Meet Sasha. Sasha is an angry young man living in England (allegedly), with a super-HAWT girlfriend (allegedly), and a lot of opinions about feminism (not-so-allegedly). The other day, he decided to share some of these opinions with the world. Or at least with any of those feminists who happened to be reading the Men’s Rights subreddit at the time.
In a topic devoted to a conference on “lad culture” in British universities, Sasha lashed out at feminists for what he sees as their hypocritical attack on boorish, sexist “lads.” Hypocritical, you see, because these very same women allegedly have sex with posh men all the bloody time:
You don’t like ‘lad culture’? My dear, I don’t give a fuck what you do and don’t like. … The hypocrisy is staggering – you’ll be dropping your knickers in a flash if a dashing Etonian invited you to the Bullingdon, but God forbid some working class fella gets a bit tipsy and sings a rugby song.
Naturally, he dismissed women’s accounts of harassment as stuff and nonsense:
You’ve been threatened with rape by fellow students ‘to loosen you up’? have you fuck, you lying toe tag. If you’re going to make shit up try to make it less fantastical why don’t you.
So in short my dear, fuck you and fuck the high horse you rode in on.
In a series of followup comments so angry that some of them were actually downvoted to zero by the Men’s Rights crowd — I know, right! — Sasha pranced about on his own high horse spewing misogynistic nonsense. First, he demanded that feminists take on the very serious gold-digging whore problem:
[A]re women inclined to be gold-digging whores? Unfortunately, there’s a good case for saying you are. I wouldn’t paint all of you with such a broad brush, but let’s put it simply: feminists – you’ve got to own this shit. There are many, many negative aspects of femininity, and you’ve got enough shit of your own to address before you start pointing fingers at anyone else.
Then he proclaimed feminists to be the equivalent of the racist English Defense League and the Klan.
You’re a bigot. You don’t understand that you’re a bigot, because like the EDL or the KKK you think that your status as a ‘persecuted group’ gives you the right to behave as vilely as possible. However be in no doubt as the depth of my utter disgust for you as a human being and for your ideology.
Oh, we be in no doubt.
You are a supporter of an ideology of hate. You are a feminist. You are, by definition, a fascistic narcissist who trades in lies, deceit and hatred. I will fight you until my dying breath and society would be better without you. That clear enough?
When a female Redditor pointed out that she herself had been catcalled on campus, he pulled out his trump card: his EX-MODEL GIRLFRIEND.
OK, well how do you explain the fact that my partner, who is an attractive 20-something American former fashion model attending a Northern English university, says that she has never, not once, ever, heard a single catcalling insult or ever felt threatened in any way whatsoever on her campus, or anywhere in the UK?
I faxed this comment of his to my fax girlfriend Kate Winslet, and she faxed back a message about what a lying loser she thought he was. Then we fax made out for a while until we ran out of toner.
Anyway, then Sasha yelled at his main critic for a bit:
You’re not a decent human being, you’re a feminist. You’re as vile and reprehensible as other bigots like the cunts in the Westborough Baptist Church, or Golden Dawn or the EDL or the KKK. Fuck you, fuck the family that raised you in such a cloud of ignorance and hatred, and fuck everything you stand for.
As for ‘helping men’, disparaging bigoted cunts like you is a key part of it.
Yes, that’s right. He called someone a “bigoted cunt,” without the slightest bit of self-awareness.
Then he took it a bit too far:
By the way, do you like cats? I know most feminists do. I like cats too. I’ll bet your cat thinks you’re a bigoted cunt as well.
Dude. Don’t EVEN go there.
NOTE: Thanks to Cloudiah and the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to Sasha’s oeuvre.
Oopsy on me, it appears that that wasn’t how the original quid was worded and the bad grammar was intentionally introduced.
DDW: Did you happen to miss the tagline of the blog? The one that says, “Misogyny, I mock it?”
@sparky not according to this article they aren’t. Care to apologize….. nope? Didn’t think so. David quoted the guy in this article. He did say “your a bigot” he said “you’re a bigot.”
I find the idea that we’re sinking to the level of the MRM kind of funny. Is that even possible?
Only if one uses a submarine, even then it’s dicey given how strong the pressure will be.
“Oopsy on me, it appears that that wasn’t how the original quid was worded and the bad grammar was intentionally introduced.”
Was that an apology? You were quite aggressive in your condemnation.
“DDW: Did you happen to miss the tagline of the blog? The one that says, “Misogyny, I mock it?””
No I didn’t. I have followed this blog a while and speak frequently of it mocking misogyny on my discussion forum. None of that follows for these…. not going to repeat what I already posted above, how is this is satire, it is not only bad satire, but not entirely appropriate… the guy may be an asshat, but he knows the difference between “your” and “you’re.”
RE: DDW
Re LBT: First thought, whatever. You obviously want to fight.
I… what? Dude, I’m too CONFUSED to fight. I’m just offering cute animals because that’s the standard around here.
Anyways… not interested in a battleground. Have fun. Back to reading.
But… you’re the one who keeps coming back… I AM SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW.
@Kiwi, interesting. I have been involved in moderating and owning discussion forums/blogs etc for years. It is quite unusual to be called a troll simply because I criticized something and then stayed to interact substantively with the comments. No, do not worry about a “new troll.” I seriously doubt after this interaction I will ever post here again.
That doesn’t stop or colour me though on supporting the site. Good work David.
DDW: Why yes, I did admit I made a mistake on that. That’s what the words “Oopsy on me” meant.
And if you’re wondering why you’re getting some pushback, it’s because you came in sling insults:
And you appear to think that an intentional satire is “being careless.”
So yeah, you can climb down off your high horse now.
Bad unobvious satire is careless. Already explained above- do not care to repeat it. As a friend of mine once said, you know you are dealing with an ideologue when the person would rather commit ritual suicide rather than admitting that someone else just may have a point.
@DDW Not interesting at all. Coming in boots and all:
“Your nasty presumption of my intentions is uncalled for.”
“Well, then colour me as stating it is really bad satire when it has to be explained.”
“Anyways, defend the cause at all costs it appears. Do you really want that mindset? That is precisely what many of the MRAs do.”
So LOL at this comment of yours, because it is so obviously false:
” First thought, whatever. You obviously want to fight. I obviously don’t.”
This is officially the silliest example of nitpicking I’ve ever seen on this blog.
DDW, the fact that it is satire didn’t have to be explained to anybody but you. MRA rants frequently mix up your and you’re.
The reason that people are responding negatively to you is that you are rude. I’m fairly new here and people were very welcoming. If you had been more friendly, people would have been welcoming to you too. It has nothing to do with this being a cliquey in-group that hates interlopers.
DDW: But you don’t have a point. And you keep coming back to argue. How’s that keeping to high road?
I have read quite a few MRA rants and do not find they mix that up more than any other online group. It would have helped if the person in question was actually guilty of that… but he wasn’t. I am looking at the poster as an outsider would, and it isn’t obvious, but makes a common error that is often not caught (and excused) in a quick post, but shows ignorance or careless in a graphic. Don’t care to explain it again.
@sparky, I am responding to what people said. Generally acknowledging people and responding to what they said is usually the right thing to do until there is nothing further to add. Probably at that point now.
@weirwood, I bet you if I posted that graphic at any other place where people were aware of MRAs and read them occasionally would think the same thing as me.
Again, if the only audience is the choir, then fine. If not, well, it isn’t obvious.
You’ve got to be kidding. Their writing is as appalling as their attitudes. Gods, these morons are the ones who think Fidelbogen’s a master of style.
And ignoring the context of where the poster has been published.
I didn’t realise this was an English grammar site.
Oh, that’s right, it’s not.
Gosh, cloudiah, why don’t you make the effort to make the things you post on your blog that basically exists to joke about stuff that happens here more universally accessible?
@kittehserf, online little quick snippets tend to have a few errors, I don’t find them worse than any other group, and I have a lot of experience with online discussions. It is par for the course. For instance, would you think it appropriate if I were to decide to mock this site and used your unintentional error of “their” instead of “they’re” are something to pick up on? Seriously? The attitude of that guy most certainly is appalling, but actually he didn’t write poorly. Better than me a lot of time for a quick online post.
How long until DDW flounces? I’m sensing a flounce coming.
RE: cassandrakitty
This is officially the silliest example of nitpicking I’ve ever seen on this blog.
Foolish fool! Have you forgotten the troll with the monster boner for intellectual dishonesty we got a while back? THAT was the silliest example of nitpicking I’d ever seen on this blog.
That said, I am kinda astounded how passionate this person is over this. I mean, cloudiah presumably made it just to entertain us, just like I sometimes MST things just to amuse my buddies. Why is that so bizarre?
@kiwi the context isn’t obvious, I have read this site for a while. And before I posted, I searched online to try to find where it was originally posted to see if I could learn more about the creator. I actually spent some time trying to get a fair picture. There is no link credit given above that is easily found to where it was originally posted. I couldn’t find the comment at the AgainstMRA reedit, and the other mention was to Artistry in Feminism, and I didn’t see it there.
Way way way past that point. It has receded so far in the distance it is invisible.
Maybe it wasn’t a point, maybe it was a degenerate triangle.