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After a feminist activist at Queen’s University reports being attacked, possibly by an MRA, the king of “f their sh*t up” responds with angry denial

Paul Elam: Anger is "pulsing through my veins like molten lava" at the very notion that MRAs are violent.
Paul Elam: Anger is “pulsing through my veins like molten lava.”

A student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, says she was attacked and beaten by a strange man after receiving threatening messages about her opposition to a Men’s Rights group on campus. On Thursday, Danielle d’Entremont posted a picture of her bruised face to Facebook along with this explanation:

Just walked out of my house and got attacked by a stranger. I was punched in the face multiple times and lost half my tooth. This was after a few threatening emails regarding my support for feminist activities on campus. I can’t say for sure if the two are connected, however the attacker was a male who knew my name.

The campus Men’s Issues Awareness Society (MIAS) – the group d’Entremont has been fighting – has condemned the attack, as has the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), which co-sponsored a talk the MIAS put on Thursday. The police are investigating.

Right now, this is pretty much all we know about the story. Not that it this has stopped MRAs from offering their very fervent opinions on the matter.

Before we get to them, here are a few of my own:

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise. Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists – or indeed challenge sexism in any sufficiently public manner – often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

While most prominent MRAs are smart enough to avoid making specific threats of physical violence in public, their “activist” campaigns often target individual women, often college students and individual activists rather than women with any real power in society, almost certainly because those with less power are easier to intimidate.

And for all their talk of being the “civil rights movement” of the 21st century, Men’s Rights activists rely on rhetoric steeped in violence and hatred. It wasn’t Martin Luther King who declared of his opponents that “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.” It was Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, probably the most influential Men’s Rights activist on the scene right now.

I don’t know who attacked d’Entremont. But given the number of threats being made towards feminist activists on a daily basis, it is inevitable that women (and perhaps some men) who’ve publicly opposed the Men’s Rights movement will be the targets of real violence. Inevitable.

And much of the responsibility for this violence will rest with Elam and other Men’s Rights leaders who have deliberately stoked the anger and hatred of their followers and directed much of it at individual female scapegoats. If your favorite slogan is “Fuck Their Shit Up” you can’t pretend you’re an innocent angel when someone inspired by your words actually does Fuck Someone’s Shit Up.

And it doesn’t help when MRAs like Elam try to make violence against women into a kind of joke. Here, at left, is a screenshot from a notorious post by Elam promoting his supposedly “satirical” notion of turning Domestic Violence Awareness Month into Bash a Violent Bitch Month; yes, that picture ran, with that caption, on Elam’s original post. At right, the picture of herself that d’Entremont posted to her Facebook page.

[TRIGGER WARNING for images of violence against women. Post continues after picture.]

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Of course, this isn’t how Elam and his friends see the issue. The moment the story of the attack broke, a special A Voice for Men Flying Squad of commenters descended upon the website of the student newspaper of Queens University to set forth all the reasons they thought d’Entremont was a lying liar. Attila Vinczer, AVFM’s offical “Activism Director,” was especially active:

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Yeah, Attila, I’m pretty sure criminal investigations don’t work like that.

Meanwhile, AVFM Contributing Editor Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan attempted to minimize d’Entremont’s injuries in a rather inventive way:

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But it was Elam himself who launched the most vociferous attack on d’Entremont; indeed, in a long and rage-filled post titled “A whiff of bullshit at Queen’s University,” he declared that the very notion that MRAs might pose a threat to feminist activists to be a “scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

Huh. I’m pretty sure I didn’t make up the hundreds of abusive and/or threatening messages that a certain red-haired feminist activist received for the crime of yelling at a couple of A Voice for Men dudes on camera once. Or those received by Rebecca Watson for the crime of suggesting that maybe dudes shouldn’t hit on gals who are riding a hotel elevator alone at 4 AM. Or those received by any of countless other women who have found themselves labeled enemy-of-the-week by MRAs, antifeminists, and other misogynistic creeps online.

Oh, and there was that creepy threatening phone message I got at 1:38 AM one December from one of AVFM’s own activists who was too dumb to hide his own identity properly.

But in any case, Elam for some reason has decided that the best way to convince the world that MRAs are reasonable people who would never resort to violence is to declare that he is overcome by his own anger. No, really:

[N]ow I am angry. I am 100% completely, undeniably pissed off bordering on rage. It won’t last, but for the moment it is pulsing through my veins like molten lava.

And what makes him angry? The very thought that someone might assume that a woman who was an active opponent of an Men’s Rights organization might have been targeted because of her activism — and assaulted by an MRA who, like Elam, might have had anger “pulsing through [his] veins like molten lava.”

There’s really not much more to Elam’s post than that. He makes a joke about d’Entremont trolling for “likes” on Facebook for the picture of her beaten face. He demands “proof” and predicts there will be none:

There will never be any evidence that she was attacked by an MHRA. They will probably not catch her supposed “attacker,” and the incident will wind up unresolved because there is no evidence to make a case against anyone, or at the very least not against any MHRA. The story will still get major traction with feminist ideologues, though, who will use it to mischaracterize MHRAs as violent so they can continue to attack the formation of new men’s issues groups.

And then he starts his rant in earnest:

I want to hear a police official say they have reason to believe it was men’s activists, and then share the identity of the person of interest with the public. I want them to make inquiries to this website to look for leads. With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

I want to know for sure that this woman, who posts this shit to her Facebook page but does not want to be identified, and her friend, who also does not want to be identified, are not both liars.

I want to see, with all the wolf crying that feminists have done about MHRAs, one tiny, even microscopic shred of fucking proof of anything they say.

I want to know if they are more credible than the zombie apocalypse. Rather I should say I would like to see them prove they are for a change.

And if my hunch, check that, experience, is right, and there are lies involved in this case, I want to see those responsible go to jail just as much as I want to see her attacker, if he actually exists, do the same.

Huh. That’s a lot of demands, Paul. I’m pretty sure the police have more pressing priorities in their investigation than mollifying the narcissistic rage of an internet ranter.

But I think we can see what is happening here: Unless the police are able to quickly identify and arrest a man who is clearly associated with a Men’s Rights group for this crime, and unless he is quickly convicted of this crime, MRAs – led by Elam and his followers – are going to declare d’Entremont a “false accuser” if not an outright hoaxer, and target her for further harassment and abuse. All while loudly proclaiming that they are the real victims here. (Never mind that they never apply even a fraction of such skepticism towards the tall tales of feminist oppression told by serial fabricators like John Hembling.)

Elam ends his post with these inspiring words:

Please note: AVfM is in the middle of its Spring Fundraiser. Please help us continue to spread the message. Click here to contribute.

Because A Voice for Men LLC, after all, is a business – albeit one that’s apparently forbidden from conducting business in the state of Texas – and its business is hate.

EDITED TO ADD: John Hembling — AVFM’s “Director, Public Policy” and “Editor at Large” — has weighed in with his own take on the attack, which he has puzzlingly titled “Don’t Bash a Violent Bitch,” helpfully illustrated with a picture of a nerdy fellow brandishing a fist. (Classy!) In it he loudly proclaims to be shocked — shocked! — that anyone could imagine any MRA could be responsible for such a crime, which is totally opposed to everything that the peace-loving Men’s Human Rights Movement stands for.

Then he goes on to argue that “Slugger d’Entremont” (!?) is an “asshole” who probably brought this upon herself by being such an asshole:

I expect that whoever bashed Danielle d’Entremont in the face is somebody she knows, who has been dealing with her for years. Maybe her attempt to silence Professor Fiamengo was what did it, maybe it was something else. The timing of the incident, thus far, does not indicate a connection.

Really? The attack happened the night before Fiamengo’s lecture.

An individual attempting to censor and silence somebody speaking on human rights concerns of any group, men or otherwise, is likely an individual that’s an asshole with a past.

How exactly she is a “violent bitch” he never exactly explains. Perhaps someone else wrote the headline. It’s not like there’s a shortage of “editors” at AVFM eager to blame the victim of this particular crime.

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titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

I’m trapped on the sofa for the rest of the day …

http://instagram.com/p/mK_hixl-w5/

scarlettpipstrelle
10 years ago

The mentality is similar to Jim Crow days. Supposedly, the “good” Negroes had nothing to worry about. But they did! Things could turn ugly against them at any moment, for a minor cause, or no cause at all just somebody’s imagination. You’d hear stories of black women minding their own business, a car pulls up, she’s pulled in, and people just went back to what they were doing. Jim Crow was about preserving a social order by force, even when the law and society were changing. Jim Crow wasn’t just segregation laws, it was a whole culture and body of customs that basically meant that black people ran a gauntlet every time they left their house or their neighborhood.

trans_commie
10 years ago

If in fact this woman was attacked by anyone, feminism has failed her.

Just as the men’s rights movement has failed men by inadequately addressing the problem of female-on-male rape/abuse victims receiving support and resources.

Oops!

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Wouldn’t the artificial womb be more likely to make men obsolete than women? Even with an imitation placenta, you still need an egg. I’ve read that they can combine the DNA of two eggs to make an embryo, but the same can’t be done with two sperm. Of course, the child born from two eggs will always have XX chromosomes, so if we switched to reproducing that way, the only men would be trans men. The vast majority of the population would be girls and women.

Not that I’m suggesting all men should be eliminated or anything. In reality, only a small fringe minority would ever be for eliminating an entire sex. MRAs don’t seem to understand that many men actually want women as girlfriends or wives for reasons other than needing a sperm receptacle.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Hey guys, my writeathon is OPEN! Come join the party and make me write you stuff!

RE: emilygoddess

Maybe he’s still commenting right now!

Haven’t a lot of trolls done that, come back bewailing their banned fate even as they insist that it’s not like they CARE or anything, this site sucks anyway, PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE.

RE: vaiyt

The Illiad is fiction!

HERESY! It is total historical fact, just like 300!

samantha
samantha
10 years ago

Samantha, have you checked if a library near you has MS. on microflm? I am going to be at a library that does later this week and I might be able to look for you. (I’m a librarian so questions like this are irresistible to me).

Really? Oh, that would be soooo cool! I did ask the public library here, but they said no. Perhaps, if you look and I look at the UofO library, we can find it?

Yippee!!!! Thanks!

Octo
Octo
10 years ago

Wouldn’t the artificial womb be more likely to make men obsolete than women? Even with an imitation placenta, you still need an egg. I’ve read that they can combine the DNA of two eggs to make an embryo, but the same can’t be done with two sperm. Of course, the child born from two eggs will always have XX chromosomes, so if we switched to reproducing that way, the only men would be trans men. The vast majority of the population would be girls and women.

Since one can already implant a fertilized egg into a woman, no, artificial wombs wouldn’t make men more obsolete than they’re already now anyway. And yes, one can already make artificial sperm, basically, but not yet artificial eggs, but IMO this is also just a question of time. Combine that with the possibility of artificial wombs and… yeah. This would help to solve a whole bunch of problems. Artificial wombs would be something *good*, *especially* for women, I think. Sci-fi presents us the future as being about space, FTL, war lasers and stuff, but that is not actually where the interesting developments will happen…

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

@Samantha,

I noticed the AMAZING scarlettpipstrelle (above) seemed to know *exactly* what you were talking about. So I think we have a citation now:

Bat’s chance in hell.
Author: Postgate J
Source: New Scientist 58(840):12-14, 16, April 5, 1973. With commentary by M. Potts, “Make the possible available,” New Scientist. 1973 Apr 12; 58(841):84-85.
– See more at: http://www.popline.org/node/512736#sthash.2xigIwQk.dpuf

Now it’s just a matter of finding the actual article.

samantha
samantha
10 years ago
Reply to  contrapangloss

Samantha, have some virtual hugs. I can’t even imagine that. Just, ack.

That article also sounds pretty disturbing. Plans to wipe out (as a conservative estimate) 40% of the population in order to prevent war just sounds scary.

Thanks. And what is REALLY creepy is that he though that a world with only men IN the world would be peaceful! The assumption, of course, is that women make war and men are the victims!

And the creepiest part is that that British doc is not the only man I have heard make the same kind of statement.

Oh, now I made myself feel creeped-out…

Octo
Octo
10 years ago

Some men just can’t cope with the fact that the majority of aggressions are by the own gender, so they go looking for (absolutely idiotic) excuses. Especially if you get socialized in an environment that tells you men are the superior sex. So if you have internalized that you are the better half of humanity, clearly there must be excuses for all those aggressions.

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

The Illiad is fiction!

I noticed some dude on The Myth of Male Power Amazon site provided this list to prove that women have never been denied access to power:

Catherine the Great
Helen of Troy
Margaret Thatcher
Elizabeth I
Mary, Queen of Scots
Queen Victoria
Cleopatra
Elizabeth Bathory
Hillary Clinton

I don’t know what makes me faceplam more: that this list is so pathetically short or that it has Helen of Troy on it.

Actually, the inclusion of Helen of Troy does. On multiple levels.

Octo
Octo
10 years ago

And of course, for reigning Queens Elizabeth I, Victoria and Elizabeth II there have been how many reigning Kings? Likewise for Catherine and Anna of Russia; drowned out by male Czars. Or Cleopatra by male Pharaos. In fact, that list is a good reminder that those women were all *exceptions*, because the rules were in fact openly designed so that normally only men could rule.

Only Clinton and Thatcher are legit examples… but modern ones. Their power is a testament to what has already been achieved by social change.

samantha
samantha
10 years ago

@Samantha – It wasn’t specifically to solve war but as a population measure. It was called the “manchild” pill and here’s a link to an archive on it. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2206&dat=19730410&id=57slAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UvMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4025,4108372. It was published in Psychology Today in 1973, and in a lot of other places too.

Yes, I have bookmarked that. Thank you for the lead.

In the article I remember, the British doc recommended cloistering all remaining females for life and developing an artficial womb so that the eggs collected could be fertilized and grow.

Actually, the Japanese have been working on such a womb, and so has the US Military. I kid you not. SO far, the Japanese have been the most successful, getting a fetus to survive for several months. The military is very much involved in trying to breed soldiers, using human and non-human gametes. When I injured my back 29 years ago and could only sit for days, I watched some very disturbing programs on Discovery and PBS, many about artificial, as in without women, reproduction.

samantha
samantha
10 years ago
Reply to  Bina

Makes my little episode with the old perv in the car look pale by comparison

Do not say that. Every time a woman, or anyone, is treated as a “thing” to be used, even just a little, it is an attempt to destroy some part of the womans’ soul. Being terrorized takes many, many forms, and in a society like this it is really hard sometimes to tell the difference between a terrorist act and an innocent one.

I’m not sure it is EVER about sexual intimacy, since that implies a willing play between consenting people. In abuse, sexual and not, it is about letting the abused know that she/he is not a real person and the abuser is.

Sadly, many of these guys do believe it is their god-given right, which is why they scream foul when we fight back or turn them in to the police or, especially, when they are found guilty of a crime and have to pay for it.

No one should EVER be made to feel less then a person. By the way, that is a large part of what war is about, as well.

And I welcome, and return, the hug. 🙂

samantha
samantha
10 years ago
Reply to  trans_commie

:: hugs samantha and Bina ::

Hugs back, Ally. And how are you?

samantha
samantha
10 years ago
Reply to  vaiyt

Once they realize that an artificial womb also means women can’t be punished with pregnancy anymore, they’ll change opinion right back.

I wonder. I sometimes think that they really believe the world would be better without us.

Now, there is a depressing thought….

samantha
samantha
10 years ago
Reply to  titianblue

I’m trapped on the sofa for the rest of the day …

Sigh. I wish I still had my kitty, ’cause I would also be trapped in my chair all day.

Hey…you just enjoy your kitty and your sofa.

samantha
samantha
10 years ago

The mentality is similar to Jim Crow days. Supposedly, the “good” Negroes had nothing to worry about. But they did!

Wow. I could not have said it better myself. I am shaking, yes, I am.

samantha
samantha
10 years ago

MRAs don’t seem to understand that many men actually want women as girlfriends or wives for reasons other than needing a sperm receptacle.

A voice of sanity. Of course, you are absolutely right. That minority, however, still manages to make life ugly for many.

katz
10 years ago

Helen of Troy. Because nothing says “power” like being kidnapped.

samantha
samantha
10 years ago
Reply to  Octo

Artificial wombs would be something *good*, *especially* for women, I think.

I somehow do not think so. I LOVED being pregnant and, when I was in labor and pushing the kiddo out, I *KNEW* what it was to be the Source of All Things giving birth to reality all the time.

Made me high as a kite, it did. And, no, there were no drugs.

Also, a lot of research seems to show that we become human by being inside our mother’s wombs. Something about it being more than just the chemicals and space to grow and such. I think that we make a powerful connection with this earth and with human-ness while in the womb. Something that an artificial womb would not give us.

kittehserf
10 years ago

PPS: Frozen Paulie is hilarious. He looks more dorky and surprised than sinister, though.

LOL and that was one of his eye-pop moments from an interview. It was the best match I could find, and the idea of Pauly being shocked at ending up frozen appealed.

Nicholson really was an arse-about-face choice for Torrance, imo. He’s got creepiness built in.

katz
10 years ago

I somehow do not think so. I LOVED being pregnant and, when I was in labor and pushing the kiddo out, I *KNEW* what it was to be the Source of All Things giving birth to reality all the time.

Made me high as a kite, it did. And, no, there were no drugs.

Also, a lot of research seems to show that we become human by being inside our mother’s wombs. Something about it being more than just the chemicals and space to grow and such. I think that we make a powerful connection with this earth and with human-ness while in the womb. Something that an artificial womb would not give us.

I am tilting my head this way and that trying to figure out if you are joking or serious or seriously just joking.

samantha
samantha
10 years ago

Now it’s just a matter of finding the actual article.

Thanks! Bookmarked and I will begin the search!

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
10 years ago

Something about it being more than just the chemicals and space to grow and such.

I remember reading something about that, too. Like, we can’t clone mammoths using elephant surrogates, because the babies would come out as elephants. I don’t know that there was any scientific support for that, though, it might have been a sci-fi kind of thing.

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