Meet Sasha. Sasha is an angry young man living in England (allegedly), with a super-HAWT girlfriend (allegedly), and a lot of opinions about feminism (not-so-allegedly). The other day, he decided to share some of these opinions with the world. Or at least with any of those feminists who happened to be reading the Men’s Rights subreddit at the time.
In a topic devoted to a conference on “lad culture” in British universities, Sasha lashed out at feminists for what he sees as their hypocritical attack on boorish, sexist “lads.” Hypocritical, you see, because these very same women allegedly have sex with posh men all the bloody time:
You don’t like ‘lad culture’? My dear, I don’t give a fuck what you do and don’t like. … The hypocrisy is staggering – you’ll be dropping your knickers in a flash if a dashing Etonian invited you to the Bullingdon, but God forbid some working class fella gets a bit tipsy and sings a rugby song.
Naturally, he dismissed women’s accounts of harassment as stuff and nonsense:
You’ve been threatened with rape by fellow students ‘to loosen you up’? have you fuck, you lying toe tag. If you’re going to make shit up try to make it less fantastical why don’t you.
So in short my dear, fuck you and fuck the high horse you rode in on.
In a series of followup comments so angry that some of them were actually downvoted to zero by the Men’s Rights crowd — I know, right! — Sasha pranced about on his own high horse spewing misogynistic nonsense. First, he demanded that feminists take on the very serious gold-digging whore problem:
[A]re women inclined to be gold-digging whores? Unfortunately, there’s a good case for saying you are. I wouldn’t paint all of you with such a broad brush, but let’s put it simply: feminists – you’ve got to own this shit. There are many, many negative aspects of femininity, and you’ve got enough shit of your own to address before you start pointing fingers at anyone else.
Then he proclaimed feminists to be the equivalent of the racist English Defense League and the Klan.
You’re a bigot. You don’t understand that you’re a bigot, because like the EDL or the KKK you think that your status as a ‘persecuted group’ gives you the right to behave as vilely as possible. However be in no doubt as the depth of my utter disgust for you as a human being and for your ideology.
Oh, we be in no doubt.
You are a supporter of an ideology of hate. You are a feminist. You are, by definition, a fascistic narcissist who trades in lies, deceit and hatred. I will fight you until my dying breath and society would be better without you. That clear enough?
When a female Redditor pointed out that she herself had been catcalled on campus, he pulled out his trump card: his EX-MODEL GIRLFRIEND.
OK, well how do you explain the fact that my partner, who is an attractive 20-something American former fashion model attending a Northern English university, says that she has never, not once, ever, heard a single catcalling insult or ever felt threatened in any way whatsoever on her campus, or anywhere in the UK?
I faxed this comment of his to my fax girlfriend Kate Winslet, and she faxed back a message about what a lying loser she thought he was. Then we fax made out for a while until we ran out of toner.
Anyway, then Sasha yelled at his main critic for a bit:
You’re not a decent human being, you’re a feminist. You’re as vile and reprehensible as other bigots like the cunts in the Westborough Baptist Church, or Golden Dawn or the EDL or the KKK. Fuck you, fuck the family that raised you in such a cloud of ignorance and hatred, and fuck everything you stand for.
As for ‘helping men’, disparaging bigoted cunts like you is a key part of it.
Yes, that’s right. He called someone a “bigoted cunt,” without the slightest bit of self-awareness.
Then he took it a bit too far:
By the way, do you like cats? I know most feminists do. I like cats too. I’ll bet your cat thinks you’re a bigoted cunt as well.
Dude. Don’t EVEN go there.
NOTE: Thanks to Cloudiah and the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to Sasha’s oeuvre.
Go do your own searching, you disingenuous piece of shit. You can find that information on this very site and if you think I’m going to that cesspool for you, think again.
You claim to read AVfM but not to know that Elam’s a rape advocate.
Fuck off.
Still would like a link proving your claim. It wouldn’t surprise me, but I prefer to read things myself.
Here’s how we feminists operate, by making men our puppets:
Found this link here:
http://manboobz.com/2013/10/18/paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-in-his-own-words/
Truly vile, I agree.
Of course I have already said as much before, wasn’t aware of these specific quotes, now I can add them to the list of misogyny on that site.
And course that doesn’t change the fact that pages and pages were spent on defending a charge against them that isn’t any more true than against any other primarily net based movement, untruths aren’t made any better because the target is scummy.
A MRA told me that Elam was outsed from writing for The Spearhead due to being a butter. I doubted that claim turn and doubt it now– I think egos clashed, but does anyone know more on that schism?
Seeing that our newly installed thread-hogging bore returned to shift the goalposts once more, as well as dismally failing to apologise for any offence she has continued to give (while adding ableism on top of cissexism, on top of yet more appalling spelling and grammar), I admit was tempted to compile a new compendium of her abuses of the English language.
Instead, I decided to follow the link in her pseudonym (not actually so pseudonymous), and via one of the forums she presumably claims to have “been involved in moderating […] for years”, and from there found links to her websites, which like her comments here, demonstrate far from perfect models of English usage. (If anyone wants to try the reverse trick, and trawl my website for errors… go right ahead. There’s 200,000 words on my blog, so plenty of scope there for finding mistakes, simply because of the volume.)
So her supposed preference for ‘striving for perfection’ is evidently something she insists on ‘only for thee, not for me’, and when that standard is applied here it’s to prioritise pedantically criticising feminism on completely inconsequential nitpicking, over actually expending effort on the actual problem, which is the rampant misogyny of the MRM. Forgive us then for not sharing your priorities, which are frankly, bizarrely warped out of kilter.
DDW, tone trolling busy-bodies who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
Nutter not butter.
@xanthe I made it clear that obviously errors are to be expected on quick blog comments and posts multiple times. Here. At MRA reddits. Everywhere.
@Xanthë: I wonder if she emails people like Weird Al Yankovich to complain that their parodies are completely unrelated to the content of the original songs.
Given how appalling her grammar is I can see why she thinks that’s the default unless people are trying really hard. Luckily she’s wrong about that.
DDW: just stop with the fucking slurs, OK?
Shorter DDW: can I get a link? Can you tell me more? Can do you everyting for me? Then slur slur slur.
@hellkell: but she’s making a list, she’s checking it twice…
Gonna find out whose grammar’s not nice?
/wipes tea off monitor
David has blogged about the schism, if I recall correctly. I don’t remember if it involved Elam’s expulsion by WTF Price. The search feature is right there in the full website’s right margin, and there are also categories for finding posts on ‘paul elam’, and ‘the spearhead’. Knock yourself out.
Weird Al has a message
*hand Kiwi girl a paper towel*
Thank you, do you happen to recall any keywords beside Elam that would help in a search? I will search for Elam and “Price” to see if that brings it up.
DDW: the keywords you’re looking for are “fuck” and “off.”
Elam and Price pulled up a bunch on their dispute over the 20/20 interview –
No 1 curr.
It would appear that DDW has not gotten over their past as a junior reporter on a school newspaper.
One would think my troll poster was the single most important thing in the universe from how much time DDW has spent blathering on about it and related subjects.
I apologize to the rest of you for summoning this incredibly boring troll. I hope you will one day forgive me.
Cloudiah, on the day when feminism falls into complete irrevocable destruction as a result of this affliction, I will surely remember, and weep bitter tears: “I was there on Manboobz, the day that cloudiah changed Sasha’s grammatically correct ‘you’re’ into ‘your’.”
O woe unto us, that truly have seen the beginning of the end!
The problem isn’t that you summoned a boring troll. The problem is U ROONED FEMINIZM!!!………..