Today in Straw Feminism: Why they chuckle at male suicide figures — explained!

LBT — I really hope you succeed in talking him into therapy, sucks that you can’t do more for him.

OT — y’all know rapists can sue for custody if their victim gets pregnant? I’m just gonna leave this petition here — http://act.weareultraviolet.org/go/1623?t=2&akid=829.552343.zodgpk

(I’d drop it on the open thread but yiny screen is tiny)

A-leprechaunist:

I’m gonna break down the reasons why the post at your link isn’t so much a smoking gun as it is a prime example of Total Failure Syndrome:

1: The poster was immediately denounced by the other posters, AND by the moderator of the forum (it’s worth noting that moderators, absent contrary evidence, are the best cases to judge the overall sentiment of a given online community).

2: The poster himself apologized and withdrew the offensive phrasing and sentiment within the same day of the post being made.

3: Just a side-note: The poster is, in fact, a cis straight white male (something he notes in the retraction-post), like myself. Thus, using that statement as a means to lambaste women feminists already is a mis-categorization.

Simple fact is, privileged allies in SJ movements (particularly those of us heavily privileged along multiple axes) are often prone to hoof-in-mouth syndrome, because while we are acting out of empathy and good intent, we are not so much acting out of lived experience. It’s a matter of mental reflexes.

Check out this post from an MRA troll I encountered at Jezebel.

Because they’re all in competition for a very limited good: a real man. Which is about 1/100 creatures with dicks. Your calling them ‘guys’ doesn’t help, not to mention it’s intentionally demeaning.

I asked him to define real man and pointed out that some trans men do not have dicks so that isn’t a valid criteria for defining what a man is. Here was his response:

I was referring to a subset of men (granted, 99%). Guys is the default, now, on the left, and in the mainstream, for 100%. Where men used to be used, now they use ‘guys.’ It is very common to see women and guys paired. Why not girls and guys? Because they intend to insult men and elevate women verbally/rhetorically, for political reasons. I object to it, and I call them out on it, like they care. But I know what they’re doing. Male wasn’t insulting enough, so they cast around and found guy. Also, the tiny subsets you’re talking about are freaks, a word with an honorable and useful tradition. If I were, say, born a hermaphrodite, I would accept I was a freak, and proceed about life taking no shit and not worrying about things. But not demanding everyone else accept me as normal and build a new toilet to accommodate me.

The denial that women are frequently called derogatory names and more often than men is pretty par for the course MRA stuff. The virulent transphobia is also expected because we know they don’t give a crap about human rights for men who are not cis. Where this guy goes above and beyond is when he claims that if he were a hermaphrodite, his life would be exactly the same and being viewed as in his words “a freak” would not effect him at all. Yeah right!
It’s also pretty amazing that he finds “guy” derogatory but referred to men as a “good” and “creatures.” Isn’t the latter far more dehumanizing?

Manboobzers, please help break me of my habit of posting on Gawker Media sites. In addition to the MRA I have also argued with two racists, two libertarians and one ostensibly liberal feminist who will not acknowledge that Christianity is privileged in the western world and that liberal/moderate Christians should realize that and not sweep the historical and current oppression that is done in the name of Christianity under the rug.

Why do I do this to myself?

I think it’s more like they think every woman that wishes them death is because she’s a feminist.

I guess that’s the only way they never have to deal with wondering whether they *ever* did something wrong to a woman.

Ironic, isn’t it. They advocate every sort of abuse under the sun, including genocide, then get all outraged that some women may just wish them dead.

Oh yes, what a “chuckle” I got that morning I was awoken by a phone call that a friend (a guy friend) had committed suicide & been found by his housemate. No wait, that wasn’t a “chuckle”, that was excruciating and the service was filled with sorrow from all who knew him.

Machalismos can fuck himself with a splintery flagpole. Even if what he’s speculating is an imaginary supposition, it still makes me sick.

This is a misandrist website.

Pointing out facts is misandry.
Mocking hatred of women is misandry.
This site is misandry.

Is there anything that isn’t misandry?

(commenting here because i don’t want to take focus away from lana in the open thread)

So the LGBT-friendly aunt I emailed is still LGBT-friendly and she accepts me. I just got an email back from her. This means so much to me.

Every time I see a hit-and-run troll here, I’m reminded that manboobz is a big scary site to them, and I smile.

Ally S. I’m glad you have people in your family that accepts you as you are.

Auggz — no luck in the actual thread, but I found where that imagine came from and “1 day ago” was at least a year ago. Sorry, searching reddit is not my strong suit.

Cloudiah — well, the Borg could do with new posts…

Sparky, the only thing that isn’t misandry is misogyny.

Ally s, glad to hear it!