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After a feminist activist at Queen’s University reports being attacked, possibly by an MRA, the king of “f their sh*t up” responds with angry denial

Paul Elam: Anger is "pulsing through my veins like molten lava" at the very notion that MRAs are violent.
Paul Elam: Anger is “pulsing through my veins like molten lava.”

A student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, says she was attacked and beaten by a strange man after receiving threatening messages about her opposition to a Men’s Rights group on campus. On Thursday, Danielle d’Entremont posted a picture of her bruised face to Facebook along with this explanation:

Just walked out of my house and got attacked by a stranger. I was punched in the face multiple times and lost half my tooth. This was after a few threatening emails regarding my support for feminist activities on campus. I can’t say for sure if the two are connected, however the attacker was a male who knew my name.

The campus Men’s Issues Awareness Society (MIAS) – the group d’Entremont has been fighting – has condemned the attack, as has the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), which co-sponsored a talk the MIAS put on Thursday. The police are investigating.

Right now, this is pretty much all we know about the story. Not that it this has stopped MRAs from offering their very fervent opinions on the matter.

Before we get to them, here are a few of my own:

If it turns out that the attacker is, as seems likely, a Men’s Rights activist – or some freelance misogynist vaguely associated with that milieu – it will not exactly be a surprise. Feminist activists who challenge Men’s Rights activists – or indeed challenge sexism in any sufficiently public manner – often find themselves the recipients of angry, abusive and threatening messages, sometimes numbering in the hundreds.

While most prominent MRAs are smart enough to avoid making specific threats of physical violence in public, their “activist” campaigns often target individual women, often college students and individual activists rather than women with any real power in society, almost certainly because those with less power are easier to intimidate.

And for all their talk of being the “civil rights movement” of the 21st century, Men’s Rights activists rely on rhetoric steeped in violence and hatred. It wasn’t Martin Luther King who declared of his opponents that “the thought of fucking your shit up gives me an erection.” It was Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, probably the most influential Men’s Rights activist on the scene right now.

I don’t know who attacked d’Entremont. But given the number of threats being made towards feminist activists on a daily basis, it is inevitable that women (and perhaps some men) who’ve publicly opposed the Men’s Rights movement will be the targets of real violence. Inevitable.

And much of the responsibility for this violence will rest with Elam and other Men’s Rights leaders who have deliberately stoked the anger and hatred of their followers and directed much of it at individual female scapegoats. If your favorite slogan is “Fuck Their Shit Up” you can’t pretend you’re an innocent angel when someone inspired by your words actually does Fuck Someone’s Shit Up.

And it doesn’t help when MRAs like Elam try to make violence against women into a kind of joke. Here, at left, is a screenshot from a notorious post by Elam promoting his supposedly “satirical” notion of turning Domestic Violence Awareness Month into Bash a Violent Bitch Month; yes, that picture ran, with that caption, on Elam’s original post. At right, the picture of herself that d’Entremont posted to her Facebook page.

[TRIGGER WARNING for images of violence against women. Post continues after picture.]

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Of course, this isn’t how Elam and his friends see the issue. The moment the story of the attack broke, a special A Voice for Men Flying Squad of commenters descended upon the website of the student newspaper of Queens University to set forth all the reasons they thought d’Entremont was a lying liar. Attila Vinczer, AVFM’s offical “Activism Director,” was especially active:

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Yeah, Attila, I’m pretty sure criminal investigations don’t work like that.

Meanwhile, AVFM Contributing Editor Karen “Girl Writes What” Straughan attempted to minimize d’Entremont’s injuries in a rather inventive way:

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But it was Elam himself who launched the most vociferous attack on d’Entremont; indeed, in a long and rage-filled post titled “A whiff of bullshit at Queen’s University,” he declared that the very notion that MRAs might pose a threat to feminist activists to be a “scummy, Futrellian fantasy fiction spin game.”

Huh. I’m pretty sure I didn’t make up the hundreds of abusive and/or threatening messages that a certain red-haired feminist activist received for the crime of yelling at a couple of A Voice for Men dudes on camera once. Or those received by Rebecca Watson for the crime of suggesting that maybe dudes shouldn’t hit on gals who are riding a hotel elevator alone at 4 AM. Or those received by any of countless other women who have found themselves labeled enemy-of-the-week by MRAs, antifeminists, and other misogynistic creeps online.

Oh, and there was that creepy threatening phone message I got at 1:38 AM one December from one of AVFM’s own activists who was too dumb to hide his own identity properly.

But in any case, Elam for some reason has decided that the best way to convince the world that MRAs are reasonable people who would never resort to violence is to declare that he is overcome by his own anger. No, really:

[N]ow I am angry. I am 100% completely, undeniably pissed off bordering on rage. It won’t last, but for the moment it is pulsing through my veins like molten lava.

And what makes him angry? The very thought that someone might assume that a woman who was an active opponent of an Men’s Rights organization might have been targeted because of her activism — and assaulted by an MRA who, like Elam, might have had anger “pulsing through [his] veins like molten lava.”

There’s really not much more to Elam’s post than that. He makes a joke about d’Entremont trolling for “likes” on Facebook for the picture of her beaten face. He demands “proof” and predicts there will be none:

There will never be any evidence that she was attacked by an MHRA. They will probably not catch her supposed “attacker,” and the incident will wind up unresolved because there is no evidence to make a case against anyone, or at the very least not against any MHRA. The story will still get major traction with feminist ideologues, though, who will use it to mischaracterize MHRAs as violent so they can continue to attack the formation of new men’s issues groups.

And then he starts his rant in earnest:

I want to hear a police official say they have reason to believe it was men’s activists, and then share the identity of the person of interest with the public. I want them to make inquiries to this website to look for leads. With all the victim posturing over the years from feminists about AVFM, I have never heard from a single police official. Not once.

I want to know for sure that this woman, who posts this shit to her Facebook page but does not want to be identified, and her friend, who also does not want to be identified, are not both liars.

I want to see, with all the wolf crying that feminists have done about MHRAs, one tiny, even microscopic shred of fucking proof of anything they say.

I want to know if they are more credible than the zombie apocalypse. Rather I should say I would like to see them prove they are for a change.

And if my hunch, check that, experience, is right, and there are lies involved in this case, I want to see those responsible go to jail just as much as I want to see her attacker, if he actually exists, do the same.

Huh. That’s a lot of demands, Paul. I’m pretty sure the police have more pressing priorities in their investigation than mollifying the narcissistic rage of an internet ranter.

But I think we can see what is happening here: Unless the police are able to quickly identify and arrest a man who is clearly associated with a Men’s Rights group for this crime, and unless he is quickly convicted of this crime, MRAs – led by Elam and his followers – are going to declare d’Entremont a “false accuser” if not an outright hoaxer, and target her for further harassment and abuse. All while loudly proclaiming that they are the real victims here. (Never mind that they never apply even a fraction of such skepticism towards the tall tales of feminist oppression told by serial fabricators like John Hembling.)

Elam ends his post with these inspiring words:

Please note: AVfM is in the middle of its Spring Fundraiser. Please help us continue to spread the message. Click here to contribute.

Because A Voice for Men LLC, after all, is a business – albeit one that’s apparently forbidden from conducting business in the state of Texas – and its business is hate.

EDITED TO ADD: John Hembling — AVFM’s “Director, Public Policy” and “Editor at Large” — has weighed in with his own take on the attack, which he has puzzlingly titled “Don’t Bash a Violent Bitch,” helpfully illustrated with a picture of a nerdy fellow brandishing a fist. (Classy!) In it he loudly proclaims to be shocked — shocked! — that anyone could imagine any MRA could be responsible for such a crime, which is totally opposed to everything that the peace-loving Men’s Human Rights Movement stands for.

Then he goes on to argue that “Slugger d’Entremont” (!?) is an “asshole” who probably brought this upon herself by being such an asshole:

I expect that whoever bashed Danielle d’Entremont in the face is somebody she knows, who has been dealing with her for years. Maybe her attempt to silence Professor Fiamengo was what did it, maybe it was something else. The timing of the incident, thus far, does not indicate a connection.

Really? The attack happened the night before Fiamengo’s lecture.

An individual attempting to censor and silence somebody speaking on human rights concerns of any group, men or otherwise, is likely an individual that’s an asshole with a past.

How exactly she is a “violent bitch” he never exactly explains. Perhaps someone else wrote the headline. It’s not like there’s a shortage of “editors” at AVFM eager to blame the victim of this particular crime.

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NightRainbow
NightRainbow
10 years ago

I have to say that’s for posting this and making people aware. I’m still questioning to myself the best way of fighting this garbage. The worst part to me is that though when you look at this no one I know would ever support it, but the tendrils of it… the noise seems to seeps into people. I know some totally reasonable men that have started to say stuff that’s come from these assholes because it’s so damn loud. Like they haven’t thought it out, have education about feminism really and hear something that “makes sense” if not actually examined. This is a horrible thing. Has anyone else experienced this? What do you do about it?

trans_commie
10 years ago

@NightRainbow

I have experienced something similar, unfortunately. Frankly, I don’t have the mental fortitude to call it out, so I usually just “pray” that they stop soon. If I had the guts to deal with it, though, I’d point out the dynamics of privilege here. In particular, it seems that the main factor behind men educated about feminism suddenly espousing MRA garbage is the validation of male privilege. A feminist education doesn’t mean much when those men are still, on some level, comfortable with their privilege.

Even if that’s not how they recognize the situation, it makes sense. Perhaps, if you feel my interpretation is reasonable, you can point out something similar to them without being overly direct about it (as unfortunately a lot of men react defensively towards things like “You’re only agreeing with MRAs because of your male privilege”).

Oh, and here’s your welcome package!

NightRainbow
NightRainbow
10 years ago
Reply to  trans_commie

Thanks! And a great point. I’ll see what I can do mulling it over.. like all things it’s complicated with the particular individual I’m thinking of as they have other have some disabilities and so in some ways legitimately is disempowered by the system around them, but they still do enjoy the privileges of being male (though I think he doesn’t see it!) I hadn’t thought about it in these terms, and it’s helping to feel less horrible about things, and gives me a basis to discuss it with him 🙂 Also those penguins are fing hilarious!!

trans_commie
10 years ago

One must always exercise caution in comparing axes of oppression, but there are certainly some commonalities among all axes. With that in mind, perhaps you can help highlight the male privilege that is clouding is mind by pointing out the similarities between the lack of awareness of male privilege and the lack of awareness of privilege that people without disabilities have. For instance, many people without mental disabilities often tell people with mental disabilities to just tighten their bootstraps, so to speak, and ignore their mental suffering. That has happened to me, as someone who has anxiety issues and depression.

NightRainbow
NightRainbow
10 years ago
Reply to  trans_commie

Yeah that’s a good way to start. May take more than one conversation but I feel it’s achievable 🙂 Very good points you make.

chris1975
10 years ago

If Attila believes this to be a false allegation, how can he explain the chipped tooth? Did this girl break her own tooth in hopes of being believed? If so, she would be quite nutty. Furthermore, although it is true that Feminism has had many failures, I wouldn’t call it the greatest failure in human history. I wouldn’t put Feminism alongside slavery, Nazism, Wars, and Economic disasters; not by a long shot.

Dolly Smith
10 years ago

Wouldn’t surprise me if it was an MRA. In fact I’d be disappointed if it wasn’t, just as wehuntedthemammoth & its supporters clearly would be, but for very different reasons.
The censorious protesters who shut down Fiamengo’s talk are as mindless as the thug who assaulted d’Entremont. Whatever…both sides know that it’s all grist to the mill.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
10 years ago

Protesting: just as bad as punching someone in the face.

I’m a little afraid to ask why Dolly would “be disappointed” if it wasn’t an MRA.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

The old “both sides” chestnut. Never heard that one before.

scott1139
scott1139
10 years ago

The censorious protesters who shut down Fiamengo’s talk are as mindless as the thug who assaulted d’Entremont.

You are correct: the protestors and the attacker were both quite mindful of their actions.

When people do bad things, they likely know exactly what they’re doing. Of course, protesting isn’t actually a bad thing…

Billy
Billy
10 years ago

I do not understand, what did “Bash a Violent Bitch Month” have to do with this attack? He was responding to a feminist article on Jezebel where women were sharing and celebrating stories of beating on the men in their lives just for the hell of it. Of course his article looks monstrous, even as a joke, if you take it out of context. But in context, there is nothing at all monstrous about responding to the actual celebration of violence with a satirical celebration of violence.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
10 years ago

Thank you, Billy, for this entirely new information.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

I’m going to take a sip of coffee every time an MRAss mentions Jezebel in defense of Paul Elam.
I should be bouncing off the walls by lunch.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
10 years ago

Still probably safer than the usual drinking game. You’d be saying goodbye to your liver in no time.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

Billy, you really think the Jezebel Article was a “celebration of violence”?

Really?

It was way tasteless and gave me a good reason to avoid them, but it was truer satire than anything Elam’s ever published…

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

… And by “satire” I mean, written with a blinking neon sign that says “sarcasm”.

No one on the internet does Swift-like satire anymore. 🙁

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

Seriously, why the hell has this Jezebel article become the new thing for MRAs, years after it was posted? Did someone hype it on one of their stupid sites or something?

cloudiah
10 years ago

They’re still on about Dworkin and the SCUM Manifesto, so I doubt they’ll ever let the Jezebel article (which was highly criticized by many feminists) go.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

Also, I thought Jezebel was just some trashy gossip site? Not a feminist one? Am I confused?

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
10 years ago

Seriously, why the hell has this Jezebel article become the new thing for MRAs, years after it was posted? Did someone hype it on one of their stupid sites or something?

Much was made of Elam’s “satirical” response piece in the wake of The Conference, and that put them on the defensive, so maybe that’s how “but the Jezebel piece!” became a meme again?

Also, I thought Jezebel was just some trashy gossip site? Not a feminist one? Am I confused?

It’s pretty trashy and blatantly clickbait-y, but it’s easy pickings for people who want to “prove” that feminists are terrible. The fact that plenty of feminists have either never heard of it or find it distasteful is apparently not important.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

Just saying, dudes, if Elam doesn’t LINK to what he’s supposedly satirizing, and he’s such a shitty satirist that nobody can tell he’s not being serious, YOU MIGHT LOOK KINDA BAD.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

LBT: If you’re confused, I’m confused about the same thing. They only successfully clickbait me every once in a blue moon, though, so I don’t actually know…

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

The obsession the MRAs have with Jezebel is pretty hilarious. They are very wrong in thinking that it represents the entirety of feminism. I say that as someone who reads and comments there. I look at it as a women’s magazine with a progressive/feminist slant. It’s fun to read (for me anyway) but serious feminism it isn’t.

Ffs, it’s part of a corporate media group. That should be a clue right there.

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