Today, just a recommendation: if you’d like to learn more about the wrongheaded and often quite bewildering opinions of Men’s Rights grandpappy Warren Farrell, take a look at the excellent Farrell’s Follies series now being posted on the AgainstMensRights subreddit. The Redditor known as feminista_throwaway has been systematically going through Farrell’s Myth of Male Power and looking in detail at Farrell’s positions on such issues as “Date Fraud,” why it’s supposedly easier to be a gay man than a straight man, why patriarchy is women’s fault, and how men and women don’t really love each other. There’s a guide to the whole series here.
Or, if you’re at college, a guillotine for cutting paper?
Even picture wire would cut through soap.
A while back AVFM adopted this “judicial activist” from I forget where — not Aleverdian or whatever his name is, another guy. I looked into him and it turns out he basically just goes around suing people, so much so that he’s got a whole cult following in his area that document his weird crusades. One of them actually managed to film him in his doctors office threatening to sue them for millions of dollars — literally — because he couldn’t get an appointment or something along those lines.
I didn’t post about it b/c his “fans”/enemies seemed a bit stalkery but, you know, I think that’s how a lot of these guys and gals are in real life, though probably not to that extreme. A lot of angry entitlement.
So basically like Westboro Baptist, but incompetent.
What about the wire potters use for cutting things off the wheel?
Diana Adams – it’s not far-fetched at all to think of MRAs saying Josef Fritzl was protecting and feeding his daughter and she was boss. It’s pretty much what they said about Ariel Castro.
I’ll be honest, I think that in the US, solely in the realm of casual, anonymous sex, it is easier for men to be gay than straight. Understand, I’m not some straight guy using homosexuality as a tool to put down women. I’m bisexual and have had sexual experiences with both men and women. I’m speaking from my own experience.
From my experience finding an anonymous sex partner is easier if you’re looking for a man.
Of course gay men experience a lot of discrimination and prejudice everywhere in the world. So on a real level, it’s much easier being straight than gay. But if you’re in a western nation that at least tries a little bit to protect homosexuals, and you’re just talking about casual, anonymous sex, it is easier to be gay.
Walter,
Whether or not it’s easier to pick up men than women is beside the point. It’s offensive and tone deaf to make the claim that being a gay is easier because of the very real bigotry that gay people. You’re kind of brushing that off here.
It also ignores the real dangers women face in seeking casual sex from men, and the fact that even when it’s safe, it’s unlikely to provide a worthwhile sexual experience (if orgasmic PiV is what’s sought).
Plus, what does our hypothetical gay man look like? If he’s under 25, good looking, and has a nice body then sure, plenty of casual sex on offer for him. If he looks like most MRAs, not so much.
Not to mention the fact that casual sex isn’t really what they’re looking for, and they’d probably be horrified if they fucked a woman and afterwards she was all “well that was nice, see ya”. There’d be hundreds of new rants about how callous women are and how she didn’t even offer to cook him breakfast or do his laundry before she left.
auggz – pastry cutter? Or one of those two-handled pizza knives?
Heheh I’d love to see Farrell or the head honchos at AVfM trying their luck at a gay club.
Don’t laugh, Kittehs…bears would probably say they were woofy.
Kitteh – that is an horrific image. Also, in most sexual marketplace situations, gay men over fifty, under five foot six, or a MoC are invisible. I would have great difficulty readjusting to the ‘dating game’ after two decades of married life. If what you’re after is sport-fucking, your options are much better as a white, able-bodied, cis gay man under thirty.
Reminded me of something a friend said years ago, regarding being an Asian gay man in San Francisco. He said there were two kinds of white gay men – the ones who wouldn’t see you standing next to them, and the ones who would spot you two blocks away in a heavy fog.
You will maybe be surprised how easy it is to cut the loaves into bars. There are demos on youtube if you need to see.
@LBT
“This is making me want to post trashy queercore shit”
Dooooeeeeet!
We all know it’s easier to be gay in this world. Warren Farrell said so.
Robert – it is quite a gross image, isn’t it? But the thought of how utterly invisible those idiots would be is really appealing. They like to pretend teh poor menz have such a hard time with nasty picky women, and that it’s sooooo much easier to be gay … well, try it, dudes, that’s all I can say. Leaving out their willful cluelessness about being gay and the bigotry one faces, I would just love to see the total FAIL of those guys in a club. They think they get mocked here …
There are gay guys who go for “papa bear” types, but there are nowhere near as many of them as there are of the kind who reflexively chase after cute young twinks. My best friend was one of the latter type when he first came out, and he had guys of all ages after him…but the most fanatical chasers were the older (and often, married) men. He wasn’t at all thrilled with that; I remember him very firmly telling me, “If I’m gonna be gay, I’m gonna be gay with someone my own age.” And that’s just what happened…within a year or so, he was happily paired up with his now hubby, who is just one year older.
They really have no idea just how much the combination of male privilege and being straight is protecting them from blunt, unvarnished commentary on their physical appearance. So let them go to a gay club, or post a profile on Grindr, and get some honest feedback. They’re not going to like it.
Bina – I reckon even a guy who fancied papa bear types would mock these clowns. Their hideous personalities would show up, and that’s before Pauly did the googly-eyed vein-popping rage thing.
General question: if I did a quick Elam as Jack Torrance pic, what scene would people recommend? I’m tempted by the frozen-in-the-snow one, but that might be a bit over the line, considering Johnny’s dead there.
Kittehs: it would have to be the famous “HEEEEEEEEERRRRRRE’S JOHNNY” scene.
Definitely the one where he’s coming through the door. You wouldn’t even need to edit the face at all, he has the expression down already.
It’d practically be a case of putting Elam’s eyeballs in over Nicholson’s face. 😛
So, here it is:
Heeere’s Pauly
RE: WWTH
For them to acknowledge gay bashing, they would have to stop being self-centered and realize that other people have their own experiences and struggles.
*sigh* Yeah, that or they take the g0y stance that we wouldn’t get bashed if we just didn’t act like such [gay slurs] all the time.
RE: Walter
But if you’re in a western nation that at least tries a little bit to protect homosexuals, and you’re just talking about casual, anonymous sex, it is easier to be gay.
Like I said to dunbe, boy, where do you LIVE? ‘Cause I want to move where you are. Also, you’re taking the statement out of context. Warren Farrell wasn’t saying it’s easier to pick up sex as a gay man; he was saying it’s just plain flat-out EASIER to be a gay man.
RE: Bina
Don’t laugh, Kittehs…bears would probably say they were woofy.
Not THIS bear, thank you very much! (Well, I’ve lost a lot of weight, the past year. But that’ll hopefully be fixed!)
There are gay guys who go for “papa bear” types, but there are nowhere near as many of them as there are of the kind who reflexively chase after cute young twinks.
I’m into the papa bear types (blame my family; all twinks to me look like my younger brother, causing insta-buzzkill) and I STILL wouldn’t have anything to do with these fuckers. I don’t fuck creepers, yo. I like NICE men.
RE: House Mouse Queen
Dooooeeeeet!
Your wish is my command! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RVkBwHeAqk
Also, this song seems totally relevant to the current conversation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS0vyJGia4Y
Weirwoodtreehugger
I acknowledged the real problems that gay people have in society. They face far more discrimination than straight people. I understand that and have never denied it.
Cassandrakitty
In all honesty, I’ve known men less attractive than these MRA guys who got a lot of sex. I’m fat, ugly, non white and have no social skills, but I was always able to find a partner. I got rejected a lot, but I was always able to find someone who fit my criteria.
You’re probably right about those guys wanting more than anonymous sex, though. I hadn’t thought about that, but you’re right. It’s not a purely sexual thing for these MRA people.