Meet Sasha. Sasha is an angry young man living in England (allegedly), with a super-HAWT girlfriend (allegedly), and a lot of opinions about feminism (not-so-allegedly). The other day, he decided to share some of these opinions with the world. Or at least with any of those feminists who happened to be reading the Men’s Rights subreddit at the time.
In a topic devoted to a conference on “lad culture” in British universities, Sasha lashed out at feminists for what he sees as their hypocritical attack on boorish, sexist “lads.” Hypocritical, you see, because these very same women allegedly have sex with posh men all the bloody time:
You don’t like ‘lad culture’? My dear, I don’t give a fuck what you do and don’t like. … The hypocrisy is staggering – you’ll be dropping your knickers in a flash if a dashing Etonian invited you to the Bullingdon, but God forbid some working class fella gets a bit tipsy and sings a rugby song.
Naturally, he dismissed women’s accounts of harassment as stuff and nonsense:
You’ve been threatened with rape by fellow students ‘to loosen you up’? have you fuck, you lying toe tag. If you’re going to make shit up try to make it less fantastical why don’t you.
So in short my dear, fuck you and fuck the high horse you rode in on.
In a series of followup comments so angry that some of them were actually downvoted to zero by the Men’s Rights crowd — I know, right! — Sasha pranced about on his own high horse spewing misogynistic nonsense. First, he demanded that feminists take on the very serious gold-digging whore problem:
[A]re women inclined to be gold-digging whores? Unfortunately, there’s a good case for saying you are. I wouldn’t paint all of you with such a broad brush, but let’s put it simply: feminists – you’ve got to own this shit. There are many, many negative aspects of femininity, and you’ve got enough shit of your own to address before you start pointing fingers at anyone else.
Then he proclaimed feminists to be the equivalent of the racist English Defense League and the Klan.
You’re a bigot. You don’t understand that you’re a bigot, because like the EDL or the KKK you think that your status as a ‘persecuted group’ gives you the right to behave as vilely as possible. However be in no doubt as the depth of my utter disgust for you as a human being and for your ideology.
Oh, we be in no doubt.
You are a supporter of an ideology of hate. You are a feminist. You are, by definition, a fascistic narcissist who trades in lies, deceit and hatred. I will fight you until my dying breath and society would be better without you. That clear enough?
When a female Redditor pointed out that she herself had been catcalled on campus, he pulled out his trump card: his EX-MODEL GIRLFRIEND.
OK, well how do you explain the fact that my partner, who is an attractive 20-something American former fashion model attending a Northern English university, says that she has never, not once, ever, heard a single catcalling insult or ever felt threatened in any way whatsoever on her campus, or anywhere in the UK?
I faxed this comment of his to my fax girlfriend Kate Winslet, and she faxed back a message about what a lying loser she thought he was. Then we fax made out for a while until we ran out of toner.
Anyway, then Sasha yelled at his main critic for a bit:
You’re not a decent human being, you’re a feminist. You’re as vile and reprehensible as other bigots like the cunts in the Westborough Baptist Church, or Golden Dawn or the EDL or the KKK. Fuck you, fuck the family that raised you in such a cloud of ignorance and hatred, and fuck everything you stand for.
As for ‘helping men’, disparaging bigoted cunts like you is a key part of it.
Yes, that’s right. He called someone a “bigoted cunt,” without the slightest bit of self-awareness.
Then he took it a bit too far:
By the way, do you like cats? I know most feminists do. I like cats too. I’ll bet your cat thinks you’re a bigoted cunt as well.
Dude. Don’t EVEN go there.
NOTE: Thanks to Cloudiah and the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to Sasha’s oeuvre.
And 5 posts in a row? When did this become the DDW show?
Another person who’s all, “Feminism, you’re doing it wrong,” that’s not tiresome at all.
DDW: if you want to see something written about, get your own blog.
Kim: those five posts are just because DDW doesn’t care. At all.
Observe! Below are all the fucks I give about whether or not someone who isn’t a feminist thinks cloudiah is doing feminism correctly.
(PS – Still think this is the single most pointless and trivial attempt at tone trolling in the history of Manboobz. Let’s hope it doesn’t start the world’s most boring trend.)
If DDW isn’t a feminist, I fail to see why she cares how we do feminism.
Watches all the teal deer cantering across the comments.
Ok, I can’t resist:
We can see through you, you know. You never said anything negative about the British OP. You came onto a blog that mocks misogyny, looked at a post on a raging anti-feminist and your reaction? Who cares about the raging anti-feminist, let’s attack a joke made by a feminist. what does that say about your priorities?
One of these is a lie since the poster was in the post. Which one is it?
Technically, it’s both grammar and spelling. If you’re going to come on here and pose as the great grammarian, you should at least get these things right.
Just liek you do in your comments, repeatedly.
And because YOU don’t see it, we’re supposed to conclude it doesn’t happen. And yet you don’t see all your own errors either. Or that you are waving your ass in the wind. If only we didn’t have to see that.
Remember when Jon Stewart was on Crossfire & Tucker Carlson whined “but you don’t as hard questions, either”.
“I’m on Comedy Central. The show before mine is sock-puppets making crank phone calls. It’s not my job, it’s yours.”
Tone troll obviously needs to look up the definition of “mock”.
DDW, why are you still here arguing about this? What is the point?
This I am interested in. What exactly do MRAs say that isn’t wrong? Even though this site has a light, mocking tone the nifty thing about is it that it actually does expose the lie that the MRM has some noble goals at its and just unfortunately attract misogynists to its fringes.
Even the supposedly rational MRAs have outright said that they have no plans to help men who need it. If they actually cared about men, the movement would be funding men’s shelters for abuse victims or setting up a hotline to help male victims of rape and incest. Their posters wouldn’t be about how awful women are, they would be encouraging men considering suicide to seek. If they cared about men they wouldn’t denigrate men who are disabled, men who aren’t cis hetero and men who just don’t sufficiently loathe women.
If you didn’t already lack credibility after your previous rantings, that statement really put the nail in the coffin.
Finally managed to go back and read through that saga. Shorter DDW? “You people are so mean with your in-jokes and your preferred way of doing things; it’s not only not fair that you don’t do things to my standards for publishing to the WHOLE WORLD (even though I’m just here for a drive-by), it’s bad and it’s wrong and you are all a bunch of meanie chili beanies! You’re totes letting down the cause and bringing about the downfall of feminism! You’re JUST LIKE MRAS!!! .. …. .. Meanwhile, plz to focus on this SERIOUS BIG ISSUE that I want you to talk about. I’ll be happy to tell you what you should say about it!”
All this over a piece of satire that took the super-self important comment pronouncements of an MRA troll (which are so frequently full of ignorant assfax and, shall we say, grammatically imperfect verbiage) and made a poster out of it?
I think I’ve still got all the puntasticity from yesterday in my head, because all I could think while I was reading through that was “Wow, that’s quite the nasty ad homonym attack!”
Meanwhile, this
Whoops. Consider that my amuse bouche for the blockquote monster today.
@titanblue
“We can see through you, you know. You never said anything negative about the British OP.”
False. I could do as you did and claimed you lied. Of course, it is more likely that you just didn’t see what I said. Here you go:
“Not in support of the original guy AT ALL,”
“I care that when misogynists are being refuted…”[in context, the misogynist is the guy in the OP, he is definitely a misogynist]
“the guy may be an asshat, but he knows the difference between “your” and “you’re.” [specially calling the guy in the OP an asshat]
“quite a few MRA rants” [hint: in context, I was calling the guy in the OP one of the ‘rants’ I have read, second hint: rant is not a positive word]
“The attitude of that guy most certainly is appalling,” [referring specifically to the guy in the OP]
So it appears you are incorrect on that point. Not that I think you will concede that point.
@titanblue
“One of these is a lie since the poster was in the post. Which one is it?”
Of course, it can’t just be that I didn’t see it. I went back to the nth time to find what you were talking about. I found it in the one with a ton of text. I didn’t notice it before. Grammar or spellings errors are simply not the major problems with those posters.
@helikell
“If DDW isn’t a feminist, I fail to see why she cares how we do feminism.”
Because I care about misogyny and am not an ideologue who can only have common cause with those I am in complete agreement with.
@wierwoodtreehuger
“This I am interested in. What exactly do MRAs say that isn’t wrong? Even though this site has a light, mocking tone the nifty thing about is it that it actually does expose the lie that the MRM has some noble goals at its and just unfortunately attract misogynists to its fringes.”
Since I already said I am not going to go off on that rabbit trail have fun, but actually it seems you have no disagreement. I couldn’t have written this better myself: ” it actually does expose the lie that the MRM has some noble goals at its and just unfortunately attract misogynists to its fringes”
“Even the supposedly rational MRAs have outright said that they have no plans to help men who need it.”
I haven’t seen that, but if that is an accurate quote, that would be hideously wrong. Do you have a link? I would love to see it.
” If they actually cared about men, the movement would be funding men’s shelters for abuse victims or setting up a hotline to help male victims of rape and incest. Their posters wouldn’t be about how awful women are, they would be encouraging men considering suicide to seek. If they cared about men they wouldn’t denigrate men who are disabled, men who aren’t cis hetero and men who just don’t sufficiently loathe women.”
First, because everyone here is convinced to find a demon in everything I say, I am not in support of the posters that simply go on about how awful women are. However, your argument seems to be if they have posters on one thing, they shouldn’t, it should just be about that one issue. It isn’t an either/or situation. But if they are purposefully ignoring those other important issues, that is wrong.
Waiting with bated breath to find out what evil and nefarious intent will be read into these answers. Combined these all into one since responding separately this morning was something to go on about.
Do you ever get tired from all that bobbing and weaving?
You’re a boring scold. Piss off.
My irony meter exploded, and I believe that whoosh sound was the point sailing a thousand feet over your head.
Pell style meltdown in 5, 4, 3…..
One example was proffered. I think you may have misread a word that is ambiguous, it appears you took poster=commenter. I meant poster as in those graphic images to de displayed.
And let’s pretend I meant commenter, all quick internet comment threads are rife with them. There isn’t anything remarkable about that. Do you find the main authors at sites have that issue? I don’t. It is like here, the Amin piece bt David is proofread with few to o erros and the comments are full of them. I suspect you wouldn’t want the quality of feminist writing to be judged by the commenters but the leaders and authors.
And yes mine to. I am on a onscreen keyboard, as may be many of the MRA commenters or any on any other subject.
Wow. Bad time to visit this thread.
I’m not entirely certain DDW’s first language is English.
@DDW I concede that that you made a few weak-sauce “the guy may be an asshat” comments. If read in the correct light, with a favourable squint and an attempt at giving you the benefit of the doubt, you said a couple of things that could be construed as being negative about Sasha. Always followed by a “but”, of course, because you admire his grammar so much.
Dear gods, though, could you just once post a wall of text and get the grammar right!
The only activism MRAs do is contribute money to Paul Elam so he doesn’t have to get a day job.
http://manboobz.com/2013/12/28/men-rights-activist-dont-expect-activism-from-us-because-someone-has-to-keep-this-society-running-and-it-damn-sure-aint-going-to-be-the-ladies/?relatedposts_exclude=1229
And yet here you are with an assload of judgment for us. Who died and left you in charge?
Or maybe grammar and spelling errors are major problems with MRA posters and you didn’t see it. but, hey, why let your obvious blind spot for spelling and grammar get in the way.
All I have to say is on this matter is
SRSLY?
@titanblue one example was proffered. I went through the links as well and it certainly was the glaring obvious problem that it has been out to be.
And I do not think this is the case, but by the logic here, how does anyone know that any errors are not parody and satire unfairly painting commenters as indicative of the language skills? Ganders, geese, sauce and all that. Now I don’t believe that but neither has it been shown that the typical MRA poster has spelling and grammar errors but rather has awful content and stupid pictures that are often non sequiturs.