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Warren Farrell is an Ass, Man

Yep, that's a butt on the cover. He put a butt on the cover. Men are oppressed by women's butts.
Yep, that’s a butt on the cover. He put a butt on the cover. Men are oppressed by women’s butts.

You may remember the embarrassing spectacle a couple of months back when Warren Farrell asked the readers of A Voice for Men to help him pick out a cover picture for a new ebook version of The Myth of Male Power, the 21-year-old crackpot bestseller that more or less provided the, er, intellectual foundation for today’s Men’s Rights movement.

It wasn’t just embarrassing because AVFM is a noxious hate site that regularly calls women c*nts and whores and helps to organize informal campaigns of harassment directed at individual women. It was also embarrassing because all three of the pictures were sexualized images focusing on specific female body parts. You can guess which three, and you’d be right: tits, ass, and vagina (the latter tastefully covered in a merkin made of moss).

Well, Farrell ended up rejecting all of these images in favor of … a different picture of a woman’s butt. Yep, the screenshot above features the actual cover of the recently released ebook version of The Myth of Male Power. (You can see it in its full sized-glory over on Amazon.)

The implicit message of the cover couldn’t be clearer: men may seem to run the world, but women can control and exploit them through the power of their sexuality. Male power is undercut by … butt power.

Am I reading too much into a cover image? Farrell doesn’t really believe this nonsense, does he?

Well, in the introduction to the ebook, Farrell writes:

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In case you’re wondering, “genetic celebrity” is Farrell’s term of art for any attractive woman.

But golly, you say, the fact that a dude feels “powerless” because he can’t have sex with every woman with a nice butt that happens to wander across his field of vision doesn’t actually mean that men are powerless or that male power is a myth. Well, Farrell has an answer to this as well. And by “answer” I mean, well, whatever this is:

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Got that? I’m not sure there’s anything there to get; it’s nothing more than hand-waving to distract attention from the nonsensical nature of his previous statements. In case any Men’s Rights activist ever brings Warren Farrell up as an example of a respectable, “academic” MRA, you may wish to point out that almost nothing Farrell writes ever actually makes any fucking sense.

In the book itself, Farrell repeatedly suggested that male power can be undone almost completely by the sexual power of women. In one oft-quoted passage, he wrote about the effect that a “secretary’s miniskirt power, cleavage power and flirtation power” allegedly has on their male bosses. (Myth of Male Power, p. 21)

While that statement has earned a certain notoriety for its sheer ridiculousness, Farrell went further elsewhere in the book, essentially arguing that men are as addicted to female “beauty” as drug addicts are to the drug of their choice — and as helpless.

“Sexually, of course, the sexes aren’t equal,” Farrell wrote. “[M]any men feel ‘under the influence the moment they see a beautiful woman.” (p. 320, emphasis in original.)

This sort of temporary “intoxication,” Farrell argued, leads men into shackling themselves to these temporarily sexy tyrants for the rest of their lives — thus agreeing to support them (he suggested implicitly) even after they get old and ugly. (p. 85.)

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In Farrell’s original book, this “argument,” such as it is, was merely one of many that he thought undercut the alleged “myth of male power.” Now, with the butt on the cover, he’s put it front and center. Or, more precisely, rear and center.

Warren Farrell, you’re an ass, man.

Oh, awkward segue here, I just wanted to show off the cover to the new edition of my classic book, The Myth of Human Power.

mythhumanpower

It will soon be available for one million dollars in cash in unmarked bills, upon delivery of which I will sit down and write it for you. It will probably be pretty short and not very convincing.

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trans_commie
6 years ago

Budmin taking over a sex worker? Douchebag levels are rising exponentially.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

“I’ve been talking about validation from the beginning of this article. Not sex, validation.”

I thought the article was mocking the idea that men are helpless when it comes to a great ass and other various body parts?
Do you mean the man in this scenario, despite being hypnotized by a “genetic olympian,” still gets something out of it — namely, validation from his peers because he’s seen with her in public?

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

budmin: Validation in what form?

And do you even understand what Farrell, the guy your defending, is saying? ‘Cause Farrell definitely is talking about sex.

If you aren’t talking about sex, then what the hell did you mean when you said this:

Sexual capital is real and it can give you the power to make someone do something despite their own intentions.

So, if a man doesn’t receive the validation he believes he deserves from a woman, then that’s the woman’s fault? And that not receiving validation hurts a man so deeply that man is justified in physically hurting a woman?

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

all I could do is voice my concerns. If I think she’s headed down the wrong path I say so. If she chooses not to listen, it’s okay but I’m not gonna keep quiet.

No one likes a concern troll. Shut your cakehole, you judgmental prick.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Oh, and buddy, it’s “heroin” not heroine. Jesus.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

TW: Murder, rape

Budmin, you completely missed the point. I’m aware that sex workers are at greater risk of being the victim of violent crime. I’ve studied criminal psychology. Psychopathic murderers tend to go after sex workers because they make easy targets and are not likely to be missed by an upper class family that the media would care about. These killers tend to be missing empathy and they tend to be misogynistic. If a murderer has a strong desire to kill, he will do so. This would be true if prostitution were completely eradicated.
The point is, you are judging prostitutes harshly and claiming murder is just a natural consequence of prostitution as if the murderer is just passive in the whole situation. You are not harshly judging murderers or rapists. You are in effect, implying that violence is something that must happen to women who don’t behave in the correct (according to you) way.
The vast majority of murderers and rapists can and should just make the choice to not commit the murder or rape.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

budmin:

Although I’ve recommended ‘that you know who’ leaves prostitution behind but that’s where I draw the line on telling women how to live their lives.

And here’s the thing: No one asked you for your “recommendations.” It is not your place to tell anyone what they should or should not do.

The fact that you came in here thinking that you have an absolute right to tell complete strangers what they should or should not do and to proclaim value judgements about their life just goes to show what a privileged, arrogant asshole you really are.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

If troll is convinced he can only be validated as a man if a pretty woman beds him for free, then he is a sad and strange little man.

Healthy validation is not bequeathed by random pretty strangers.

Bonus: Men are totally not helpless in the face of normal women’s physical attributes. That’d be anglerfish. Or antechinus.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago
budmin
budmin
6 years ago

@Nitram well don’t quote me on this but for the most part, gay men patronize male sex workers more then women do. Then there’s the dichotomy between who’s the receiver and who’s the…well you know what I’m saying. I’m out of my element with this.

However I do feel strongly that women would sooner finance a handsome gigolo so that they could hold on to a semblance of companionship. I don’t think women want the hard transactions of male escorts. Also let’s not forget how much strength and confidence plays in a man’s overall attractiveness.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

well don’t quote me on this but for the most part, gay men patronize male sex workers more then women do. Then there’s the dichotomy between who’s the receiver and who’s the…well you know what I’m saying. I’m out of my element with this.

I am going to quote you because you’re so fucking stupid. Citation sorely needed, dipshit.

You’re out of your element entirely here. Shut the fuck up, Donny.

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Budmin,
If validation is not sex, then why is sex one pays for “false validation” and how do you know that sex workers and their customers hate each other? They may or may not like or respect one another, just like in any other business transaction or casual sexual encounter. Again, you are projecting and you aren’t doing a very good job of making yourself clear.

I’d like to reiterate that you are an awful human being if you think murder victims cause their own murders. Then, you’ve gone well out of your way to make it clear that men are never responsible for their actions. You don’t think very highly of men. Misogynists never do.

gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Well, trolly-bud is more than a bit of an asshole, but he gets surprisingly close to a point here

Well then maybe we as men should do something about the social conditioning we go through that makes us such prime targets for manipulation.

I personally wholeheartedly support the idea that men and women both should resist all forms of social conditioning that suggests we should conform to rigid gender stereotypes and treat people with more or less compassion and decency in keeping with the degree to which they conform to anachronistic gender-based roles. But hey, that’s what makes me a feminist!

Buddy-boo, no one says that there aren’t pretty people out there, but dude, you are totally responsible for how you act, not them. If you spent a little more time developing a sense of self worth based on your own actions and accomplishments, you might feel less need to get affirmation from random pretty people on the street. As a side benefit, while you’re out and about doing all that going your own way, you might meet people who aren’t emotionally stunted and filled with rage, and form friendships and even relationships based on those mutual interests and activities. You know, the way most human beings tend to do.

Or you could totally stay holed up in your basement, whinging about your fear of being manipulated by people who expect you to treat them with common courtesy and decency. It’s totally your choice, but if you are miserable, don’t blame it on feminists or pretty people. You made that bed, bucko, you go lie in it.

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Budmin,
Here’s a little fact that seems to have completely escaped you: Women are just as likely to desire and enjoy sex as men. The reasons that women are less likely to pay for sex include social stigma, fear of rape and murder, and knowing that you may take those risks and still not get off. It isn’t because we crave companionship more than men or sex less. See men are human beings with feelings too and they also want companionship. The thing you are missing here is that companionship and sex do not need to come from the same people.

…and if you think that women don’t pay sex workers, you’ve never gone to a strip club with a group of lesbians or seen a woman pay a male stripper to pick her up, turn her upside down and grind his sweaty crotch in her face. I admit that the site of men and women lining up to pay for that maneuver surprised me too. But it was a popular move. Now, I’m no expert, but I don’t think those women were seeking companionship. I think they were seeking some ball sweat on their faces.

Binjabreel
Binjabreel
6 years ago

If this piece of shit bud actually worked as the guard for a woman’s shelter then I’m all kinds of depressed.

You’re a worthless sack of shit wrapped in a tshirt, budmin. The oxygen you waste by breathing would be better put to use manufacturing plastic vomit.

budmin
budmin
6 years ago

@Shiraz I totally agree she is being used as an ornament to that man’s stature amoung his buddies. But if she knows this already then she’s probably dealing with him for his financial wealth. The very same weath he earned by being more business savvy and diligent then other men she passed over to be with him. That’s what WF is saying right? Our achievements allows us access yo commercially attractive women.

@Sparky: yes broken men belive that women are tyranical gate keepers of our self confidence. When we realize that we’ll never get that validation, that acceptance, that social approval, then we do all the dumb shit you see on the news. (Street harassment, up skirts and other creepy stuff)

And yes I am a mansplsining semi-literaturate asshole who uses his own personal experiences as the bases of all human behaviour ..but I’m not a troll and if I’m wrong ill own up to it.

Skye
Skye
6 years ago

Well you got the first half of your last sentence correct at least (that’s the most you’ve been right about on this thread)

trans_commie
6 years ago

Shorter budmin: “Listen to men or else they will sexually victimize women!”

When are you guys going to realize that no one here is going to take that seriously?

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

but I’m not a troll and if I’m wrong ill own up to it.

Then you should apologize for existing on this thread. Your wrong is fractal, like Farrell’s.

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Budmin,
OK. I think you’re making progress. You’ve added “broken” as a qualifier to “men”. I disagree that that is why men harass and abuse women, but at least we have made some progress.
Bud, the idea that bullies are just sad people who need a hug has been demonstrated to be false. Bullies bully because they feel their targets deserve abuse and because they know they can get away with bullying. In this scenario the bully is not the victim. The victim is still the victim. You are arguing from a pace of privilege so high up that you cannot see the world the rest of us live in. “We can’t get your attention or see you as fully human so we kill you” is not argument for female power. While I agree that society sends fucked up messages to men about what masculinity is, that does not mean that patriarchy isn’t a very real thing.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Well, look, I’m pretty sure, all that “dumb shit” you see on the news — you meant violent crimes, right? Well, not feeling validated by women isn’t an arguement that will hold up in court — it should be obvious why. Most people who don’t recieve external validation and need to don’t generally turn to crime as a way to feel satisfaction. The fact that you’re making this sound like normative behavior is weird. You’re oversimplying really complicated social issues here. Also, you seem to think women are responsible for keeping murderers from murdering or whatever else you meant by “dumb shit” featured on the news. Is that what you think?
The business about pretty women benefitting from a rich dude (who is in turn using her to make his friends jealous or whatever), well, errrr, OK. All pretty women don’t date rich dudes, in fact, I’m sure there aren’t that many rich dudes to go around. Also, if you feel it’s still an unfair transaction, then can we count on your support whenever we ask for fair wage pay and will you encourage women to enter the workforce and stand up for their right to make as much money as their male peers?
Also, pretty people hold jobs all the time. When you see a pretty woman do you naturally conclude she’s not earning a living and doesn’t want to? And even if she says she does, you don’t take her seriously? That may explain why I have been passed over for a raise before, despite excellent work reviews.

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

When we realize that we’ll never get that validation, that acceptance, that social approval, then we do all the dumb shit you see on the news. (Street harassment, up skirts and other creepy stuff)

Blame it on the females, MRA troll style.

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

Bullies bully because they feel their targets deserve abuse and because they know they can get away with bullying.

Most people who don’t recieve external validation and need to don’t generally turn to crime as a way to feel satisfaction.

This is actually the point WF and sad little budmin wish to erase from the surface of the plante: the idea that men CHOOSE to do things to women.

The fact that a lot of men CHOOSE NO TO engage in what they like to pretend is their “natural behavior”, is proof enough of how much bullshit they need to thow at the simplest of facts.

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Bud still hasn’t admitted he was wrong about the commenters here accusing him of wanting to get in their pants. So, it’s clear that he does not admit when he’s wrong.

budmin
budmin
6 years ago

@ Leatapp:

1) feminism has elevated the price of female companionship past what a large segment of the male population is capable or willing to pay.

2) When I say validation I mean everything to include touch, warmth, affection, intimacy and understanding. More and more men are going to be brought up into a world without these interactions so to consolidate our experiences under a banner makes perfect sense. #MGTOW

@Binjabreel I’ve broken up more domestic violence incidents then I could count. They were lucky to have me.

@weirwoodtreehugger: The young lady met her client at a club he took her back to his place where they did the transaction. When she couldn’t find her cell phone she pulled out a knife and chased him to his car. The man watched as she cut up his car threatening him to come out. He pulled a gun out of his glove compartment and shop at the window.

It wasn’t a mystery it was just violent and tragic.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

I totally agree she is being used as an ornament to that man’s stature amoung his buddies. But if she knows this already then she’s probably dealing with him for his financial wealth. The very same weath he earned by being more business savvy and diligent then other men she passed over to be with him. That’s what WF is saying right? Our achievements allows us access yo commercially attractive women.

Sigh. So, then, who has the power in that dynamic? The wealthy man or the woman who must seduce and flatter and latch onto to the wealthy man and pray he doesn’t dump her for some younger woman once she starts getting old and no longer “commercially attractive?”

yes broken men belive that women are tyranical gate keepers of our self confidence. When we realize that we’ll never get that validation, that acceptance, that social approval, then we do all the dumb shit you see on the news. (Street harassment, up skirts and other creepy stuff)

And it’s solely the fault and responsibility of those who are choosing to do “dumb shit.” Women are not the gatekeepers of men’s self-confidence. Low self-confidence is not an excuse for shitty behavior of any kind, up to and including violence. Not receiving “validation” from a woman is not an excuse for shitty behavior of any kind, up to including violence.

This is something that seems painfully obvious to me.

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Arch…I just caught that. Women being harassed, assaulted and abused is just “dumb stuff” and of course, we’ve only heard of it on the news. No, asshole, most women get to live it. We don’t need to hear about it on the news.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

feminism has elevated the price of female companionship past what a large segment of the male population is capable or willing to pay.

How so? Do tell.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

badmin:

feminism has elevated the price of female companionship past what a large segment of the male population is capable or willing to pay.

Bullshit. With this sentence you’ve proven you know nothing about feminism. Stop trying to criticize something you know zilch about.

When I say validation I mean everything to include touch, warmth, affection, intimacy and understanding. More and more men are going to be brought up into a world without these interactions so to consolidate our experiences under a banner makes perfect sense.

Most men have absolutely no problem finding touch, warmth, affection, intimacy and understanding. That is because, thankfully, most men are total asshats who think women are some kind of subhuman object. Most men view woman as human beings. Also, BTW, what makes you think women don’t also desire touch, warmth, affection, intimacy and understanding?

#MGTOW

WTF is with these stupid hash tags? What are you, 12? You’re 12, aren’t you?

And what exactly are you trying to prove with that gruesome little story?

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

You #1 requires a citation. I’ll hold my breath while you go find it.
..and if respect an autonomy is too high a price to pay, then who the fuck wants that man’s companionship anyway? Seriously, respect or GTFO. Nobody needs a person in their life who views their humanity and equality as a burden. Feminism is the only movement that has ever fought back against the very warped view of masculinity you keep insisting you are against.

Your #2 sounds alot like sex with a healthy dose of one directional ego stroking. Intimate touching = sex. What is it exactly that you think a woman would gain from such a relationship?

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Oh dear:

“1) feminism has elevated the price of female companionship past what a large segment of the male population is capable or willing to pay.”

Um, fella, I’m going to have to ask if you know what feminism even is? As in, have you ever read a book about it? Or did you get all your information from MRAs? Because I don’t recall any feminist guidelines that involve women becomming more effective golddiggers. What are you talking about when you say the movement “elevated the price of female companionship”? Give me a citation where a noted feminist encouraged women to charge for their companionship, please.

“2) When I say validation I mean everything to include touch, warmth, affection, intimacy and understanding. More and more men are going to be brought up into a world without these interactions so to consolidate our experiences under a banner makes perfect sense. #MGTOW”

That sounds like a threat that no one here would ever be actually afraid of.
Do you not know of any man in a happy relationship? Or have you never experienced one before and assume no other man has. Why are you assuming their are legions of men who never experienced a hug before?

“@Binjabreel I’ve broken up more domestic violence incidents then I could count.”

I’ve broken up a couple myself. I didn’t ask for a medal afterwards. Are you? Oh wait, you are…

“They were lucky to have me.”

“@weirwoodtreehugger: The young lady met her client at a club he took her back to his place where they did the transaction. When she couldn’t find her cell phone she pulled out a knife and chased him to his car.”

Yes. This sounds scary. Point?

“The man watched as she cut up his car threatening him to come out. He pulled a gun out of his glove compartment and shop at the window.”

You mean “shot” ?
Oh, wait, your backpedaling now. Claiming all men are victimized by sex workers who turn them into sex junkies sounded absurd to even you, hence you telling this story to make it sound like sex workers usually terrorize their clients. And maybe you think it’s a counterpoint to our arguements that men choose to hurt women.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

That is because, thankfully, most men are total asshats who think women are some kind of subhuman object.

Argh! That should read “…most men are NOT total asshats.”

Most men are NOT total asshats, thankfully.

Sorry for any confusion, everyone. Please accept this kitty eating a snowcone:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_70rJ1ndenM0/SNlx2Ua5GKI/AAAAAAAAFQ0/Njd0c866bpo/s1600-h/Unbenannt-1.jpg

cloudiah
6 years ago

So feminism has brought women more financial and other independence, meaning that they’re no longer under as much pressure to accept abusive or unwanted relationships in order to survive — and this is a bad thing?

cloudiah
6 years ago

BTW, that’s my take on what “feminism has elevated the price of female companionship” means.

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

I’m also waiting to hear what the point of the gun/knife fight was. Is that one confrontation supposed to demonstrate the dynamic between all sex workers and their clientele?

gillyrosebee
6 years ago

“1) feminism has elevated the price of female companionship past what a large segment of the male population is capable or willing to pay.”

Um, fella, I’m going to have to ask if you know what feminism even is? As in, have you ever read a book about it? Or did you get all your information from MRAs? Because I don’t recall any feminist guidelines that involve women becomming more effective golddiggers. What are you talking about when you say the movement “elevated the price of female companionship”? Give me a citation where a noted feminist encouraged women to charge for their companionship, please.

Well, you know, women now expect to be treated with respect and to have agency (the right to say no to anyone they want for any reason they want). They also expect to have the freedom to earn a living and live the life they choose, without being pressured to conform to outdated societal norms or to latch on to any available man (no matter how badly he behaves or how horribly he treats her) in order to be able to get a bank account, buy a car or a home, etc.

Buddy-boo is right in that there is a percentage of the population for whom treating a woman like a real, live person is just too much to ask. I just don’t think the percentage is as high as he would like people to believe.

gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Ninja’d by cloudiah!

budmin
budmin
6 years ago

@Sparky @Hellkell see this is a perfect example of y’all disagreeing with me for a stupid reason. Of course feminism has women in the job market, more in higher paying carrier feilds, more women who refuse to settle down, more women who are choosing their jobs over there marriages and more women who don’t want to be married to their work aday spouses any longer. Am I making this up? No.

I’m not even going to mention the divorce laws.

It’s every man for more appropriately every woman for herself in this modern era.

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Sparky,
Thanks for the new desktop background.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

leatapp: 🙂

budmin: So, basically, you’re admitting your butt-hurt that women can and do take care of themselves without having to be completely dependent on men; and that women have lives and wants and needs of their own that they feel completely justified in pursuing, whethe or not a random man approves or disapproves? That women aren’t stopping whatever they are doing to cater to the hurt fee-fees of whatever man thinks he deserves her time and attention, no matter what she wants?

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

A list of things that are actually good:

“Of course feminism has women in the job market, more in higher paying carrier feilds, more women who refuse to settle down, more women who are choosing their jobs over there marriages and more women who don’t want to be married to their work aday spouses any longer…”

The last one is good, if in fact, the woman chooses not to be married anymore for any reason.

Why don’t you approve of sex workers? It sounds like you’re in favor of marriage or relationships that mirror prostitution.

Skye
Skye
6 years ago

Shiraz, I’m going to hazard a guess that while those marriages resemble prostitution in way, the key issue trollboy has is that the woman is completely powerless in those senarios. Hookergal pointed out that she can say no.

cloudiah
6 years ago

Since minibud is boring, I’m going to attempt to change the conversation to discussing the terrible skit Saturday Night Live did last night about MRAs:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/jewelry-party/2755299

Full of virgin- and appearance-shaming and other racist (those Latin women, amirite?) crap, missing the point about what’s wrong with the “movement,” and also completely unfunny.

There are a bunch of threads up on r/mr about it, which is probably the most amusing part of the whole thing.

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Bud,
Yet marriage is so popular that same sex couples are striving for the right to marry and straight folks continue to marry whenever they like. Not everyone wants to marry. Not all people who marry wish to remain that way. Funny how you suggest that it is men who don’t want to “pay” for companionship with basic respect, but then claim that it is women who are making the choice not to marry. So, what you are saying is that people once married because it was socially unacceptable not to and because women were forced into marriage in order to survive and now they are free to make the choices that are best for them and that isn’t always marriage. That hardly means it’s every man for himself. It means that people have fought for and won personal freedom. That’s not a bad thing, Bud. Also, love, sex and companionship still exist outside of marriage. You don;t seem to understand the difference between you being unhappy that women are free to choose to be with other men or not with men at all and all love and light disappearing from the world.

It has been said, but I’m gonna say it again: Men are still having happy, healthy relationships with women. Many men enjoy being in mutually respectful relationships with independent women who are only with them because they wish to be and would not want a woman to be stuck settling for them or using them as a source of income out of desperation. There are men who do not see women as a means to an end and being decent people as the high price they pay for nookie.

If you see yourself as being such a low life, then no woman can help you see yourself as anything better. You have got to fix your view of yourself and of others, because it’s as twisted as a corkscrew. You are choosing to be bitter and see the world through a skewed lens where everyone else’s lemons are sour. This is actually good news for you. You don’t have to be an embittered jerk. You don’t have to accept twisted ideas about masculinity. You don’t have to be afraid of women.

budmin
budmin
6 years ago

@Nloudiah_”So feminism has brought women more financial and other independence, meaning that they’re no longer under as much pressure to accept abusive or unwanted relationships in order to survive — and this is a bad thing?”

No. It’s not a bad thing, but at this point it’s becoming a survival thing for men too. We have to consolidate our wealth. We have to figure out what’s the best way to petition the state for assistence. We have to cut off the excess baggage of societal expectations. We have to define masculinity on terms so that we could hold our heads high. We have to learn how to say no to a system that is getting more hostel towards us by the day. We need to learn how to live with each other as men.

trans_commie
6 years ago

So, to budmin, loss of privilege = increased hostility

Hmm…

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Cloudiah,
Blah…I don’t want to watch it. It sounds horrible. It sounds like another swing and miss from SNL. That reminds me of an old flash animation cartoon called Naked Angry Pat in which he and his roommate decide to “drink until SNL is funny again”. They end up blacking out.

Malitia
Malitia
6 years ago

@Shiraz

My guess is twofold:
1) He wants women to save more than their body. (So yes. Not saying no and such pesky things.)
2) He also wants to keep “plausible” deniability. (In a mock voice of wounded dignity: “Of course I don’t frequent sexworkers I’m married!”)

Malitia
Malitia
6 years ago

save -> sell. I really shouldn’t drunk post. :/

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

I think I’m bored now.

Ok. Gonna start Sunday dinner. Bye everyone.