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After a feminist activist at Queen’s University reports being attacked, possibly by an MRA, the king of “f their sh*t up” responds with angry denial

Paul Elam: Anger is "pulsing through my veins like molten lava" at the very notion that MRAs are violent.
Paul Elam: Anger is “pulsing through my veins like molten lava.”

A student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, says she was attacked and beaten by a strange man after receiving threatening messages about her opposition to a Men’s Rights group on campus. On Thursday, Danielle d’Entremont posted a picture of her bruised face to Facebook along with this explanation:

Just walked out of my house and got attacked by a stranger. I was punched in the face multiple times and lost half my tooth. This was after a few threatening emails regarding my support for feminist activities on campus. I can’t say for sure if the two are connected, however the attacker was a male who knew my name.

The campus Men’s Issues Awareness Society (MIAS) – the group d’Entremont has been fighting – has condemned the attack, as has the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), which co-sponsored a talk the MIAS put on Thursday. The police are investigating.

Right now, this is pretty much all we know about the story. Not that it this has stopped MRAs from offering their very fervent opinions on the matter.

Before we get to them, here are a few of my own:

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise. Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists – or indeed challenge sexism in any sufficiently public manner – often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

While most prominent MRAs are smart enough to avoid making specific threats of physical violence in public, their “activist” campaigns often target individual women, often college students and individual activists rather than women with any real power in society, almost certainly because those with less power are easier to intimidate.

And for all their talk of being the “civil rights movement” of the 21st century, Men’s Rights activists rely on rhetoric steeped in violence and hatred. It wasn’t Martin Luther King who declared of his opponents that “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.” It was Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, probably the most influential Men’s Rights activist on the scene right now.

I don’t know who attacked d’Entremont. But given the number of threats being made towards feminist activists on a daily basis, it is inevitable that women (and perhaps some men) who’ve publicly opposed the Men’s Rights movement will be the targets of real violence. Inevitable.

And much of the responsibility for this violence will rest with Elam and other Men’s Rights leaders who have deliberately stoked the anger and hatred of their followers and directed much of it at individual female scapegoats. If your favorite slogan is “Fuck Their Shit Up” you can’t pretend you’re an innocent angel when someone inspired by your words actually does Fuck Someone’s Shit Up.

And it doesn’t help when MRAs like Elam try to make violence against women into a kind of joke. Here, at left, is a screenshot from a notorious post by Elam promoting his supposedly “satirical” notion of turning Domestic Violence Awareness Month into Bash a Violent Bitch Month; yes, that picture ran, with that caption, on Elam’s original post. At right, the picture of herself that d’Entremont posted to her Facebook page.

[TRIGGER WARNING for images of violence against women. Post continues after picture.]

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Of course, this isn’t how Elam and his friends see the issue. The moment the story of the attack broke, a special A Voice for Men Flying Squad of commenters descended upon the website of the student newspaper of Queens University to set forth all the reasons they thought d’Entremont was a lying liar. Attila Vinczer, AVFM’s offical “Activism Director,” was especially active:

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Yeah, Attila, I’m pretty sure criminal investigations don’t work like that.

Meanwhile, AVFM Contributing Editor Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan attempted to minimize d’Entremont’s injuries in a rather inventive way:

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But it was Elam himself who launched the most vociferous attack on d’Entremont; indeed, in a long and rage-filled post titled “A whiff of bullshit at Queen’s University,” he declared that the very notion that MRAs might pose a threat to feminist activists to be a “scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

Huh. I’m pretty sure I didn’t make up the hundreds of abusive and/or threatening messages that a certain red-haired feminist activist received for the crime of yelling at a couple of A Voice for Men dudes on camera once. Or those received by Rebecca Watson for the crime of suggesting that maybe dudes shouldn’t hit on gals who are riding a hotel elevator alone at 4 AM. Or those received by any of countless other women who have found themselves labeled enemy-of-the-week by MRAs, antifeminists, and other misogynistic creeps online.

Oh, and there was that creepy threatening phone message I got at 1:38 AM one December from one of AVFM’s own activists who was too dumb to hide his own identity properly.

But in any case, Elam for some reason has decided that the best way to convince the world that MRAs are reasonable people who would never resort to violence is to declare that he is overcome by his own anger. No, really:

[N]ow I am angry. I am 100% completely, undeniably pissed off bordering on rage. It won’t last, but for the moment it is pulsing through my veins like molten lava.

And what makes him angry? The very thought that someone might assume that a woman who was an active opponent of an Men’s Rights organization might have been targeted because of her activism — and assaulted by an MRA who, like Elam, might have had anger “pulsing through [his] veins like molten lava.”

There’s really not much more to Elam’s post than that. He makes a joke about d’Entremont trolling for “likes” on Facebook for the picture of her beaten face. He demands “proof” and predicts there will be none:

There will never be any evidence that she was attacked by an MHRA. They will probably not catch her supposed “attacker,” and the incident will wind up unresolved because there is no evidence to make a case against anyone, or at the very least not against any MHRA. The story will still get major traction with feminist ideologues, though, who will use it to mischaracterize MHRAs as violent so they can continue to attack the formation of new men’s issues groups.

And then he starts his rant in earnest:

I want to hear a police official say they have reason to believe it was men’s activists, and then share the identity of the person of interest with the public. I want them to make inquiries to this website to look for leads. With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

I want to know for sure that this woman, who posts this shit to her Facebook page but does not want to be identified, and her friend, who also does not want to be identified, are not both liars.

I want to see, with all the wolf crying that feminists have done about MHRAs, one tiny, even microscopic shred of fucking proof of anything they say.

I want to know if they are more credible than the zombie apocalypse. Rather I should say I would like to see them prove they are for a change.

And if my hunch, check that, experience, is right, and there are lies involved in this case, I want to see those responsible go to jail just as much as I want to see her attacker, if he actually exists, do the same.

Huh. That’s a lot of demands, Paul. I’m pretty sure the police have more pressing priorities in their investigation than mollifying the narcissistic rage of an internet ranter.

But I think we can see what is happening here: Unless the police are able to quickly identify and arrest a man who is clearly associated with a Men’s Rights group for this crime, and unless he is quickly convicted of this crime, MRAs – led by Elam and his followers – are going to declare d’Entremont a “false accuser” if not an outright hoaxer, and target her for further harassment and abuse. All while loudly proclaiming that they are the real victims here. (Never mind that they never apply even a fraction of such skepticism towards the tall tales of feminist oppression told by serial fabricators like John Hembling.)

Elam ends his post with these inspiring words:

Please note: AVfM is in the middle of its Spring Fundraiser. Please help us continue to spread the message. Click here to contribute.

Because A Voice for Men LLC, after all, is a business – albeit one that’s apparently forbidden from conducting business in the state of Texas – and its business is hate.

EDITED TO ADD: John Hembling — AVFM’s “Director, Public Policy” and “Editor at Large” — has weighed in with his own take on the attack, which he has puzzlingly titled “Don’t Bash a Violent Bitch,” helpfully illustrated with a picture of a nerdy fellow brandishing a fist. (Classy!) In it he loudly proclaims to be shocked — shocked! — that anyone could imagine any MRA could be responsible for such a crime, which is totally opposed to everything that the peace-loving Men’s Human Rights Movement stands for.

Then he goes on to argue that “Slugger d’Entremont” (!?) is an “asshole” who probably brought this upon herself by being such an asshole:

I expect that whoever bashed Danielle d’Entremont in the face is somebody she knows, who has been dealing with her for years. Maybe her attempt to silence Professor Fiamengo was what did it, maybe it was something else. The timing of the incident, thus far, does not indicate a connection.

Really? The attack happened the night before Fiamengo’s lecture.

An individual attempting to censor and silence somebody speaking on human rights concerns of any group, men or otherwise, is likely an individual that’s an asshole with a past.

How exactly she is a “violent bitch” he never exactly explains. Perhaps someone else wrote the headline. It’s not like there’s a shortage of “editors” at AVFM eager to blame the victim of this particular crime.

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hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I would be deeply saddened if such a connection were substantiated, but as you say, you can only kick a dog so many times before it will finally bite you.

Ah, yes, she would be so sad if this were true. Uh-huh. Such bullshit, very lie, wow.

vaiyt
10 years ago

“We do not condone violence, but they totally deserved it” is the cry of cowardly bigots of all stripes when someone takes their rhetoric to its logical conclusion.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Attila also thinks it’s totally reasonable that he should personally have the opportunity to harass and intimidate the victim.

trans_commie
10 years ago

I would be deeply saddened if such a connection were substantiated, but as you say, you can only kick a dog so many times before it will finally bite you.

So I guess that means men are dogs. Nice job, AVfM.

kittehserf
10 years ago

On the right thread: Heeeeere’s Paullly!

trans_commie
10 years ago

LOL kitteh

The only thing that’s missing is the creepy smile.

Speaking of that, I have never seen Elam smile, and I don’t think I ever want to. Hell, I don’t want to see any MRA smile. Yeesh.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: scelerata

Now if only Texas would eject Warren Chisum…

Also, TURTLE! @_@

RE: Brooked’s link

She has also commented that it is a testimonial to men’s patience, resilience and forgiving natures that they are not “exploding” all over the place.

Wow. So apparently I should be worshipped and have my ass kissed because I’m not violently attacking people. Jesus, that’s not a disgustingly low standard for men at all.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Hey, those asses aren’t going to kiss themselves, you know.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Ally, yeah, I looked to see if there were any of Elam smiling but didn’t find any suitable. There’s an interview one where he looks like he’s losing it, but it’s in profile. I thought this one was pretty close overall. 😀

I’ve put in the Manboobzer folder on Deviantart, too.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Hey, those asses aren’t going to kiss themselves, you know.

Oh yes they are!

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Psh. I want my ass kissed, I have a HUSBAND for that.

But seriously, nobody has lower opinions of men than the MRAs. Eesh.

saintnick86
saintnick86
10 years ago

So, their reaction to a anger-fueled and violent incident is to…act angry and violent towards the person assaulted?

Yeah – stay classy, you assholes…

saintnick86
saintnick86
10 years ago

I’ve had more facial bruising and swelling from vigorous sex than she seems to have.

No one wanted to hear that, Karen. No one.

Quackers
Quackers
10 years ago

Just like women should kiss “nice guys” ass and reward them with sex because “hey I didn’t rape you while you were passed out drunk, give me a gold star!” We should kiss their ass for not punching women in the face when they get too darn uppity and disagree with them!

No. Basic human decency is not worthy of reward. Men are not animals ready to snap when they don’t get their way and GWW is a fucked up person to think men are just doing the hardest thing ever by not acting like violent animals.

It’s almost like MRAs are the ones who think men are uncontrolable violent animals that need to be appeased, not feminists.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: saintnick86

No one wanted to hear that, Karen. No one.

Also, just because SHE’S into it doesn’t mean someone should be okay with being assaulted by some random dude. I mean, Jesus, how hard is this?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I mean, I’m sitting here eating curry udon, but I’m not going to make Kittehs eat it because I know she won’t like it. Why do people think that the principle that different people like different things doesn’t apply to sex?

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

@Cloudiah
Wow. Just Wow.

I assume Attila is just thumping his chest for the AVFM internet crowd, and won’t actually try to swoop in and defend the MRA’s good name, by doing… stuff?

If he does go to to the police station, I’d love to see video of him demanding to information this assault case and interview the victim. It be fun to watch him introduce himself and blather on about MRA while the police stare dumbfounded at him.

saintnick86
saintnick86
10 years ago

Also, just because SHE’S into it doesn’t mean someone should be okay with being assaulted by some random dude. I mean, Jesus, how hard is this?

Not that MRAs give a shit about consent and what that involves…

kobun37
10 years ago

Just this morning someone quoted Elam at FSTDT.net in a post where he says:

“But no matter what you do, you are going to see a lot more of the things you don’t like in the future. I don’t mean that in the way of violent threats and continued fixation on your rectum, but in much more organized, high impact consequences for those of your ilk, courtesy of the men’s movement.

Simply put, we are coming for you. All of you.

And by the time we are done you will wax nostalgic over the days when all you had to deal with was someone expressing a desire to fuck you up your shopworn ass.”

But he’s a nonviolent civil rights leader and is just shocked, SHOCKED I tell you that someone possibly affiliated with his “movement” could physically attack someone.

*COUGH*

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Elam’s on record as saying “consent is not required,” which sums the MRM up nicely.

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Ummm . . . can I go on a little tangent here? I just went to AVfMen’s FB page because I was curious about what they might be saying about this case. But I found something really bizarre.

This picture of a spider means rape culture is propaganda:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=631192023602949&set=a.607729695949182.1073741826.102001393188684&type=1&theater

trans_commie
10 years ago

Let’s play a little scoring game here:

But no matter what you do, you are going to see a lot more of the things you don’t like in the future.

Veiled threat of harm! +3

I don’t mean that in the way of violent threats

Obvious self-contradiction implying disingenuousness! +2

and continued fixation on your rectum,

Disgusting hidden rape joke! +3

but in much more organized, high impact consequences for those of your ilk, courtesy of the men’s movement.

Veiled threat of harm! +3

Simply put, we are coming for you. All of you.

Explicit threat of harm! +5

And by the time we are done you will wax nostalgic over the days when all you had to deal with was someone expressing a desire to fuck you up your shopworn ass.

Trivialization of sexual harassment! Slut-shaming! Another veiled threat implying harm worse than being sexually harassed! +5 +5 +10

Total Terrible Human Being score: 36/10

They must be so proud.

kittehserf
10 years ago

grumpycat – that is weird. Are they saying women see men as spiders ready to bite? Or are they pretending that female spiders sometimes killing male spiders after mating has anything to do with humans?

Presumably they’re not referring to rock-spiders, the term for pedophiles, though that would make more sense than anything else in that poster. “Women, this child rapist isn’t interested in you, but it’s your fault he’s a child rapist anyway, because you, who are exactly like his mother, told him to get off the computer and go to bed once!”

trans_commie
10 years ago

@grumpycatisagirl

[Content note: rape, transmisogyny]

Ah, more erasure of women’s fear of male violence under patriarchy. Yes, I do fear a lot of men I don’t know well – probably because the vast majority of people who have abused me are men. Blame the rape culture, not me, for not trusting every single man on the street.

I admit that one reason (not the only one) I want to get bottom surgery is that I’m terrified by the possibility of a man being violent towards me after discovering my “male” genitals. Of course cis women can be hateful and dangerous as well, but the risk of being hurt by cis women is lower. I have actually had a nightmare once about a man verbally abusing, raping, and then murdering me for being a trans woman.

Also,

“If we don’t love the men in our lives, we raise what we hate.”

More veiled threats, more victim-blaming. It’s as though they’re misogynists or something.