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Manosphere drama: Roosh Valizadeh reportedly arrested in Poland after “violent confrontation” [UPDATE: It’s a hoax]

Roosh, apparently in custody in Poland. Photo from Roosh V Forum
Roosh, either in custody in Poland or posing in a jail cell for some publicity stunt. Photo from Roosh V Forum

UPDATE: Increasingly implausible posts from Tuthmosis, the source of all the “information” about Roosh’s alleged arrest, make it pretty clear this was a hoax.

UPDATE 2: And Roosh has officially admitted it:

Tuthmosis and I conspired to prank the internet that I was in jail. The picture used is from the German DDR museum. …

I expect many of you to be annoyed, and I hope Tuth and I didn’t betray your trust with the prank, but the security and viability of the forum was never compromised and the picture was just too good not to use. Credit goes to Tuth for his “new rules” (http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-33639-…#pid667804 ), which—if you were in on the joke—was quite amusing. I also did not expect the story to be as believed as it was, since there are many flaws in the picture that suggest it’s not a real jail cell, but on the other hand, the prospect of me going to jail is not unexpected. If you are pissed off, I recommend you read Tuth’s bulletins to see the humor in the prank (the “bill me later” option was my favorite).

I do sincerely appreciate the thoughts of concern of my Polish imprisonment. Now of course I really will be jailed and no one will believe it because of this false jailing accusation. In case of a real “involuntary absence” from the forum, I trust Tuth to continue moderation efforts. For many years he has selflessly helped me maintain the community we have and not actually gone mad with power.

On a positive note, we managed to troll the tub of estrogen Manboobz and his readers.

Interesting that the people who fell the hardest for his hoax were his own fans. Also, I’m not sure that me posting something that essentially said “here’s something that looks a bit fishy that’s being reported by someone who may well be lying” really counts as “being trolled.”

ORIGINAL POST:

Before I go into any details here I want to say that all of this is coming from Roosh’s forum and hasn’t been confirmed in any way. So treat it with however much skepticism you deem appropriate. For all I know this could be some bizarre publicity stunt to promote Roosh’s blog and his reprehensible Return of Kings website.

But according to Roosh’s pal “Tuthmosis,” who says he is getting his info from a friend of Roosh in Poland, Roosh has been arrested after some sort of violent “confrontation.” Here’s his description of what allegedly happened:

  • Roosh had a violent “confrontation” in Poland

  • He was apprehended by Polish authorities

  • He’s being (or already has been) charged with some sort of crime and being held in jail

In a followup comment he offered additional details about the alleged incident:

  • Confrontation was with Paul/Andre, his gypsy stalker

  • Didn’t start violent, but escalated quickly

  • Witnesses pointed to Roosh

  • There were “serious injuries”

  • Roosh is definitely being charged with something

In response to some skeptics who suggested this might all be a hoax, he wrote:

I too was hopeful this was some sort of joke–even if it meant me having egg on my face–but I just got a message from a second source. This is a guy who does back-end work for ROK and I’ve personally met, so I have no reason to doubt him.

Roosh is definitely being charged with a (serious) crime. The gypsy apparently took a nasty beating. What’s more, witnesses (who may be acquaintances of the gypsy) claim that Roosh was speaking epithets at him and may have used an object to strike him. I don’t know what the Polish laws are, but these circumstances apparently add to the severity of the crime. I got a couple of calls out to see what his legal prospects are, but the language barriers and time difference are making information hard to come by.

Naturally, Roosh’s fans being a bunch of racist assholes, the alleged ethnicity of Roosh’s alleged stalker led to some lovely generalizations about “gypsies” and this comment, from “Walter White,” who suggested that anti-“gypsy” bigotry might just get Roosh off the hook:

Scary stuff. I’ve travelled extensively in the region, and gypsies aren’t well thought of in Eastern Europe. Sounds terrible, but that’s the way it is. I guess an analogy for Americans would be like if a white dude got into a fight with a black guy in the 1940’s in the South. As wrong as it may be, the white guy would be given the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Roosh will get the benefit of that with regard to a fight with a gypsy. Then again, he’s not a Pole – so he’s not gonna get much “home team” advantage.

I guess we’ll see, huh?

That is, assuming this isn’t all a publicity stunt.

Odd that Roosh appears to have emerged apparently unscathed from such an allegedly violent confrontation. His hair isn’t even mussed up.

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kittehserf
10 years ago

Either he was trolling or there was a post about some shit he wrote, Bina – can’t recall which.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Bina: Yeah, he did. He was this particularly clueless vile human being:


http://manboobz.com/2014/01/16/become-a-total-alpha-male-sex-god-by-spitting-in-womens-mouths/

He seems like exactly the kind of person who might’ve seen the inside of a jail cell at some point.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Oh yeah, he was the turd who had this post and then got himself banned in the comments:

http://manboobz.com/?s=fisto

Ally S
10 years ago

I was trying to score dark triad points. If girls find out I’ve been in jail, I will get more sex, etc.

Actual words from Roosh in that thread LOL what a weirdo

kittehserf
10 years ago

Ninjaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaed!

Ally S
10 years ago

Next time I want to flirt with a cute girl I’ll tell her that I was jailed for possessing an ounce of marijuana*. That’s sure to make her gina tingle.

*never actually happened don’t worry guys

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Wasn’t he the one who claimed to be named after a dog who’d died and was trying to make us feel bad for mocking his name for that reason? Slimy asshole, iirc.

kittehserf
10 years ago

But I thought Roosh was meant to be having sex ALL THE TIME anyway – or he’d decided he doesn’t really like it and it’s got nothing to do with him becoming impotent, not at all – so why would he need some extra lie to get more sex?

Are his blow-up dolls starting to give the side-eye to his tales?

Ally S
10 years ago

Yep, he was.

kittehserf
10 years ago

cassandra, yup, that was him.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Fisto was the guy who’s red pill was a stool softener.

He seemed to think lions pooped out Sean Connery.

Bina
10 years ago

@sparky: Thanks, I knew I recognized that name from somewhere. Ewwwww.

And speaking of ewwwwwwwww:

I was trying to score dark triad points. If girls find out I’ve been in jail, I will get more sex, etc.

LOL, what a pathetic admission. Why not just get a tattoo in your forehead reading “Will Sex For Food”, if you’re that hard up for action? I had a boyfriend who was jailed once, and not only did I NOT find him more attractive for it, I was actively ashamed of him. Especially in front of my folks.

cloudiah
10 years ago

He lost two highly “respected” forum members over this.

thedude3737 (all links go to rooshvforum.com):

Yeah, I’m gonna be taking a break from RVF for a while. We’ll see.

Look, I’m gonna call this one how I see it. Over the years I’ve seen PLENTY of guys banned for presenting false information or otherwise trolling the forum. You two have run a tight ship to make sure the quality of this forum stays high. You’ve also made comments about senior level members “outgrowing” the forum and perhaps it’s time for them to move on. Perhaps that could apply to you two as well and you’re taking this thing that you’ve created for granted.

This was a major misstep. You’ve got guys in real life ready to take action and contribute real money to help a serious situation. I don’t know of another online forum with that level of camaraderie. I’d like to think of this forum as a group of guys that are above such antics and internet drama.

You might think this post is overly dramatic but I treat this forum as an extension of my real life. This isn’t some fantasy forum where I take on an anonymous alter-ego and turn into someone completely different; I try to rep myself on the boards just the way I am in real life. For that reason I take this forum seriously, and I’m not the only one. In return, I would expect to be taken seriously.

If this is too inflammatory you’re free to suspend or ban me. I’ve made some great contacts through the forum and I’d be happy keeping those contacts outside of the online realm.

Peace out.

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“…so I gave her an STD, and she STILL wanted to bang me.”

Gotta love his forum signature. Classy.

And MikeCF:

I love you guys and would never hate on you.

I’m signing off, though.

I was about to start calling around people IN REAL LIFE to find a Polish speaking lawyer and was going to lay down the cash needed to get the ball rolling, if needed.

I dunno…In my world this just isn’t cool or funny or something you make light of. It’s serious business that means I drop everything to get shit handled.

In fact a forum member with a date rape scenario contacted me and I dropped everything to help him. Walked him through what to expect, reassured him, gave him a rational assessment of what could happen. (It all ended up just fine for him in the end.)

Anyhow, not looking to start drama. This just doesn’t work for me. Maybe there needs to be a “Trigger Warning: If you’ve actually been in jail or helped people get out of jail, this is a hoax. Don’t read.”

No hard feelings and much love, but I’m signing off for good.

But my favorite part is Tuthmosis’ passive-aggressive response:

While I understand that the hoax may have come off (to some guys) as a bit harsh–and some of your criticisms are fair–let’s keep this thing in perspective.

1. The statements about losing credibility in a single afternoon means your loyalty is easy to lose. I, for one, take people in the aggregate. Plenty of guys have irritated me, disappointment me, or outright angered me at some point, but I’ve never dismissed them–or their work–out of hand.

2. A bad joke (and not everyone agrees that it was bad) isn’t grounds for you to take your ball and go home. Your membership and contributions are valued here, and you’re free to express your disappointment, but the idea that this is somehow an irreversible slight is absurd. If a joke isn’t funny, don’t laugh, and maybe complain, but don’t make it into a federal case. How is that different than how some women have reacted to comedians telling rape jokes?

3. The supposed “hypocrisy” here is a myth. There are guys here who, had they not had a net-positive contribution to the forum, would have been banned 10 times over for the things they’ve said and done–on more than one occasion. We constantly give guys the benefit of their oeuvre of work; you could extend the same courtesy.

If we can accept a mea culpa on what was probably a bad joke, you can accept that guys are busting their hump day in and day out to make this, and keep this, a good community for all. I don’t want to go there, but weigh the good with the bad like adults. Even this joke was attempt to give you something to chuckle about.

We cut the prank short when we saw guys were being affected by it in ways that we didn’t anticipate. And, we’ve come forward and said “my bad.” Can you turn around and be cool, or are you going to hold a grudge?

What a beta!

Ally S
10 years ago

I think the guys who’ve gone to jail for committing embezzlement are so hawt. /s

kittehserf
10 years ago

Why not just get a tattoo in your forehead reading “Will Sex For Food”, if you’re that hard up for action?

If it was payment after sex, he’d starve.

cloudiah
10 years ago

I’m finding that forum thread hilarious. Here’s another comment:

Another irony is that damage was done to RVF not by some fat feminists but by it’s own trusted membership. We have met the enemy and he is us? Kind of takes some wind out of the momentum built up in 2013.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

The statements about losing credibility in a single afternoon means your loyalty is easy to lose.

Nope. It means you screwed up big time.

kittehserf
10 years ago

(all links go to rooshvforum.com):

Thanks cloudiah! 🙂

I don’t know of another online forum with that level of camaraderie.

Doesn’t look around much, does he?

Toothy’s response is so typical. “You don’t get to decide how you respond to my behaviour!”

cloudiah
10 years ago

The popcorn, it’s so buttery:

For the non-Americans out there, investigating options to help that puts my real identity at risk of discovery carries far more weight than in your country. And I’m not talking third world nations, but countries like England, France and Australia.

If I wrote an article entitled ’24 Signs She’s A Slut’ or ‘Girls With Short Hair Are Damaged’, I could be charged under anti-vilification and anti-hate speech laws, and imprisoned, an experience that defined me as a young man and that I have no wish to revisit. This is the risk I take with every comment I make on here, but I say what I say for the sake of hoping young guys might understand the psychological motivations that drive women before they get fucked over by them.

In return for the risk I take, my loyalty is called into disrespect when I’m – and let’s be honest – fucked with for the sake of being fucked with. In which case, yes, I question my loyalty. What exactly do I really know about you guys except that I always trust for you to deliver straight talk? Honour, the value of a man’s word, strength, and loyalty is part of the masculine contract, and if it doesn’t go both ways, then, yes, you lose my loyalty.

The next time you’re writing Clickbait, secure in the knowledge of your first ammendment protection – and I say this with enough contempt for you to consider it a bannable offense – Check your fucking privilege.

Bina
10 years ago

Toothy’s response is so typical. “You don’t get to decide how you respond to my behaviour!”

I bet he says that to all the girls, too.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Oh yeah, who was that twerp who was on about short hair, again?

Priceless seeing them parrotting “check your privilege” on there.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

This is magnificently amusing.

A bad joke (and not everyone agrees that it was bad) isn’t grounds for you to take your ball and go home.

Wait, wait, wait; is he saying that people are not allowed to stop reading and commenting on an Internet forum?

kittehserf
10 years ago

Bina – yep, that’s exactly what I was thinking.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Wait, wait, wait; is he saying that people are not allowed to stop reading and commenting on an Internet forum?

They’ll be WARNED and FINED if they try!

insanitybytes22
10 years ago

“we managed to troll the tub of estrogen..”

I’m trying to decide what is more pathetic, faking your imprisonment to try and get some attention or thinking that being a Polish felon would upgrade your resume with girls?

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