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After a feminist activist at Queen’s University reports being attacked, possibly by an MRA, the king of “f their sh*t up” responds with angry denial

Paul Elam: Anger is "pulsing through my veins like molten lava" at the very notion that MRAs are violent.
Paul Elam: Anger is “pulsing through my veins like molten lava.”

A student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, says she was attacked and beaten by a strange man after receiving threatening messages about her opposition to a Men’s Rights group on campus. On Thursday, Danielle d’Entremont posted a picture of her bruised face to Facebook along with this explanation:

Just walked out of my house and got attacked by a stranger. I was punched in the face multiple times and lost half my tooth. This was after a few threatening emails regarding my support for feminist activities on campus. I can’t say for sure if the two are connected, however the attacker was a male who knew my name.

The campus Men’s Issues Awareness Society (MIAS) – the group d’Entremont has been fighting – has condemned the attack, as has the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), which co-sponsored a talk the MIAS put on Thursday. The police are investigating.

Right now, this is pretty much all we know about the story. Not that it this has stopped MRAs from offering their very fervent opinions on the matter.

Before we get to them, here are a few of my own:

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise. Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists – or indeed challenge sexism in any sufficiently public manner – often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

While most prominent MRAs are smart enough to avoid making specific threats of physical violence in public, their “activist” campaigns often target individual women, often college students and individual activists rather than women with any real power in society, almost certainly because those with less power are easier to intimidate.

And for all their talk of being the “civil rights movement” of the 21st century, Men’s Rights activists rely on rhetoric steeped in violence and hatred. It wasn’t Martin Luther King who declared of his opponents that “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.” It was Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, probably the most influential Men’s Rights activist on the scene right now.

I don’t know who attacked d’Entremont. But given the number of threats being made towards feminist activists on a daily basis, it is inevitable that women (and perhaps some men) who’ve publicly opposed the Men’s Rights movement will be the targets of real violence. Inevitable.

And much of the responsibility for this violence will rest with Elam and other Men’s Rights leaders who have deliberately stoked the anger and hatred of their followers and directed much of it at individual female scapegoats. If your favorite slogan is “Fuck Their Shit Up” you can’t pretend you’re an innocent angel when someone inspired by your words actually does Fuck Someone’s Shit Up.

And it doesn’t help when MRAs like Elam try to make violence against women into a kind of joke. Here, at left, is a screenshot from a notorious post by Elam promoting his supposedly “satirical” notion of turning Domestic Violence Awareness Month into Bash a Violent Bitch Month; yes, that picture ran, with that caption, on Elam’s original post. At right, the picture of herself that d’Entremont posted to her Facebook page.

[TRIGGER WARNING for images of violence against women. Post continues after picture.]

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Of course, this isn’t how Elam and his friends see the issue. The moment the story of the attack broke, a special A Voice for Men Flying Squad of commenters descended upon the website of the student newspaper of Queens University to set forth all the reasons they thought d’Entremont was a lying liar. Attila Vinczer, AVFM’s offical “Activism Director,” was especially active:

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Yeah, Attila, I’m pretty sure criminal investigations don’t work like that.

Meanwhile, AVFM Contributing Editor Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan attempted to minimize d’Entremont’s injuries in a rather inventive way:

QUkarenOther commenters (evidently not affiliated with AVFM) offered variations on “she had it coming to her.”

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But it was Elam himself who launched the most vociferous attack on d’Entremont; indeed, in a long and rage-filled post titled “A whiff of bullshit at Queen’s University,” he declared that the very notion that MRAs might pose a threat to feminist activists to be a “scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

Huh. I’m pretty sure I didn’t make up the hundreds of abusive and/or threatening messages that a certain red-haired feminist activist received for the crime of yelling at a couple of A Voice for Men dudes on camera once. Or those received by Rebecca Watson for the crime of suggesting that maybe dudes shouldn’t hit on gals who are riding a hotel elevator alone at 4 AM. Or those received by any of countless other women who have found themselves labeled enemy-of-the-week by MRAs, antifeminists, and other misogynistic creeps online.

Oh, and there was that creepy threatening phone message I got at 1:38 AM one December from one of AVFM’s own activists who was too dumb to hide his own identity properly.

But in any case, Elam for some reason has decided that the best way to convince the world that MRAs are reasonable people who would never resort to violence is to declare that he is overcome by his own anger. No, really:

[N]ow I am angry. I am 100% completely, undeniably pissed off bordering on rage. It won’t last, but for the moment it is pulsing through my veins like molten lava.

And what makes him angry? The very thought that someone might assume that a woman who was an active opponent of an Men’s Rights organization might have been targeted because of her activism — and assaulted by an MRA who, like Elam, might have had anger “pulsing through [his] veins like molten lava.”

There’s really not much more to Elam’s post than that. He makes a joke about d’Entremont trolling for “likes” on Facebook for the picture of her beaten face. He demands “proof” and predicts there will be none:

There will never be any evidence that she was attacked by an MHRA. They will probably not catch her supposed “attacker,” and the incident will wind up unresolved because there is no evidence to make a case against anyone, or at the very least not against any MHRA. The story will still get major traction with feminist ideologues, though, who will use it to mischaracterize MHRAs as violent so they can continue to attack the formation of new men’s issues groups.

And then he starts his rant in earnest:

I want to hear a police official say they have reason to believe it was men’s activists, and then share the identity of the person of interest with the public. I want them to make inquiries to this website to look for leads. With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

I want to know for sure that this woman, who posts this shit to her Facebook page but does not want to be identified, and her friend, who also does not want to be identified, are not both liars.

I want to see, with all the wolf crying that feminists have done about MHRAs, one tiny, even microscopic shred of fucking proof of anything they say.

I want to know if they are more credible than the zombie apocalypse. Rather I should say I would like to see them prove they are for a change.

And if my hunch, check that, experience, is right, and there are lies involved in this case, I want to see those responsible go to jail just as much as I want to see her attacker, if he actually exists, do the same.

Huh. That’s a lot of demands, Paul. I’m pretty sure the police have more pressing priorities in their investigation than mollifying the narcissistic rage of an internet ranter.

But I think we can see what is happening here: Unless the police are able to quickly identify and arrest a man who is clearly associated with a Men’s Rights group for this crime, and unless he is quickly convicted of this crime, MRAs – led by Elam and his followers – are going to declare d’Entremont a “false accuser” if not an outright hoaxer, and target her for further harassment and abuse. All while loudly proclaiming that they are the real victims here. (Never mind that they never apply even a fraction of such skepticism towards the tall tales of feminist oppression told by serial fabricators like John Hembling.)

Elam ends his post with these inspiring words:

Please note: AVfM is in the middle of its Spring Fundraiser. Please help us continue to spread the message. Click here to contribute.

Because A Voice for Men LLC, after all, is a business – albeit one that’s apparently forbidden from conducting business in the state of Texas – and its business is hate.

EDITED TO ADD: John Hembling — AVFM’s “Director, Public Policy” and “Editor at Large” — has weighed in with his own take on the attack, which he has puzzlingly titled “Don’t Bash a Violent Bitch,” helpfully illustrated with a picture of a nerdy fellow brandishing a fist. (Classy!) In it he loudly proclaims to be shocked — shocked! — that anyone could imagine any MRA could be responsible for such a crime, which is totally opposed to everything that the peace-loving Men’s Human Rights Movement stands for.

Then he goes on to argue that “Slugger d’Entremont” (!?) is an “asshole” who probably brought this upon herself by being such an asshole:

I expect that whoever bashed Danielle d’Entremont in the face is somebody she knows, who has been dealing with her for years. Maybe her attempt to silence Professor Fiamengo was what did it, maybe it was something else. The timing of the incident, thus far, does not indicate a connection.

Really? The attack happened the night before Fiamengo’s lecture.

An individual attempting to censor and silence somebody speaking on human rights concerns of any group, men or otherwise, is likely an individual that’s an asshole with a past.

How exactly she is a “violent bitch” he never exactly explains. Perhaps someone else wrote the headline. It’s not like there’s a shortage of “editors” at AVFM eager to blame the victim of this particular crime.

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Feminism is actually a superhero. She has a cape and everything. But, in this case, clearly she failed in her task of jumping out of the bushes every time a man is about to hit a woman, but wait no it’s a woman about to throw the punch because men don’t do that, but wait no obviously this woman punched herself. So Feminism the Caped Superhero has failed in her duty to stop women punching themselves just so they can falsely accuse MRAs of being violent.

This would make so much more sense if I was drunk.

kittehserf
10 years ago

This would make so much more sense if I was drunk.

You’d have to be so drunk you’d be in danger of alcohol poisoning for anything MRAs say to make any sense.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

No shit. I’m not sure that I could punch myself in the face hard enough to knock out part of a tooth, and that’s before you even ask yourself why someone would do that.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Not to mention that even if you could, you’d have cut up knuckles to show for it.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

It’s like they’ve heard of the principle of Occam’s Razor and decided that reversing it would be a good plan.

scelerata
10 years ago

Well. At least my home state has some sense.

You know you’re unpleasant when even Texas doesn’t want you.

trans_commie
10 years ago

Yeah, I’m just not getting how GWW being genderqueer is really relevant to her shitty behavior towards women. I suppose it could partly explain why she’s so desperate for validation from MRAs, maybe, but I feel like speculating about how her genderqueerness influences her desire for validation from MRAs is getting into a really icky, privacy-invading place that I’d rather not go no matter how much I dislike her.

It’s not relevant at all, and I certainly don’t want to make the speculation you describe, either. When I said her genderqueerness is “important to bear in mind”, I was just saying that, while none of the criticisms against her are somehow invalidated because of her being genderqueer, it’s still a part of her identity that people should be aware of. Nevertheless, I evidently chose the wrong opportunity to bring it up.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

It’s not Occam’s razor, it’s Occam’s big paisley tie.
http://www.shakesville.com/2013/08/occams-big-paisley-tie.html

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
10 years ago

“scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

David! You’re an adjective! Is this new? What does it mean? Are you more cromulent or more frumious?

kittehserf
10 years ago

How does her being genderqueer have anything to do with the shit she spews out, Ally? Not snarking, I just don’t see how it’s relevant to her misogyny and desperate attempts to be in the MRBM treehouse. It’s a bit close to armchair-psych territory, I think.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Ally: if Hembling were gay, would we need to be aware of that? I’m not seeing where GWW’s identity is important. These are abusive people, period. The rest doesn’t matter.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

What’s a fantasy fiction spin game? Is it like a choose your own adventure novel with swords?

kittehserf
10 years ago

Cosplay Twister, maybe?

Lili Fugit
Lili Fugit
10 years ago

“Men don’t go around punching women,” he said. My eyes glazed over at that point, and I slid straight into a state of relieved, blissful zen. Everything would be all right now. After all, a man who loathes women just said “Men don’t go around punching women”, so everything must be fine.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Also I need some sort of shield for my monitor, every time I see Elam’s facial expression I jump and wonder where the axe is.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

And that’s probably one of Elam’s better pictures.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
10 years ago

With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

This is a lie. A whopper in fact. Elam is an enormous mendacious disembodied anus.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I scroll down really fast when I see eyeball-popping Here’s Paulllly.

Quackers
Quackers
10 years ago

JohntheOther Queen’s student
a day ago
“This is why we need feminism” Your comment is incoherent. It appears that feminism is a significant contributor to her alleged assault.

You heard it straight from the horse’s mouth: you believe differently from MRAs, thus you bring violence onto yourself. How are these filth NOT a hate group? How do they not realize it’s because of comments like these from MRA leaders that their groups are protested?

Have another

JohntheOther
a day ago
silly me, I forgot that if you forcibly censor, silence and marginalize people based on their race, religion or sex, and they have real grievances, they’ll just quietly go along with that censorship, and they’ll never react out of protracted frustration, or outrage, and above all, people denied any legitimate channels for redress of grievance will never react with violence. You’re completely right, and I was entirely wrong.

The only censorship here is having the threat of violence hanging over feminists heads when they engage in their legal right to protest. Censorship by fear and intimidation.

Someone should screencap those before they magically disappear. At the momemt I can’t. It’s from the comments under the queens journal article linked in the post.

House Mouse Queen
10 years ago

They truly are at a level of stupid and violent that nobody else can match. To me, they’re all Marc Lepine’s in waiting.

trans_commie
10 years ago

@kitteh

How does her being genderqueer have anything to do with the shit she spews out, Ally? Not snarking, I just don’t see how it’s relevant to her misogyny and desperate attempts to be in the MRBM treehouse. It’s a bit close to armchair-psych territory, I think.

Please read what I’ve said earlier. I didn’t bring up her gender because I wanted to talk about how it relates to the awful things she says. I brought it up just because people were talking about her.

Anyway, hellkell is right in that bringing up her gender is as relevant as bringing up JtO’s orientation. On top of that, no one here has ever misgendered her – not even unintentionally – because she’s a genderqueer woman. So I had no good reason to bring it up. Again, I’m very sorry for the confusion, and if possible, I would like to just drop this conversation now.

Bina
10 years ago

Men may not go around punching women, but the odds are pretty good that this one knew who he was targeting and lurked around until she came into view.

And, notwithstanding John the Bother’s “No True ScotsMRA” fallacy, I’m sure he WAS one of theirs. If not a known member of the group, then certainly an anonymous hanger-on.

Quackers
Quackers
10 years ago

I just read the edit above. It really just is nothing but excusing beating on someone who disagrees from your idealogy. The same way they downplay, excuse and/or rationlize online harrassment towards women because they dare express an opinion, evem one that sounds vaguely “feministy”
Unless you are a simpering feMRA, you get what you deserve. Hell even if she was an asshole, you don’t engage in violence just because someone is unlikable.

Sickening. Imagine anyone saying this about MRAs, would they say the same? Nope!

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

Forget the vigorous sex, GWW goes all in with victim blaming.

She’s answering a post questioning the paper decision to mention the men’s group threats.

Actually, the Journal has every right to report on the fact that there might be a connection–especially since the police acknowledge that possibility. I would be deeply saddened if such a connection were substantiated, but as you say, you can only kick a dog so many times before it will finally bite you.

Erin Pizzey (founder of the world’s first battered women’s shelter, and a vocal anti-domestic violence advocate for decades, after touring the country in the company of Senator Anne Cools, called Canada “the scariest place on earth to be a man”. She has also commented that it is a testimonial to men’s patience, resilience and forgiving natures that they are not “exploding” all over the place.

I keep getting reminded of an interview I saw with Praise Martin Oguike. [edit: Long anecdote about a Temple University football player being cleared of rape charges.] Despite the fact that he lost his scholarship and had gone through two years of hell, he said he didn’t want anything bad to happen to her–that revenge didn’t help anyone or solve anything. He just wanted to forgive and move on.

It’s almost like the most vocal feminists who bash men the most are counting on men having that attitude. It’s like women who hit men, believing that no man ever will hit them back, because so few men ever would, and even if one does, other men will rush to her defence and pound the everloving snot out of him.

So apparently Canada is such a feminist gulag that it’s surprising more Canadian men don’t punch vocal feminists in the face. If anything, this article should make us appreciate all the gentlemanly Canadian men who live under the feminist boot and yet somehow refrain from punching women, even the mouthy feminist ones.

This comment does show GWW formidable rhetorical skills, she really backs up a British crank’s overblown throwaway criticism of Canada by mentioning a news story she saw about a rape case that took in a Philadelphia university.

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

*paper’s decision

Yay, my link title worked! (I had my doubts.)