Roosh Valizadeh has made a career, such as it is, of teaching guys how to talk to women the Rooshy way. And not just how to talk to drunk women in clubs, where you’re lucky if they can even hear your clever negs over all the noise.
In his book Day Bang he sets forth his brilliant strategy for speaking to women in the daytime: start babbling to them about random crap like those slightly dotty elderly people who come up to you sometimes babbling about random crap.
No, really. You’re supposed to “open” with an “Elderly Opener” and segue seamlessly into “Elderly Chat,” taking your cues from the people who are the best at talking forever about nothing at all. “This is something old people excel at,” he writes.
They can have a one-hour chat stemming from an ice cream flavor because their life experience is so deep that they can seamlessly and casually connect it to a dozen other topics.
During the day I want you to think of yourself as a wandering, slightly confused old man who needs to gain information or knowledge. In my sock example, I played up that I was a style retard, incapable of buying a five-dollar pair of socks, when in reality I’m totally capable of making that decision.
And then – shazam! – you’re in like Flynn! Apparently women just melt for men who can’t figure out how to buy socks.
But it turns out that when there’s no possibility that the conversation will end with a bang, Roosh is far less interested in talking to women. Or at least in them talking back.
So much so that he’s not only banned women from commenting on his Return of Kings blog but, as of earlier this week, he’s also banning men who merely reply to women who happen to sneak past his anti-woman defenses and get in a comment or two before they’re banned. (He’s also banned “homos.” His term, not mine.)
Roosh’s announcement generated a good deal of discussion on RoK, mostly from supportive dudes glad that girls and talkers-to-girls are being thrown out of Roosh’s manly clubhouse.
Well, heck, that just means more women for me to talk to.
Excuse me, ladies, but I’m having trouble figuring out how these socks work. Do I put the delicious Pistachio ice cream in them before I put them on, or after?
Note: I really don’t want to give Roosh any traffc, but if you must, the link to his post is hidden somewhere in my post above. Thanks to MARK MINTER for alerting me to Roosh’s new policy.
David – More extracts from the book please! I always thought Roosh sounded silly when he was deliberately trying to be funny. Turns out when he’s being serious, he’s a riot.
@weirwoodtreehugger:
I came across a PUA who held Bundy up as an example of both an “alpha” and how to approach women without fear. I’ve also found several people who think he was a “hero” because he “didn’t take crap from ‘those b*tches'” and “gave them what they deserve.” Heartiste is even on board the “let’s blame the serial killers’ victims for their own deaths” because “women need to take responsibility for their actions.”
I don’t know if this was an attempt to be provocative and edgy, or they actually believe that stuff. I yelled at the screen when I read those things. Serial killers don’t have horns growing out of their heads, PUAs.
Sorry, for the rant that was just an aspect of this whole RedPill/PUA thing that I found the most upsetting.
If a guy came up to me, babbling about socks or ice-cream, of COURSE I’d be nice to him. It’s not because these are spectacular pick up moves but because I would think that he might be special needs or somewhere on the autism spectrum.
@Mnemosyne; I recently became aware of Heartiste. I’m pretty sure he’s a straight up bigoted sociopath. I know im new to this gross subculture- but It seems like homophobia and racism is largely tied to the MRA movement. Has anyone else noticed this?
Viscaria, he actually showed he’d become aware of the jerk he had been here in the past and that he understands that Manboobz has actual free speech. It was weird, and kinda awesome. It’s like you all got through to him or something.
I seriously missed Mark Minter’s dejerkification?! Well, anyway, that’s good.
Roosh really needs to cut the shit and admit he’s completely afraid of dealing with women. So he makes up his stupid “game.”
Roosh needs therapy, he’s unreasonably afraid of women.
Well, the Oily One and his saddo followers have their insecurities on show for one and all, doesn’t he? Roll up, roll up, see the men who are shit-scared of anyone not a cis man just like them, even in internet replies.
Ack. “Don’t they?” not “doesn’t he” – missed that when going plural.
Eliza – you are absolutely correct. And that, among other things, makes MRA’s useless hypocrites for the sake of their movement’s stated goals. For example, they may complain about how many more men than women are in prison – a legitimate grievance. But that imbalance is largely created by U.S. society’s racist treatment of black men – and MRA’s have no interest in helping “thugboys”.
Does anyone know if it was really Mark Minter? There was only one comment.
That the DooshV types are fearful of women masquerading as men and leaving stealth comments on their precious site puts me in mind of this Life of Brian scene:
We just need to remember the teachings of Mikey, the farmer from the Carolinas who lives DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH.
Unless the point of conversation
Is ultimately escalation
To the secret garden sex location
One must cease oration
For fear that the sensation
In her ladyparts hits cessation
Mnemosyne, I should have known PUAs would be the type to admire serial killers. It’s not a surprise at all.
What? Minty reformed?
As to admiring serial killers and blaming their victims…I can’t even
PUA boys, don’t talk to us. Please. We actually all do have cooties.
I couldn’t tell if Mark had really dejerked or not, but he did tell David he had his respect. So I think right there that means he can’t be a manosphere dude anymore. Let alone a manosphere hero.
IIRC, Mark’s comment was basically acknowledging that his previous writings were largely done out of a desire to troll, and he commended David for not just flat-out resorting to the banhammer, even when Minty was being deliberately provocative and insulting. I don’t know if he’s reformed the underlying misogyny of his views (he didn’t post anything either way), but at least he’s coming around on how adults work through their differences, which is a drastic improvement.
My gut reaction to random talk of socks: ‘Dumbledore? You’re alive?!’
LOL @ contapangloss.
If women are so fundamentally different from men, shouldn’t it be really easy to spot women posting under male pseudonyms? Why would that be a concern? Shouldn’t it be incredibly easy to set up a test that only a Real Man could pass? You know, like captcha, but with more sexism.
I’m for one am glad they becoming the exclusive club, no one want to be part of.
Are you, Roosh? Are you really? Your grody hair tells a very different story.
PS: Women aren’t really attracted to the superb conversational styles of old men, we talk with them because they’re frail and lonely and probably bored out of their skulls, bless them. I highly doubt you could get into anyone’s pants by appealing to pity; just ask all those moaning “incels” out there.
Hell, I’d fuck Gollum before I’d fuck these guys.
So the a website that proudly trolls the rest of the internet doesn’t want the female species to ever post there because women can only be trolls due to their alien female nature.
Also, a website whose focus is (allegedly) getting it’s male readers laid as often as possible thinks women are hormonally driven animals who drag down the high level of rational discourse taking place on it’s message board.
Got it. Makes total sense.