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Manosphere drama: Roosh Valizadeh reportedly arrested in Poland after “violent confrontation” [UPDATE: It’s a hoax]

Roosh, apparently in custody in Poland. Photo from Roosh V Forum
Roosh, either in custody in Poland or posing in a jail cell for some publicity stunt. Photo from Roosh V Forum

UPDATE: Increasingly implausible posts from Tuthmosis, the source of all the “information” about Roosh’s alleged arrest, make it pretty clear this was a hoax.

UPDATE 2: And Roosh has officially admitted it:

Tuthmosis and I conspired to prank the internet that I was in jail. The picture used is from the German DDR museum. …

I expect many of you to be annoyed, and I hope Tuth and I didn’t betray your trust with the prank, but the security and viability of the forum was never compromised and the picture was just too good not to use. Credit goes to Tuth for his “new rules” (http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-33639-…#pid667804 ), which—if you were in on the joke—was quite amusing. I also did not expect the story to be as believed as it was, since there are many flaws in the picture that suggest it’s not a real jail cell, but on the other hand, the prospect of me going to jail is not unexpected. If you are pissed off, I recommend you read Tuth’s bulletins to see the humor in the prank (the “bill me later” option was my favorite).

I do sincerely appreciate the thoughts of concern of my Polish imprisonment. Now of course I really will be jailed and no one will believe it because of this false jailing accusation. In case of a real “involuntary absence” from the forum, I trust Tuth to continue moderation efforts. For many years he has selflessly helped me maintain the community we have and not actually gone mad with power.

On a positive note, we managed to troll the tub of estrogen Manboobz and his readers.

Interesting that the people who fell the hardest for his hoax were his own fans. Also, I’m not sure that me posting something that essentially said “here’s something that looks a bit fishy that’s being reported by someone who may well be lying” really counts as “being trolled.”

ORIGINAL POST:

Before I go into any details here I want to say that all of this is coming from Roosh’s forum and hasn’t been confirmed in any way. So treat it with however much skepticism you deem appropriate. For all I know this could be some bizarre publicity stunt to promote Roosh’s blog and his reprehensible Return of Kings website.

But according to Roosh’s pal “Tuthmosis,” who says he is getting his info from a friend of Roosh in Poland, Roosh has been arrested after some sort of violent “confrontation.” Here’s his description of what allegedly happened:

  • Roosh had a violent “confrontation” in Poland

  • He was apprehended by Polish authorities

  • He’s being (or already has been) charged with some sort of crime and being held in jail

In a followup comment he offered additional details about the alleged incident:

  • Confrontation was with Paul/Andre, his gypsy stalker

  • Didn’t start violent, but escalated quickly

  • Witnesses pointed to Roosh

  • There were “serious injuries”

  • Roosh is definitely being charged with something

In response to some skeptics who suggested this might all be a hoax, he wrote:

I too was hopeful this was some sort of joke–even if it meant me having egg on my face–but I just got a message from a second source. This is a guy who does back-end work for ROK and I’ve personally met, so I have no reason to doubt him.

Roosh is definitely being charged with a (serious) crime. The gypsy apparently took a nasty beating. What’s more, witnesses (who may be acquaintances of the gypsy) claim that Roosh was speaking epithets at him and may have used an object to strike him. I don’t know what the Polish laws are, but these circumstances apparently add to the severity of the crime. I got a couple of calls out to see what his legal prospects are, but the language barriers and time difference are making information hard to come by.

Naturally, Roosh’s fans being a bunch of racist assholes, the alleged ethnicity of Roosh’s alleged stalker led to some lovely generalizations about “gypsies” and this comment, from “Walter White,” who suggested that anti-“gypsy” bigotry might just get Roosh off the hook:

Scary stuff. I’ve travelled extensively in the region, and gypsies aren’t well thought of in Eastern Europe. Sounds terrible, but that’s the way it is. I guess an analogy for Americans would be like if a white dude got into a fight with a black guy in the 1940’s in the South. As wrong as it may be, the white guy would be given the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Roosh will get the benefit of that with regard to a fight with a gypsy. Then again, he’s not a Pole – so he’s not gonna get much “home team” advantage.

I guess we’ll see, huh?

That is, assuming this isn’t all a publicity stunt.

Odd that Roosh appears to have emerged apparently unscathed from such an allegedly violent confrontation. His hair isn’t even mussed up.

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kittehserf
10 years ago

preach morals and do something like this…

preach morals and do something like this…

preach morals and do something like this…

Paging Inigo Montoya.

Bina
10 years ago

Bitcoin is Shitcoin. And Roosh is a Doosh.

They really, truly deserve one another.

cloudiah
10 years ago

He he he:

There are times at work where I hear reams of bullshit, I cringe, I get disheartened, demotivated and reflect that I can return to my desk, log onto RVF and resume some sense of a bullshit free zone. A place where truth and masculine good will can be found.

I think those reflecting from that end of seriousness, because they’ve made some level of investment for RVF to be their bullshit free zone, this has crossed a line. Hence the ‘not coming back’ reactions. Their value of truth and honour has been breached.

You may want to examine Lee Kwan Yew’s view on senior public servants, the variance between the role, which is a ‘corporation sole’, and the person fulfilling the role, which is an interchangeable body that hot seats. A philosophical abstract between the (need to be) infallible servant, and the flawed human.

tessietura
10 years ago

have to say I was disappointed even though I thought hoax as soon as I say the title. let’s hope the next one is for real.

Bina
10 years ago

Emphasis added:

There are times at work where I hear reams of bullshit, I cringe, I get disheartened, demotivated and reflect that I can return to my desk, log onto RVF and resume some sense of a bullshit free zone. A place where truth and masculine good will can be found.

LOLwut?

Dude, you’d best stick with disheartenment and demotivation. Srsly.

neuroticbeagle
neuroticbeagle
10 years ago
hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

All that dude proved was that his work needs a better IT policy. If I saw a co-worker on RoK, I’d give them a really wide berth.

kittehserf
10 years ago

A place where truth and masculine good will can be found.

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAahahahahahha!

Their value of truth and honour has been breached.

Oh stop it, you’re killing me …

have to say I was disappointed even though I thought hoax as soon as I say the title. let’s hope the next one is for real.

With any luck, after this effort, if he does end up in jail, none of his remaining fanboys will believe him, and certainly not be stupid enough to lift a finger for him. Double win!

Bina
10 years ago

Well, frack. Blockquote Monster ate my emphases.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
10 years ago

The number of times these guys use the word “honor” (especially give what we know about their behavior) is really creeping me out.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Who cares about the Oscars? This is so much more entertaining!

kittehserf
10 years ago

Awww, kitty Montoya!

http://youtu.be/idoHtkbC7Wk

House Mouse Queen
10 years ago

OMG these dudes are acting like they’ve been accidentally abandoned in a shopping mall by mommy when they were 5 years old.

The soldier-esque World of Warcraft talk about ‘honor’ and ‘integrity’ is doing my head in.

Ally S
10 years ago

cloudiah, is it just me or is this gif they keep posting in the thread really cringe-worthy? X_X

cloudiah
10 years ago

Extremely cringe-worthy. Especially in light of the fact that so many “senior forum members” are genuinely hurt and feeling betrayed.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Don’t get me wrong — I’m not feeling sorry for those forum members. They signed up with a narcissistic rapist, and shouldn’t be surprised that he and his fellow travelers lack empathy.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

I hope I haven’t angered the furrinati overlords too much by comparing Roosh with dogs. It’s a total insult to dogs. The saying just applies so well.

kittehserf
10 years ago

It says so much about them.

Rape, gaslighting, abuse in general of women? That’s fine, admirable, just the sort of thing men should be doing.

Playing a stupid (and easily debunked) prank on the forum members? OH NOES their feelings are hurt this is the worst thing evah how could you treat them like that where is the honour among manly men nooooooooooooooooo …

kittehserf
10 years ago

I hope I haven’t angered the furrinati overlords too much by comparing Roosh with dogs. It’s a total insult to dogs. The saying just applies so well.

Dogs are pretty forgiving. You’d better watch out for the wrath of the fleas, though.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

kitteh:

This goes back to how utterly contemptible I find them; it makes me want to use phrases like “not a real man”. I know, terms like that are nonsense and worse; it’s my gut reaction when I compare them with … well, someone else. I’m left groping for ways to describe how despicable they are.

Yeah, it’s like what gillyrosebee was saying, about how the same manipulative and objectifying behaviors they advocate using on women is being used on them, and they don’t being treated that way. It’s like they are pissed off about being treated “like women” (or, more accurately, how they believe women should be treated). Their sense of entitlement and misogyny (and lack of irony) is breathtaking.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Sparky – reminds me of that definiton of homophobia as the haunting fear that a gay man will treat you the way you treat women.

On which note, I must hie me to the public transport system!

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

Being manly in the manosphere means never having to say you’re sorry.

Here’s another gem from Tuth’s ‘I’m disappointed with your reaction’ gaslighting bullet points.

If a joke isn’t funny, don’t laugh, and maybe complain, but don’t make it into a federal case. How is that different than how some women have reacted to comedians telling rape jokes?

TIL These guys wildly overreact when anyone calls them on their shit, not just women and/or “feminists”.

They also take a page out of Elem’s playbook, suggesting any reader who criticizes them is just being ungrateful and selfish, because maintaining these amazing websites/movement headquarters is endless hard work.

If we can accept a mea culpa on what was probably a bad joke, you can accept that guys are busting their hump day in and day out to make this, and keep this, a good community for all. I don’t want to go there, but weigh the good with the bad like adults. Even this joke was attempt to give you something to chuckle about.

We worked really super hard on this forum, we do this prank for your benefit and this is how you repay us? Bonus points for him saying “I don’t want to go there”, right before going there.

Bina
10 years ago

…homophobia as the haunting fear that a gay man will treat you the way you treat women.

Yup. And racism as the haunting fear that a Big Black Man will not only ask “Where the white women at?”, but actually find one, thus “depriving” a white Nice Guy™ of her forever.

katz
10 years ago

The statements about losing credibility in a single afternoon means your loyalty is easy to lose. I, for one, take people in the aggregate. Plenty of guys have irritated me, disappointment me, or outright angered me at some point, but I’ve never dismissed them–or their work–out of hand.

“Sure, he went on an ax-murdering rampage, but the next day he was totally fine!”

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

Seriously, I’m going “dudes, you chose to align yourself with a misogynistic rapist asshole, and you didn’t actually see this coming?”.

But apparently it’s totally okay to gaslight women and manipulate them. In contrast, when it turns to them, it’s “MY FEE-FEES!!!!11!”. Maybe this would be a wake-up call to make them think that women don’t appreciate this either, but I doubt it. I highly doubt it.

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