saddened if such a connection were substantiated, but as you say, you can only kick a dog so many times before it will finally bite you.

“All men are dogs!” –Karen Straughan, misandrist.

Also, she’s wrong about battered women’s shelters. Erin Pizzey didn’t come up with that idea all by herself. The concept dates all the way back to medieval times, when battered wives fled to convents for refuge from abusive husbands. The only men allowed in there were (ostensibly) celibate priests. There was even a church-Latin term for women in that situation: Malmaritate.

So…misandrist AND lousy historian.

Greatest Human Rights Movement In The History of Evar, youz guyz.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Kitteh,
I had to look up Huntsman spiders. Yikes! The weather here in Minnesota might be terrible, but the upside is that we don’t have terrifying fauna.

Bina
10 years ago

“But no matter what you do, you are going to see a lot more of the things you don’t like in the future. I don’t mean that in the way of violent threats and continued fixation on your rectum, but in much more organized, high impact consequences for those of your ilk, courtesy of the men’s movement.

Simply put, we are coming for you. All of you.

And by the time we are done you will wax nostalgic over the days when all you had to deal with was someone expressing a desire to fuck you up your shopworn ass.”

So…Paulie, like his godfather Warren, is an ass man.

Typical. 🙄

Octo
Octo
10 years ago

Those people truly believe that if you’re outspoken (and a woman) you *should* get beaten.

Those people WELL AND TRULY believe that if you’re outspoken, you *should* get beaten. FUCK those scumbags. What utter vermin.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I had to look up Huntsman spiders. Yikes! The weather here in Minnesota might be terrible, but the upside is that we don’t have terrifying fauna.

Hmm … tosses up the pros and cons of moving to Minnesota …

Is it a red state or blue state?

Bina
10 years ago

Not only do they think we should be beaten, they also think we should be ass-raped.

Yeah. Greatest Human Rights Movement of All Time.

takshak
takshak
10 years ago

I’m not afraid of spiders I can *see*, it’s the ones that decide to join me in the shower without asking that I’m not happy about. Honestly, most of them are kinda cute, with those big, dark eyes. those many, many big dark eyes….

kittehserf
10 years ago

But remember youse guys, just because MRAs want to rape and beat women doesn’t mean we’ve any right to suggest they’re violent! Just because beating women is men’s right when women get mouthy doesn’t mean we’ve any right to think they’re dogs think they’re spiders be wary or afraid of them!

kittehserf
10 years ago

I’m not afraid of spiders I can *see*, it’s the ones that decide to join me in the shower without asking that I’m not happy about. Honestly, most of them are kinda cute, with those big, dark eyes. those many, many big dark eyes….

You think that image is scary, just look at this. (Mercifully it’s not real …)

Octo
Octo
10 years ago

Also, the pure entitlement of that Attila guy. Somebody gets violently beaten and his first reaction is to wax on about his own imagined plight. A woman gets beaten, and he goes on about how men are oppressed.

Or of course Elam’s entitlement, his attitude – more even, his clearly expressed thought that it’s men’s good right to harass women on the internet.

Damn, those people have their heads so far up their asses…

Octo
Octo
10 years ago

Jesus, kitteh!

To be fair, I really should have known better than to click that image.
(Hint to people as thoughtless as me: Don’t!)

Bina
10 years ago

And of course, rape culture doesn’t exist. Never mind that when I went to Queen’s, 25 years ago, we had to deal with signs in the windows of the men’s residences reading “No Means Kick Her In The Teeth”, and other equally charming and gentlemanly sentiments. Never mind that the Montréal Massacre happened when I was volunteering at the Queen’s Women’s Centre, and I spent my last four months there (Arts ’90, represent!) fearing for my life. Never mind that an older man in the local writers’ group I attended waited until he had me in a moving car before making HIS move.

No, of course there’s no problem with misogyny in our culture, or rape, or murderous violence against women. Yes, of course Kingston is safe! See how much it’s changed in the last quarter century? Silly ladies! Here, let me shine a little gaslight in your eyes…and does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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