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A dude named Sizzletron shares his “honest opinions that are entirely merit-based, about women.” (Spoiler alert: They actually aren’t.)

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This picture has nothing whatsoever to to with the post. I just like it.

It’s Friday. Why not welcome in the upcoming weekend with a picture of an anarchist cat and a completely unrelated,  completely unhinged manifesto from the MensRants subreddit, the Men’s Rights subreddit’s unruly younger brother.

In a post with the somewhat roundabout title “Just posting this publicly gives me an ulcer. But I won’t let it stop me,” an angry fella who calls himself sizzletron set forth his opinions about, well, a lot of things having to do with women. It’s a piece that’s pretty much impossible to summarize, since sizzletron apparently finds it difficult to keep the thread of an argument going from one sentence to the next.

Let’s dig in:

I think most women are very unfamiliar with being challenged to be better adults. I also think I have a lot of honest opinions that are entirely merit-based, about women.

We’re off to a good start with two sentences that have no logical connection to one another aside from the fact that their author is really, really mad at women.

I think that collectively most women, in the West especially, don’t have an understanding of ANY motivation that doesn’t support women blindly.

Uh, what? Motivation? I’m beginning to get the impression that sizzletron chooses a lot of his words by flipping through books and pointing at random selections.

For example, chivalry should dead and gone by now. I know it. Most guys who aren’t trying to get laid dishonestly know it. So why do women persist with claiming some sort of implicit right to it? Because it obviously benefits them to have men do shit for them, protect them (often from themselves, which would be hilarious were the net result so often fatal, or judicial, again for men), provide for them, admire them, pedestalize them. Feminism isn’t helping women. It’s putting baby in a very stupid, very un-respectable corner.

What does this even mean? How is chivalry the same as “putting baby in the corner.” Also, since when are feminists the ones promoting chivalry/

But sizzletron quickly moves on to a new topic: women’s intelligence.

Women are getting stupider by the day. Not hyperbole. Intelligence isn’t getting book smart. Intelligence is problem solving on your own without the agency of a mob apparatus.

What? What agency? What mob? What apparatus? WHAT IS GOING ON?

Ask me how much I actually respect the advances, societally, of a mob of hairshirts-for-men feminists? Not even a bit.

Wait, feminists are making men wear hairshirts? Even as a weird metaphorical accusation that makes no sense. People in certain religious traditions wore hairshirts as a way to show repentance; they didn’t force other people to wear them.

Now how many of those same organizations and feminists are alluded to lamely in a debate-by-the-numbers exercise that regularly passes for a discourse on gender relations?

Ok, I give up. I have no idea what the hell he’s even trying to say here.

You know what I do everyday?

Smoke weed? Read the “Ziggy” cartoon in the newspaper? Have a bowel movement?

I read the fashion mags my GF’s sister bequeaths us. My respect for women has absolutely PLUMMETED since I started doing so. Vacuous, vagina-centric, vapid, vicarious, venereal-in-waiting. All the ‘V’ words.

Uh, vicarious? “Venereal-in-waiting?” If you were going for something that was even vaguely coherent, you probably should have stopped with “vapid.”

But Mike, what about the good women, they aren’t all self-interested limelight addicts expecting money for nothing and sex for free. No, you’re very correct about that.

Ooh, a Dire Straits reference. It doesn’t actually make much sense, but way to show you’re up to the minute with what the cool kids are listening to these days.

But they aren’t calling out the chickenshit manipulations of the modern feminist message, either: You can be a strong respectable female AND a major victim when it bloody well suits you to do so. You can identify with abused women even if you’ve never been abused.

Yeah, I think that’s called “empathy.”

Blindly protect women without ever asking how much of the modern women’s plight is due to or contributed to by stupid women. Let’s start IQ testing all the victims of abuse and see what the median average is.

You’re going to blame the victims of domestic violence because you think they’re “stupid?” Really?

Really. Let’s do it! We’ll never know if I’m right until we do.

You’re an even bigger asshole than I thought. And I already thought you were a huge asshole.

Let’s start statistically plotting women’s propensity for violence, for ignorance, for mindless sorority.

Yeah, I’d love to see THAT chart.

Let’s start calling women out for being shallow appearance-concerned adults with a blind eye to the very pretense of such. No one really cares about your fucking furniture, or your sense of style.

Wait. Now you’re mad at women for having nice furniture?

No one of ANY value gives a shit about that stuff. Blowhards do. Frauds do. People who can’t DO, do.

Backing away now.

It is high time women grew the fucking pair they keep insisting they have, or STFU about it already. You’re starting to look like fools. I can’t ignore it any longer.

STFU about what? What is “it?”

And to all the white knights out there, stow it. <===This last line is for the benefit of my FB ‘friends’.

What a treat it must be to have Mike/Sizzletron here in your Facebook feed.

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JM
JM
6 years ago

I’m loving the idea of feminists resolving problems with the use of a mob apparatus. And begin:

“Hello Mr Boss Man. I am Fredo, and this is my good friend Lenny. A little birdied told us that she’s been overlooked for promotion repeatedly, is paid less than her male counterparts, and is subject to repeated derogatory comments about her looks and sexuality. And that sort of stuff makes me happy, but it makes Lenny here even angrier. And when he gets angry, stuff just catches on fire, capiche?”

And I just realised that if I make a throwaway account on reddit and post this story to an MRA subreddit, suddenly the legen of the feminist mafia will outlive me.

katz
6 years ago

JM: Is there any possible way Pierre can be worked into that scenario?

JM
JM
6 years ago

I’m sure there is, It’s a pretty open scenario.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Nobody cares about your fucking furniture

Tell that to Tom “whore penguins” Martin & his boney buttocks!

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

And paying a little extra for a totally unnecessary to support life cupcake (or in NZ, I think a university here did it using cups of coffee) is *exactly the same* as being paid your entire life at a lower rate because of your gender, because you choose to be female.

/nods

oraclenine
6 years ago

Somebody wanna tell Mr Fizzletron there really is actual Fucking Furniture? I’d imagine the people who make it and the people who own it (and their guests) do care about their fucking furniture.

(The things you hear hanging out at biker bars, man, I tell you what. Though the guy who was talking about it was mainly baffled why you’d waste perfectly good motorcycle money on fucking furniture. “Besides, who wants to go hang out at someone’s house and he’s got, you know, these weird couch cushions and then you realize aww, man, I know what this shit is.” And the bartender replied “Tell me they have washable slip covers.” )

kittehserf
6 years ago

I like that bartender’s reply. 😀

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

Girl Scouts should charge an extra $10.00 cookie tariff to angry misogynists who can’t math or statistic.

It’s weirdly fascinating how these rants always take the form of “I believe women are atrocious, and reality backs me up because [assfax] [junk science] [bad logic] [discredited study] [wall o’ pretentious words]”. You never hear an MRA say “I hate women, and I know it’s irrational and the rest of the world doesn’t share my views, but that’s just how I feel”. It’s almost like they know on some level that it’s bad to be a bigot (plus, opinions based on gut feelings are for girls). Science *must* back up their personal preferences at all times!

AbsintheDexterous
6 years ago

Science *must* back up their personal preferences at all times!

I find it fascinating as well. It’s like they don’t know that a person can just have a preference without it being scientifically justified. I like Oreos, but I don’t think that that’s inherently a women thing. I also like tall, skinny geek guys, and again, that’s just me. Maybe some people share my preferences, but I don’t think it’s an innate characteristic. If some dude likes thin women, well, more power to him, I just won’t ever be his romantic partner. I don’t get offended when a guy isn’t attracted to me because I’m not entitled to have people be attracted to me and why don’t they know this basic fact of life? At some point, they choose to be ignorant.

But I also think it has a lot to do with society in general, with garden variety, low-level sexism. Boys do X, Girls do Y, and if you’re the exception, you’re a freak. Even if these guys weren’t taught at a young age to hate women, the foundation of that hate was laid when they were young, and for whatever reason, it ballooned into full on bigotry. And while many people have used sciency sounding arguments to justify bigotry, eventually those arguments are disproven – except in the mind of bigots, who pretend like there’s no other evidence except their assfax from Encyclopedia Posterior. You would think life experience would slap them upside the head, but again, at some point, they choose to be ignorant.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

I think I vaguely remember that some feminist group did a bake sale once where they charged men more to make a point about the wage gap, but the idea that this is something/bl that happens in the real world is a tad silly.

Holy shit what the eff.

I hereby extend an invitation into a demesne seldom seen – my facebook wall and the posts therein. Notice how someone no longer part of my Facebook network and someone else who I don’t know…. do the feminist bake sale and, yep, use it as a talking point about how women are evil.

The red lines are a nice touch, I find.

… So I guess the world is, in fact, a hivemind and conversations just always end up in the same place.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Ah, wait. Duh. I forgot the anti mra measures. Sorry.

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r645/Fibinaut/Synchronization_zps228f6169.png

Have a link instead.

So yeah, that is a point people badger on about and it’s still used, today, by someone misunderstanding a point very, very much.

Charlie
Charlie
6 years ago

Actually, Sizzletron’s rant was almost entertaining for its language mashing. But “Stupider” is not a word. And “Not hyperbole.” is not a sentence.

However, the “Mindless Sorority” sounds like the really fun group on campus. I want to pledge it.

Charlie

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Wordsp!nner – I have a box of Thin Mints on the refrigerator even as we speak. I was out on 2/14 and there was a stand set up outside our local Walgreens. The sprightly young Scout in attendance had a darling little STOP For Cookies octagonal sign, and, well, I stopped. Tagalongs always make me want to ask, ‘why did you name these cookies after a language spoken in the Philippines?’ but my husband has politely suggested that that is a really corny joke. Also, the people fulminating against the Girl Scouts would make me want to buy their cookies even if they weren’t delicious – which they are.

gillyrosebee
6 years ago

OMFG “Encyclopedia Posterior”!!!

AbsintheDexterous, where should I send the bill to have the coffee cleaned out of my laptop keyboard?

gillyrosebee
6 years ago

If you’re worried about physical violence at your bake sale, you’re probably doing it wrong.

Except if you read the interviews with the organizers for the UC ones (they coordinated multiple campuses to have a “day of equality” event), they were really expecting, nay HOPING to be assaulted so that they could bang on about how the bigots can’t handle the TRUEFACTS these upstanding young folks were laying on them. I think, in their heart of hearts, they were hoping for an outbreak of late-60s style campus unrest.

There were many things I liked about being on a UC campus. The incredibly smug, self-righteous and yet utterly ham-fisted attempts of the campus conservatives to drum up incidences of “liberal intolerance” and “suppression” was emphatically not one of them.

Can’t remember who made the association first, but it’s very much like a kid who says naughty words repeatedly so that he can complain about how mean his mom is for grounding him.

gillyrosebee
6 years ago

auggziliary, if you are from a really wealthy family, do you get to take three and only pay $.25?

gillyrosebee
6 years ago

…okay I stopped by on my lunchbreak and discovered that no one seems to be around…

And the first thing that occurs to me is that I wonder if I can post enough to fill the “recent comments” section before folk come back and notice!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

If you’re a woman, you pay the same as a man, but you get 70% of a cookie.

If you’re Roosh, you rush home and post a lengthy diatribe about how Western cookies are terrible because they have too much fat and too much flavor, and they go stale as soon as they’re exposed to air, and if you eat a cookie out of an already-opened box, you’re a chump because someone else got to enjoy them at their peak.

If you’re Christopher in Oregon, you dwell on the fact that the cookies are decomposing inside your stomach.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

Can’t remember who made the association first, but it’s very much like a kid who says naughty words repeatedly so that he can complain about how mean his mom is for grounding him.

Oh, exactly. They always pretend like calling out a bad behavior is a far worse offense than said bad behavior.

“You called me a racist? That’s racist, you racist!”

Sarka
Sarka
6 years ago

I know someone who is being drawn into the MR movement. Last night, after another questionable post on my FB feed from AVfM, I put ‘Does anyone else think AVfM is shit?’ into google. It led me here. Whilst initially shocked about some of the depths these people stoop to I have also been laughing hard and deep. So nice that I’m not alone in thinking this ‘movement’ is missing the mark and largely peopled by complete assholes.

saintnick86
saintnick86
6 years ago

And paying a little extra for a totally unnecessary to support life cupcake (or in NZ, I think a university here did it using cups of coffee) is *exactly the same* as being paid your entire life at a lower rate because of your gender, because you choose to be female.

/nods

Of course, the people who I was talking to tried making the argument that the wage gap wasn’t “that bad”.

THERE SHOULDN’T BE A GAP, WHATSOEVER!

Holy shit what the eff.

I hereby extend an invitation into a demesne seldom seen – my facebook wall and the posts therein. Notice how someone no longer part of my Facebook network and someone else who I don’t know…. do the feminist bake sale and, yep, use it as a talking point about how women are evil.

The red lines are a nice touch, I find.

A lot like sensationalist scare-quotes as done by a five-year-old with a crayon, yeah?

It’s bad enough they got that worked up over such a picture when, I dunno, there’s more important shit happening in the world than the price of a bake sale. It’s worse that, when pointing out how often photos on the internet tend to be hoaxes and pranks – due to the prevalence of Photoshop – they dismiss that entirely…because they agreed with it.

My faith in the human race is dwindling…

… So I guess the world is, in fact, a hivemind and conversations just always end up in the same place.

It certainly doesn’t help the internet has further conditioned people to parrot the arguments of others, only to then act as if those talking points were their own.

saintnick86
saintnick86
6 years ago

Oh, exactly. They always pretend like calling out a bad behavior is a far worse offense than said bad behavior.

“You called me a racist? That’s racist, you racist!”

Not to mention that they hide behind FREEZE PEACH like a shield every time, as if everyone should tolerate their shit like it’s just “quirky” behavior and never complain. ‘Cause, like, Freedom of Speech is only about letting people say whatever they want without dealing with any disagreement…right?

Sounds like they don’t give a shit about free speech, to me.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

Re gender pay gap, the most headdesk mansplain I have seen for the results of this study (http://advance.cornell.edu/documents/ImpactofGender.pdf) is along the lines of:

“in their past experience of hirees, the males always performed better than the females”.*

Because, of course, when assessing candidates for job hire, it is totes fair to evaluate them on the basis of what completely different people were like.

* no evidence to support this statement is given, of course.

jennydevildoll
6 years ago

I’ll agree with him in one thing…I too find fashion magazines to be vacuous and vapid. Hey, you know who else does a lot of social critique of those kinds of magazines???? FEMINISTS.

The rest of it, especially the victim-blaming of women who have been abused, is reprehensible. Men can fall victim to domestic violence as well, as some of our other MRA pals are fond of pointing out, but I notice Sizzletron doesn’t propose I.Q. testing them. Then again, I think a far more productive thing than I.Q. tests would be more support for victims of abuse (regardless of gender) and more putting a stop to abusers (regardless of gender).

vaiyt
6 years ago

The one I heard about was a bunch of College Republicans charging women and minorities different prices to “highlight racism”

You mean “Reverse” racism – their idea was to show that black people and women got their stuff cheaper because of welfare. I had a response for this on Pharyngula:

To make it correct, they must make it so the white students must pay for their cookies with money taken from the minority students. They also need a system where any relatives of a white person that bought a cookie gets one for free.

takshak
takshak
6 years ago

“Stupider” is not a word. It is *so* a word! As in “an these assholes get any stupider?… oh, yeah.”

There’s a condition that has these symptoms, Wernike’s aphasia**, but in this case I think we’re dealing with a case of “WORDS! what do they mean?!!!?”

** “People with receptive aphasia are unable to understand language in its written or spoken form, and even though they can speak with normal grammar, syntax, rate, and intonation, they cannot express themselves meaningfully using language.” – wiki

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

There are examples of “stupidest” in 19th century literature: http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2009/02/stupid-stupider-and-stupidest.html

There doesn’t seem to be anything inherently grammatically incorrect in adding -est to stupid in order to form the construction. For example, the adjective “hot” has the accepted form “hottest”, so there is clearly no issue with using -est on an adjective.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
6 years ago

“WORDS! what do they mean?!!!?”

Sizzletron:

Let’s start IQ testing all the victims of abuse and see what the median average is.

Yes, median and average are words, and they both mean math stuff. But they mean DIFFERENT math stuff, so you can’t put them together, my dear.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Welcome, Sarka! And the answer to your question is “yes”.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Seconding the welcome, Sarka!

Whenever I tell my boss about MRA stuff, his eyes nearly pop out of his head. I would never call him a feminist, but he’s left somewhere between amused, flabbergasted and horrified by their shit.

Have a Welcome Package, too. Lots of kitties and tips about coding and info (not least about the running jokes here, like Penguin Whores).

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Kittehs: when I tell Mr. HK about some of the MRA bullshit, he gets the best “what fuckery is this I’m hearing” look on his face.

kittehserf
6 years ago

::nods:: That pretty much describes the look my boss gets.

Ally S
6 years ago

OT, but check out this cis MRA accusing a trans man of being “insincere” in his article about how male privilege affects him: http://feministhivemind.com/?p=925#comment-454

kittehserf
6 years ago

I like the way the commenters get stuck into mocking that MRA douche and wanting to know why they didn’t get their copies of the Left Wing Dogma Manual.

There was a big article in the Age, oh, last year, year before, about the experiences of trans people with the sudden gain or loss of privilege. It was talking about academia and STEM fields in particular, I think. Things like a trans woman not only having her work rejected – the very work she’d been praised for while perceived as a man – but being overridden in meetings, scorned, ignored, and getting actual rape and death threats from colleagues.

A trans man in a similar environment found just the opposite, of course. Suddenly his voice was important, his opinions and suggestions valid, his work much better than it had been even though it was no better and sometimes worse.

Wish I’d kept that article.

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Ally — well that’s bullshit, but damn the rest of the comments are hilarious! Also, my pharm student and I share that experience — going out in a skirt and heels gets notably different responses than sneakers, jeans and a random shirt. Or rather, the later gets nearly no responses. (In suitable femme clothing, or sufficently baggy clothing, we can both pass either way well enough for Pittsburgh, this seems to be regional though)

kittehserf
6 years ago

Speaking of hilarious, did anyone see Sir Patrick Stewart’s response to the Guardian calling him gay?

http://www.dailylife.com.au/dl-people/read-patrick-stewarts-hilarious-response-to-the-guardian-outing-him-as-gay-20140220-33226.html

Sarka
Sarka
6 years ago

Thanks for the awesome welcome package, will get kitteh avi sorted as soon as possible.

What a great community. I feel so much better about facing MRM bs when it rears its ugly head.

barrakuduh
6 years ago

Women who put extra effort into their appearance are shallow and vapid (and probably FEMINISTS), and have stupid interests that nobody cares about.
Women who don’t put extra effort into their appearance are horrible and disgusting (and probably FEMINISTS), and are ridiculous to think they would ever be attractive to anyone.
-__-

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

barrakudah,
Nailed it.
I’ll add to that:

Go out styled and glammed out, feeling polished and put together = must be trying to manipulate men. MISANDRY!

Go out in casual sneakers and jeans, fresh faced and comfortable = Denying men their rightful eye candy + not being properly female. MISANDRY!

Basically, existing while female (especially if you are doing something that makes you happy) = MISANDRY!

jennydevildoll
6 years ago

@barrakuduh – Naah, women can put effort into their appearance or not as they choose, just like anybody else.
But so-called “fashion mags” peddle the idea that the only way to care about your appearance is to follow their dictates,, buy the products they say are “cool” etc. which is why I (and other FEMINISTS) also tend to find them- the magazines and their content, not necessarily every person reading them- vapid.
And this isn’t even touching on critiques some of the means of production employed by parts of the fashion industry using sweatshop labor, etc.
I understand this is not what Sizzletron’s criticism was about, it was more about attacking women, or at least the stereotypes he holds of women in his mind.

kittehserf
6 years ago

jennydevildoll – of course; barrakuduh’s point was about MRA attitudes, not about stupid fashion magazines. I doubt anyone here is unaware of the shit that goes into the fashion industry.

leatapp – isn’t it nice to know that just being happy and never needing their approval gives MRAs a sad boner?

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Kittenserf,
I’m not always a naturally sunny person. But sometimes, just knowing that if I can make daisies spring up in my footsteps it’ll make boners sad in MRA pants is enough to put a song in my heart.
…and that song is most likely by Emilee Autumn.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu46/mk26/agnes-happy.gif

jennydevildoll
6 years ago

-Kittenserf – Oh, ok. I thought it was in response to my earlier comment on that point (where I capitalized “feminists”) and thought I maybe did a bad job explaining myself.

vaiyt
6 years ago

I just find it amusing how MRAs, even in points where they would agree with feminists, make mental calisthenics to try and spin it into women being horrible and at fault.

kittehserf
6 years ago

No, you were clear, jennydevildoll. 🙂

leatapp – LOL at the idea of women dancing around with said daisies springing up (can I have bluebells? I like them better) and all the poooooor mennnzzzzzzzz just WILTING at the sight of it.

I tend to alternate between a serious, at-rest face or what could probably best be called a smirk if I’m having a conversation with Mr K (our conversations tend to the silly). Sometimes I’ll laugh aloud at something he’s said. With any luck, that will drive away any MRAs in the vicinity.

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Leatapp! A fellow plague rat! *rat claws* ^.^

Her book is on sale this weekend, half off, just an FYI.

barrakuduh
6 years ago

@ jennydevildoll:
Oh, no, that wasn’t in response to you; you made good points. It was in response to people like Sizzletron, who complain no matter what women do. I just find it funny how people in the manosphere throw around “FEMINIST” like it’s some kind of insult or dirty word, hence the capitalization.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Ally

OT, but check out this cis MRA accusing a trans man of being “insincere” in his article about how male privilege affects him

Oh god I don’t dare. It’d just make me too mad. *has a… weird experience regarding gender, privilege, and passing*

katz
6 years ago

Speaking of what fashion mags do to you, has everyone else seen this music video? I can’t stop watching it.

kittehserf
6 years ago

It was one weird comment, LBT, and zie got taken to pieces immediately.