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After a feminist activist at Queen’s University reports being attacked, possibly by an MRA, the king of “f their sh*t up” responds with angry denial

Paul Elam: Anger is "pulsing through my veins like molten lava" at the very notion that MRAs are violent.
Paul Elam: Anger is “pulsing through my veins like molten lava.”

A student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, says she was attacked and beaten by a strange man after receiving threatening messages about her opposition to a Men’s Rights group on campus. On Thursday, Danielle d’Entremont posted a picture of her bruised face to Facebook along with this explanation:

Just walked out of my house and got attacked by a stranger. I was punched in the face multiple times and lost half my tooth. This was after a few threatening emails regarding my support for feminist activities on campus. I can’t say for sure if the two are connected, however the attacker was a male who knew my name.

The campus Men’s Issues Awareness Society (MIAS) – the group d’Entremont has been fighting – has condemned the attack, as has the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), which co-sponsored a talk the MIAS put on Thursday. The police are investigating.

Right now, this is pretty much all we know about the story. Not that it this has stopped MRAs from offering their very fervent opinions on the matter.

Before we get to them, here are a few of my own:

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise. Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists – or indeed challenge sexism in any sufficiently public manner – often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

While most prominent MRAs are smart enough to avoid making specific threats of physical violence in public, their “activist” campaigns often target individual women, often college students and individual activists rather than women with any real power in society, almost certainly because those with less power are easier to intimidate.

And for all their talk of being the “civil rights movement” of the 21st century, Men’s Rights activists rely on rhetoric steeped in violence and hatred. It wasn’t Martin Luther King who declared of his opponents that “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.” It was Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, probably the most influential Men’s Rights activist on the scene right now.

I don’t know who attacked d’Entremont. But given the number of threats being made towards feminist activists on a daily basis, it is inevitable that women (and perhaps some men) who’ve publicly opposed the Men’s Rights movement will be the targets of real violence. Inevitable.

And much of the responsibility for this violence will rest with Elam and other Men’s Rights leaders who have deliberately stoked the anger and hatred of their followers and directed much of it at individual female scapegoats. If your favorite slogan is “Fuck Their Shit Up” you can’t pretend you’re an innocent angel when someone inspired by your words actually does Fuck Someone’s Shit Up.

And it doesn’t help when MRAs like Elam try to make violence against women into a kind of joke. Here, at left, is a screenshot from a notorious post by Elam promoting his supposedly “satirical” notion of turning Domestic Violence Awareness Month into Bash a Violent Bitch Month; yes, that picture ran, with that caption, on Elam’s original post. At right, the picture of herself that d’Entremont posted to her Facebook page.

[TRIGGER WARNING for images of violence against women. Post continues after picture.]

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Of course, this isn’t how Elam and his friends see the issue. The moment the story of the attack broke, a special A Voice for Men Flying Squad of commenters descended upon the website of the student newspaper of Queens University to set forth all the reasons they thought d’Entremont was a lying liar. Attila Vinczer, AVFM’s offical “Activism Director,” was especially active:

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Yeah, Attila, I’m pretty sure criminal investigations don’t work like that.

Meanwhile, AVFM Contributing Editor Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan attempted to minimize d’Entremont’s injuries in a rather inventive way:

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But it was Elam himself who launched the most vociferous attack on d’Entremont; indeed, in a long and rage-filled post titled “A whiff of bullshit at Queen’s University,” he declared that the very notion that MRAs might pose a threat to feminist activists to be a “scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

Huh. I’m pretty sure I didn’t make up the hundreds of abusive and/or threatening messages that a certain red-haired feminist activist received for the crime of yelling at a couple of A Voice for Men dudes on camera once. Or those received by Rebecca Watson for the crime of suggesting that maybe dudes shouldn’t hit on gals who are riding a hotel elevator alone at 4 AM. Or those received by any of countless other women who have found themselves labeled enemy-of-the-week by MRAs, antifeminists, and other misogynistic creeps online.

Oh, and there was that creepy threatening phone message I got at 1:38 AM one December from one of AVFM’s own activists who was too dumb to hide his own identity properly.

But in any case, Elam for some reason has decided that the best way to convince the world that MRAs are reasonable people who would never resort to violence is to declare that he is overcome by his own anger. No, really:

[N]ow I am angry. I am 100% completely, undeniably pissed off bordering on rage. It won’t last, but for the moment it is pulsing through my veins like molten lava.

And what makes him angry? The very thought that someone might assume that a woman who was an active opponent of an Men’s Rights organization might have been targeted because of her activism — and assaulted by an MRA who, like Elam, might have had anger “pulsing through [his] veins like molten lava.”

There’s really not much more to Elam’s post than that. He makes a joke about d’Entremont trolling for “likes” on Facebook for the picture of her beaten face. He demands “proof” and predicts there will be none:

There will never be any evidence that she was attacked by an MHRA. They will probably not catch her supposed “attacker,” and the incident will wind up unresolved because there is no evidence to make a case against anyone, or at the very least not against any MHRA. The story will still get major traction with feminist ideologues, though, who will use it to mischaracterize MHRAs as violent so they can continue to attack the formation of new men’s issues groups.

And then he starts his rant in earnest:

I want to hear a police official say they have reason to believe it was men’s activists, and then share the identity of the person of interest with the public. I want them to make inquiries to this website to look for leads. With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

I want to know for sure that this woman, who posts this shit to her Facebook page but does not want to be identified, and her friend, who also does not want to be identified, are not both liars.

I want to see, with all the wolf crying that feminists have done about MHRAs, one tiny, even microscopic shred of fucking proof of anything they say.

I want to know if they are more credible than the zombie apocalypse. Rather I should say I would like to see them prove they are for a change.

And if my hunch, check that, experience, is right, and there are lies involved in this case, I want to see those responsible go to jail just as much as I want to see her attacker, if he actually exists, do the same.

Huh. That’s a lot of demands, Paul. I’m pretty sure the police have more pressing priorities in their investigation than mollifying the narcissistic rage of an internet ranter.

But I think we can see what is happening here: Unless the police are able to quickly identify and arrest a man who is clearly associated with a Men’s Rights group for this crime, and unless he is quickly convicted of this crime, MRAs – led by Elam and his followers – are going to declare d’Entremont a “false accuser” if not an outright hoaxer, and target her for further harassment and abuse. All while loudly proclaiming that they are the real victims here. (Never mind that they never apply even a fraction of such skepticism towards the tall tales of feminist oppression told by serial fabricators like John Hembling.)

Elam ends his post with these inspiring words:

Please note: AVfM is in the middle of its Spring Fundraiser. Please help us continue to spread the message. Click here to contribute.

Because A Voice for Men LLC, after all, is a business – albeit one that’s apparently forbidden from conducting business in the state of Texas – and its business is hate.

EDITED TO ADD: John Hembling — AVFM’s “Director, Public Policy” and “Editor at Large” — has weighed in with his own take on the attack, which he has puzzlingly titled “Don’t Bash a Violent Bitch,” helpfully illustrated with a picture of a nerdy fellow brandishing a fist. (Classy!) In it he loudly proclaims to be shocked — shocked! — that anyone could imagine any MRA could be responsible for such a crime, which is totally opposed to everything that the peace-loving Men’s Human Rights Movement stands for.

Then he goes on to argue that “Slugger d’Entremont” (!?) is an “asshole” who probably brought this upon herself by being such an asshole:

I expect that whoever bashed Danielle d’Entremont in the face is somebody she knows, who has been dealing with her for years. Maybe her attempt to silence Professor Fiamengo was what did it, maybe it was something else. The timing of the incident, thus far, does not indicate a connection.

Really? The attack happened the night before Fiamengo’s lecture.

An individual attempting to censor and silence somebody speaking on human rights concerns of any group, men or otherwise, is likely an individual that’s an asshole with a past.

How exactly she is a “violent bitch” he never exactly explains. Perhaps someone else wrote the headline. It’s not like there’s a shortage of “editors” at AVFM eager to blame the victim of this particular crime.

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Tracy
Tracy
10 years ago

@Unimaginative

I was molested when I was 7 or 8, and even though I know in my head that it was Bad Enough, I still have this running bullshit idea that it Wasn’t That Bad, because so many other people have had it worse. To this day, decades later, I very rarely speak about it because the outpouring of support I get makes me very uncomfortable. Which is fucked up all on its own.

Same here. I spent lots of time inventing reasons why it wasn’t that bad, really. Fucked up indeed.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Janet:

Didn’t feminists do this before where that woman on a campus start sending herself hate messages and the claimed she had been assaulted and it was … Well all her and she was thrown out of the university and was taken to court for it. I highly expect this is another false accusation. There would of been no reason for anyone to attack her.

Well, Janet, do you have any evidence that that’s what’s going on her? ‘Cause if you do, you should probably be going to the police with it, not posting random gossip on blogs.

So, this one time this one woman sent hate messages to herself and claimed she was assaulted? There’s a whole site for stories like that: Snopes.com. But yes, your random story that might have happened somewhere means we can never believe any woman ever that she’s been assaulted – even when she has the injuries to prove it.

(But Schrodinger’s rapist is rank misandry – just because some men rape, that doesn’t mean that all men do and how dare women act the least bit uncertain or nervous around men!).

Eh. Your trolling’s kindergarten-level, at best. Try harder, Janet.

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Janet’s run-on sentences are giving me vertigo.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Hey Janet, can you maybe drop a link to this feminist story you’re talking about, or would that cramp your run-on style?

Better yet, just go back to AVfM and wave your pom-poms.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Isn’t “Janet” another sockpuppet?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Janet, this has already been explained upthread. Women are generally physically smaller and weaker than men. Self defense classes teach strategies to overcome that strength and escape an escape. Men don’t need self defense classes to protect them against women, because they are usually bigger. BTW, it’s not like anyone is stopping men from taking martial arts or boxing classes or carrying a gun in places where that is legal.

MEZ, on a nicer note, suggestions for books for young girls! My favorites growing up were the Oz books. There are a lot of cool female protagonists like Dorothy, Ozma and Glinda. They’re a good introduction to fantasy too. They aren’t at all dark or scary so they’re appropriate for young kids.

MEZ
MEZ
10 years ago

@Janet
“Oh by the way the reason the MRA were complaining about the self defence class was because it is free to girls and women and the class was only being run for girls and women. Considering you are primarily feminists on this site and therefore believe men and women are exactly the same how can you not see the run for and free only for one gender as discrimination ?”

I doubt that anyone has a problem with men receiving free self-defense courses. This particular course, however, is useless for men because it is specifically geared towards women, and in as explained by weirwoodtreehugger above, there’s usually a size/strength difference between men and women and a difference between what tactics are appropriate for each. Maybe the MRAs could hold free self-defense courses geared towards men?

@weirwoodtreehugger, what are the Oz books? Do you mean like the Wizard of Oz? 🙂 Thanks for the suggestion; I’ll pick them up for her in the library. 🙂

On a related note, I just saw Frozen, and it was about what I was expecting. I had a few issues from it from a feminist perspective, but overall it was pretty good and gave me a platform to start discussing relationship red flags with her. Also a really catchy movie. 🙂

kittehserf
10 years ago

Maybe the MRAs could hold free self-defense courses geared towards men?

::snerk:: Can you imagine how much FAIL that’d be?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Yes. Wizard of Oz. There are 14 original L Frank Baum Oz books.

Bina
10 years ago

Didn’t feminists do this before where that woman on a campus start sending herself hate messages and the claimed she had been assaulted and it was … Well all her and she was thrown out of the university and was taken to court for it. I highly expect this is another false accusation. There would of been no reason for anyone to attack her.

CITATION NEEDED.

Oh by the way the reason the MRA were complaining about the self defence class was because it is free to girls and women and the class was only being run for girls and women. Considering you are primarily feminists on this site and therefore believe men and women are exactly the same how can you not see the run for and free only for one gender as discrimination ?

Again, CITATION NEEDED. Also, STRAW FEMINISM, since no one here believes that “men and women are exactly the same”. We have EYES, you know.

BTW, here’s how a similar case in Canada panned out two decades or so ago. The menz rightzer’s lawsuit was dismissed as frivolous. Which, of course, it was.

And which your trolling also is.

samantha
samantha
10 years ago
Reply to  Janet

Considering you are primarily feminists on this site and therefore believe men and women are exactly the same how can you not see the run for and free only for one gender as discrimination ?

Considering that you seem to be a woman, how can you not see that women who have been abused or threatened with abuse by men might not be comfortable taking a class in self defence with men…who may, or may not, be there to find out who the women are?

It has happened, Ms Janet.

samantha
samantha
10 years ago

Janet’s run-on sentences are giving me vertigo.

It is okay, grumpygatisagirl. Just breathe and repeat to yourself “Janet is a Troll…Trolls live under bridges and have no lives…Janet is a Troll.”

There. All better now? I know I am. :):)

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Wow. Janet doesn’t even compare to Explore Nature. That’s SAD.

Kootiepatra
10 years ago

“How does she know it was a man?” ….*head explodes*

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

Considering you are primarily feminists on this site and therefore believe men and women are exactly the same

No.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Why do dumbasses keep assuming that believing the differences between individuals > differences between groups = everyone is the same? Seriously, we’re saying people are MORE DIFFERENT, not less! Eesh!

kittehserf
10 years ago

Wow. Janet doesn’t even compare to Explore Nature. That’s SAD.

Oh strewth, now that’s the pits! XD

fromafar2013
10 years ago

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LURK MOAR PLZ

leatapp
leatapp
10 years ago

yumicake,
That’s not cool.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: yumicpcake

No threats of violence. What do you think this place is, AVFM? Piss off and take your creepery with you.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

I’ve emailed theMaster about yumicpcake.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

*cheerfully awaits for some other troll to pop up claiming that this is proof feminists can’t tolerate a varying opinion because hivemind*

Felisha
Felisha
10 years ago

@MEZ

Good observations. And I think if Erin Pizzy had some truly legit arguments against feminism she’d take it up with another group instead of AVFM. I’ve notice the large number of skype’s she has had with Dean Esmay. I’m guessing those aren’t debates, but rather exposing what she doesn’t like about feminism else Dean wouldn’t keep giving her an audience.

The same goes for Warren Farrell and, to some extent, Christina Sommers.

If those three cared about females than they wouldn’t be taking their objections about feminism to such an anti-woman hate group. They would take their complaints to a PEACEFUL human rights organization with no history of undermining the safety of women.