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Manosphere drama: Roosh Valizadeh reportedly arrested in Poland after “violent confrontation” [UPDATE: It’s a hoax]

Roosh, apparently in custody in Poland. Photo from Roosh V Forum
Roosh, either in custody in Poland or posing in a jail cell for some publicity stunt. Photo from Roosh V Forum

UPDATE: Increasingly implausible posts from Tuthmosis, the source of all the “information” about Roosh’s alleged arrest, make it pretty clear this was a hoax.

UPDATE 2: And Roosh has officially admitted it:

Tuthmosis and I conspired to prank the internet that I was in jail. The picture used is from the German DDR museum. …

I expect many of you to be annoyed, and I hope Tuth and I didn’t betray your trust with the prank, but the security and viability of the forum was never compromised and the picture was just too good not to use. Credit goes to Tuth for his “new rules” (http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-33639-…#pid667804 ), which—if you were in on the joke—was quite amusing. I also did not expect the story to be as believed as it was, since there are many flaws in the picture that suggest it’s not a real jail cell, but on the other hand, the prospect of me going to jail is not unexpected. If you are pissed off, I recommend you read Tuth’s bulletins to see the humor in the prank (the “bill me later” option was my favorite).

I do sincerely appreciate the thoughts of concern of my Polish imprisonment. Now of course I really will be jailed and no one will believe it because of this false jailing accusation. In case of a real “involuntary absence” from the forum, I trust Tuth to continue moderation efforts. For many years he has selflessly helped me maintain the community we have and not actually gone mad with power.

On a positive note, we managed to troll the tub of estrogen Manboobz and his readers.

Interesting that the people who fell the hardest for his hoax were his own fans. Also, I’m not sure that me posting something that essentially said “here’s something that looks a bit fishy that’s being reported by someone who may well be lying” really counts as “being trolled.”

ORIGINAL POST:

Before I go into any details here I want to say that all of this is coming from Roosh’s forum and hasn’t been confirmed in any way. So treat it with however much skepticism you deem appropriate. For all I know this could be some bizarre publicity stunt to promote Roosh’s blog and his reprehensible Return of Kings website.

But according to Roosh’s pal “Tuthmosis,” who says he is getting his info from a friend of Roosh in Poland, Roosh has been arrested after some sort of violent “confrontation.” Here’s his description of what allegedly happened:

  • Roosh had a violent “confrontation” in Poland

  • He was apprehended by Polish authorities

  • He’s being (or already has been) charged with some sort of crime and being held in jail

In a followup comment he offered additional details about the alleged incident:

  • Confrontation was with Paul/Andre, his gypsy stalker

  • Didn’t start violent, but escalated quickly

  • Witnesses pointed to Roosh

  • There were “serious injuries”

  • Roosh is definitely being charged with something

In response to some skeptics who suggested this might all be a hoax, he wrote:

I too was hopeful this was some sort of joke–even if it meant me having egg on my face–but I just got a message from a second source. This is a guy who does back-end work for ROK and I’ve personally met, so I have no reason to doubt him.

Roosh is definitely being charged with a (serious) crime. The gypsy apparently took a nasty beating. What’s more, witnesses (who may be acquaintances of the gypsy) claim that Roosh was speaking epithets at him and may have used an object to strike him. I don’t know what the Polish laws are, but these circumstances apparently add to the severity of the crime. I got a couple of calls out to see what his legal prospects are, but the language barriers and time difference are making information hard to come by.

Naturally, Roosh’s fans being a bunch of racist assholes, the alleged ethnicity of Roosh’s alleged stalker led to some lovely generalizations about “gypsies” and this comment, from “Walter White,” who suggested that anti-“gypsy” bigotry might just get Roosh off the hook:

Scary stuff. I’ve travelled extensively in the region, and gypsies aren’t well thought of in Eastern Europe. Sounds terrible, but that’s the way it is. I guess an analogy for Americans would be like if a white dude got into a fight with a black guy in the 1940’s in the South. As wrong as it may be, the white guy would be given the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Roosh will get the benefit of that with regard to a fight with a gypsy. Then again, he’s not a Pole – so he’s not gonna get much “home team” advantage.

I guess we’ll see, huh?

That is, assuming this isn’t all a publicity stunt.

Odd that Roosh appears to have emerged apparently unscathed from such an allegedly violent confrontation. His hair isn’t even mussed up.

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Does anyone have a link to the threads about “Mellertopia” handy? It was pretty special even by MRA standards.

BTW, I know there were some people who found his shit genuinely upsetting. If it’s bugging anyone just let me know and I’ll stop talking about it.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Meller stopped being funny when told Ithiliana that her grad student deserved her murder.

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

What. What. What. What.

That is just… a wee bit creepy. State-enforced rape? Really?

kittehserf
10 years ago

Oh, I’ve no trouble understanding the anthropomorphising; I did that with all my toys, and still do to an extent. But I’d never want a conversation with someone pretending to be Dinah, for instance. Just the opposite, it’d be a huge crossing of boundaries – and she’s not the object of fantasy in the same way at all.

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

Fisto and all: My intention was not to put you guys on an emotional roller coaster. This is why we kept the prank relatively short (5 hours from start to finish), but it worked a little too well. I’m not a prankster so I did not fully understand its power.

He forgot a sentence: “I am a narcissistic con artist, so I don’t know how emotions work and I don’t know how to even pretend to care about other people”.

I think he’s starting to realize that he probably shouldn’t have pranked his most loyal posters and make them feel stupid for caring about his welfare. Luckily, Roosh probably has plenty of experience gaslighting people after getting caught lying by them.

hookergal
hookergal
10 years ago

I think I’m most disturbed that they won’t apologise to loyal members. If their goal was to troll feminists etc, they failed. They actually HURT their own members. Some called people in Poland. They went to great lengths to help him. And the word “sorry” doesn’t appear once. It shows, in my mind, a more sinister & nasty side of Roosh & Tuth. If they lie & refuse to acknowledge how it’s hurt people they supposedly care about, imagine what they’d do to those they don’t.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

At this point I’m not sure that “nastier” or “more sinister” are really available options for that lot.

hookergal
hookergal
10 years ago

I guess the ones saying “oh look at how manboobz monitors us” don’t get the irony of their comments when they are monitoring MB….

Lili Fugit
Lili Fugit
10 years ago

Those dorks seriously consider this to rise to the level of prank? I mean, I’m late to the party, but still, that was sort of less a prank and more of a general lie. And they do that all the time over there, so it wasn’t much of a stretch.

hookergal
hookergal
10 years ago

Well, it appears R&T (I’m going to stick with that – if you don’t know that’s “rub & tug” in sex work slang) are sticking with “you’ll find it funny soon and we aren’t sorry so there!”

I’d say something witty, but honestly, they aren’t worth it & aside from my genuine concern to those who are truly hurt by this, it shows that R&T are truly pathetic, petulant children who shouldn’t be allowed to play with others.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I guess Rooshyboy has to have some way of showing he’s the alphaest alpha dude of all, and his options are pretty much limited to “trolling the suckers who follow him”. After all, he’s not exactly living the high life, is he? A grubby nobody in a scuzzy flat and with his blow-up doll and dirty laundry the main decorative features of his living room … none of that exactly spells “alpha”.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

I do sincerely appreciate the thoughts of concern of my Polish imprisonment.

Hahahahaha, I just BET you do, Doosh…or at least, the thought that it might quickly translate into $$$$. Which your shitty books aren’t earning, obviously.

Now of course I really will be jailed and no one will believe it because of this false jailing accusation.

Rea-hee-heely? Interesting that you would say that, having cried wolf…Is there something you’re admitting to here, other than being an asshole?

On a positive note, we managed to troll the tub of estrogen Manboobz and his readers.

HahahahahaNO. You trolled your own. And I’m sure they appreciate the money-grab, too.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

Meller was one of my favorite trolls, if only for the shear WTFuckery he induced.

I think the best DKM thread is this one:

http://manboobz.com/2011/11/04/johnny-appleseed-a-man-going-his-own-way/

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

@Katz

The mentality that feels like you triumphed over someone else by making something up and having them believe you is really odd. They trusted you and you took advantage of that and somehow that makes you better than them…?

But you get to say “psych!”, if you’re a teenager and it’s 1994.

cloudiah
10 years ago

“Free Evan!!!”

(That’s a reference to the Ami/Meller doll threads.)

kittehserf
10 years ago

cloudiah, that reddit thread just comes up as “there doesn’t seem to be anything here” – ?

Andrea Harris (@SpinsterAndCat)

These guys are really easily amused.

cloudiah
10 years ago

kittehs, that’s just because no one has commented on it yet. (But note it has 3 upvotes, meaning 3 saps believed it.) This is on Roosh’s own Reddit sub.

Also, anyone interested in the Evan saga can read about it here.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

So, people thinking that you’re a violent individual who fleeces his followers for money is a triumph, how?

I mean, that just proves that you’re a lousy human being.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I was expecting comments when I followed the link, and wasn’t sure if it’d been wiped or something.

General suggestion: if people link to PUA/MRA etc. sites, please say that’s where the link goes. I know I’m not the only one who doesn’t want to click onto their pages, ever.

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

No wonder he sort of apologizes directly to “Fisto”:

Tuthmosis, set up a paypal account. We are going to donate to a legal defense fund right now!

He needs a lawyer that can go and deliver messages to him. Chances are he has no communication with anyone outside the jail.

He needs to know we’ve got his back.

I don’t give a damn who the other party is or whether he was “wrong”.

I’ve spent time in holding cells/jail in foreign countries (as well as domestically) and it can be stressful. Your mind is racing a 1000 miles a minute and it can get dark.

If alcohol was involved then it’s worse because the depression element from a hangover will also be in play.

We need to get that guy that’s doing work for him some money to hire an attorney YESTERDAY.

I love how Fisto’s passionate reply stems from personal experience, lots and lots of personal experience involving being drunk and arrested.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I don’t give a damn who the other party is or whether he was “wrong”.

Hey, at least he’s honest, right?

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Fisto…Fisto…sounds familiar. Wasn’t he here trolling before earning the hammer? And why am I not surprised that he’s been violent and/or drunk/drugged and/or jailed for it?

Ally S
10 years ago

Wow, I’m going through Roosh’s thread and there are literally random posts with images of women’s behinds for no reason whatsoever. What a strange place.

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