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A dude named Sizzletron shares his “honest opinions that are entirely merit-based, about women.” (Spoiler alert: They actually aren’t.)

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It’s Friday. Why not welcome in the upcoming weekend with a picture of an anarchist cat and a completely unrelated,  completely unhinged manifesto from the MensRants subreddit, the Men’s Rights subreddit’s unruly younger brother.

In a post with the somewhat roundabout title “Just posting this publicly gives me an ulcer. But I won’t let it stop me,” an angry fella who calls himself sizzletron set forth his opinions about, well, a lot of things having to do with women. It’s a piece that’s pretty much impossible to summarize, since sizzletron apparently finds it difficult to keep the thread of an argument going from one sentence to the next.

Let’s dig in:

I think most women are very unfamiliar with being challenged to be better adults. I also think I have a lot of honest opinions that are entirely merit-based, about women.

We’re off to a good start with two sentences that have no logical connection to one another aside from the fact that their author is really, really mad at women.

I think that collectively most women, in the West especially, don’t have an understanding of ANY motivation that doesn’t support women blindly.

Uh, what? Motivation? I’m beginning to get the impression that sizzletron chooses a lot of his words by flipping through books and pointing at random selections.

For example, chivalry should dead and gone by now. I know it. Most guys who aren’t trying to get laid dishonestly know it. So why do women persist with claiming some sort of implicit right to it? Because it obviously benefits them to have men do shit for them, protect them (often from themselves, which would be hilarious were the net result so often fatal, or judicial, again for men), provide for them, admire them, pedestalize them. Feminism isn’t helping women. It’s putting baby in a very stupid, very un-respectable corner.

What does this even mean? How is chivalry the same as “putting baby in the corner.” Also, since when are feminists the ones promoting chivalry/

But sizzletron quickly moves on to a new topic: women’s intelligence.

Women are getting stupider by the day. Not hyperbole. Intelligence isn’t getting book smart. Intelligence is problem solving on your own without the agency of a mob apparatus.

What? What agency? What mob? What apparatus? WHAT IS GOING ON?

Ask me how much I actually respect the advances, societally, of a mob of hairshirts-for-men feminists? Not even a bit.

Wait, feminists are making men wear hairshirts? Even as a weird metaphorical accusation that makes no sense. People in certain religious traditions wore hairshirts as a way to show repentance; they didn’t force other people to wear them.

Now how many of those same organizations and feminists are alluded to lamely in a debate-by-the-numbers exercise that regularly passes for a discourse on gender relations?

Ok, I give up. I have no idea what the hell he’s even trying to say here.

You know what I do everyday?

Smoke weed? Read the “Ziggy” cartoon in the newspaper? Have a bowel movement?

I read the fashion mags my GF’s sister bequeaths us. My respect for women has absolutely PLUMMETED since I started doing so. Vacuous, vagina-centric, vapid, vicarious, venereal-in-waiting. All the ‘V’ words.

Uh, vicarious? “Venereal-in-waiting?” If you were going for something that was even vaguely coherent, you probably should have stopped with “vapid.”

But Mike, what about the good women, they aren’t all self-interested limelight addicts expecting money for nothing and sex for free. No, you’re very correct about that.

Ooh, a Dire Straits reference. It doesn’t actually make much sense, but way to show you’re up to the minute with what the cool kids are listening to these days.

But they aren’t calling out the chickenshit manipulations of the modern feminist message, either: You can be a strong respectable female AND a major victim when it bloody well suits you to do so. You can identify with abused women even if you’ve never been abused.

Yeah, I think that’s called “empathy.”

Blindly protect women without ever asking how much of the modern women’s plight is due to or contributed to by stupid women. Let’s start IQ testing all the victims of abuse and see what the median average is.

You’re going to blame the victims of domestic violence because you think they’re “stupid?” Really?

Really. Let’s do it! We’ll never know if I’m right until we do.

You’re an even bigger asshole than I thought. And I already thought you were a huge asshole.

Let’s start statistically plotting women’s propensity for violence, for ignorance, for mindless sorority.

Yeah, I’d love to see THAT chart.

Let’s start calling women out for being shallow appearance-concerned adults with a blind eye to the very pretense of such. No one really cares about your fucking furniture, or your sense of style.

Wait. Now you’re mad at women for having nice furniture?

No one of ANY value gives a shit about that stuff. Blowhards do. Frauds do. People who can’t DO, do.

Backing away now.

It is high time women grew the fucking pair they keep insisting they have, or STFU about it already. You’re starting to look like fools. I can’t ignore it any longer.

STFU about what? What is “it?”

And to all the white knights out there, stow it. <===This last line is for the benefit of my FB ‘friends’.

What a treat it must be to have Mike/Sizzletron here in your Facebook feed.

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alternatesteve90
6 years ago

Hey Dave & company. Speaking of Dire Straits, I just listening to “Sultans of Swing” on the radio this morning…..damn, is that tune awesome. =)

Dvärghundspossen
6 years ago

Because it obviously benefits them to have men do shit for them, protect them (often from themselves, which would be hilarious were the net result so often fatal, or judicial, again for men)

As you all know, not a native speaker, BUT shouldn’t there be a “not” in this sentence? Isn’t he saying that it would be hilarious if men died (while protecting women from other women)?

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

Feeling really bad for this dude’s girlfriend, and for her sister.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

Now how many of those same organizations and feminists are alluded to lamely in a debate-by-the-numbers exercise that regularly passes for a discourse on gender relations?

He should look up the the definition of “allude”.

Vacuous, vagina-centric, vapid, vicarious, venereal-in-waiting. All the ‘V’ words.

Va va voom, Vietnamese, viscous, Voodoo, V: The Mini-Series

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Is this guy saying that feminists love women’s magazines? Of course you can be a feminist and still read them sometimes. I’ve done it. But feminists have criticized them plenty. I don’t think he did his research.

Also, if you’re going to criticize people for being stupide, you should make sure your own post is at least somewhat coherent.

Maybe my lady brainz are just too full of shoes and make up thoughts to comprehend his majestic and revolutionary prose style!

Howard Bannister
6 years ago

Now how many of those same organizations and feminists are alluded to lamely in a debate-by-the-numbers exercise that regularly passes for a discourse on gender relations?

Ooo, ooo, I get what he’s saying here!

He’s saying that when you cite sources or provide facts gathered by others instead of just assfax as he prefers, you’re the one who’s being anti-intellectual and lowering the standards of the debate!

Checkmate, feminists!

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Stupid not stupide

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Put down the Cosmo, dude. That rag has very little relation to real life.

He writes like he’s 80 and has never actually met a woman.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Furniture mags are what has this guy’s undies in a bunch?

I wonder if he’s worried about hard chairs or soft ones? Sofas? Although, if he wants to take a stand against chaise longues, I’m totally with him. No one should be proud of having chaise longues. Chaise lounges. Longueseseseses. Those fainty-couchy things that I can never remember how to spell.

And tassels. Tassels are contributing to the downfall of western civilization, and that’s real.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

He’s saying that when you cite sources or provide facts gathered by others instead of just assfax as he prefers, you’re the one who’s being anti-intellectual and lowering the standards of the debate!

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I HATE this line of sloppy thinking. I blame Fox News.

neuroticbeagle
6 years ago

And tassels. Tassels are contributing to the downfall of western civilization, and that’s real.

That must be why our kitty overlords love to play with them. Tassels are a tool of the Furrinati.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

Let’s start statistically plotting women’s propensity for violence, for ignorance, for mindless sorority.

Yeah, I’d love to see THAT chart.

LOL. I love how Mikey thinks throwing the word “statistically” in there turns this raging screed into a science project.

SeaLenz
SeaLenz
6 years ago

Delurking cuz this was so glaring to me:

“No one of any value” cares about sense of style at all, because that’s shallow. So it would have to be safe to assume that Sizzletron here wouldn’t care if a woman, say, didn’t shave her legs? Right?

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Hello, SeaLenz! Please enjoy your complimentary Welcome Package!

You’re forgetting that buying matching towels or having nice furniture is shallow, valueless style. Women refusing to shave their legs or (heavens forfend!!) their armpits is against the Right and Proper Order of Nature!

Falconer
6 years ago

Ooh, a Dire Straits reference. It doesn’t actually make much sense, but way to show you’re up to the minute with what the cool kids are listening to these days.

Now trending on Twitter:

#HowDoIWorkThis
#LargeAutomobile
#MyBeautifulWife

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

read the fashion mags my GF’s sister bequeaths us. My respect for women has absolutely PLUMMETED since I started doing so.

My respect for non-misogynist men has not been diminished by all these impossibly stupid, poorly written, irrational manosphere hate rants, because I don’t ignorantly stereotype large swathes of humanity. Unfortunately, since Mikey finds empathy incomprehensible, I’m guessing bigotry comes easy to him.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

I don’t read fashion mags myself. Is incoherence a common result of reading too many of them? Or is it that he’s been fapping off too much over the models in them?

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Fizzletron reads fashion magazines everyday, and from these he’s formed an “honest” and “merit-based” opinion of women. And all women everywhere are the ones who lack intelligence.

Blindly protect women without ever asking how much of the modern women’s plight is due to or contributed to by stupid women. Let’s start IQ testing all the victims of abuse and see what the median average is.

Ah, I see, he’s just an abuse apologist. A woman gets beaten and abused because she’s stupid; not because the one doing the beating and abuse is an asshole.

Mklein
Mklein
6 years ago

And a really scary thing about that whole “let’s chart the IQs of abused women” part is that historically, people (especially women) who are likely to have markedly lower IQ test scores – namely intellectually disabled people, cognitively disabled people, developmentally disabled people, mentally ill people – have an especially high risk of abuse from their families, caretakers, and spouses. This is the kind of ableism that gets disabled people killed.

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

“No one of any value” cares about sense of style at all, because that’s shallow. So it would have to be safe to assume that Sizzletron here wouldn’t care if a woman, say, didn’t shave her legs? Right?

Sizzletron himself has evolved beyond the need for clothes. Or couches.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
6 years ago

These guys like to argue that their “standards” regarding female attractiveness are biologically based, and at the same time, they denigrate any woman who spends time focusing on her appearance. Yet again, women are wrong no matter what they do. You’re ugly — you’re a terrible person. You spend time trying to look good — you’re a terrible person. I’m beginning to sense a pattern here…oh yeah, these assholes just flat out hate all women.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

I’m calling “cool story bro” on his claim to have actually read a bunch of women’s magazines. He clearly wants to distance himself from the source, so he came up with the sketchy “my GF’s sister” angle.

Also women’s magazines are an ubiquitous target of MRA contempt, so much so that they function as part of the Unholy Trinity of Female Suckitude, along with Sex in the City and Jezebel.

Ivy Shoots
6 years ago

Somebody should “bequeath” him a stack of GQs, Esquires, and Playboys, so his respect for men can similarly plummet.

Lids
6 years ago

He forgot the most important V of all: Ventriloquist.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
6 years ago

@Ivy shoots I don’t read the rest of Esquire, but I do like reading Charlie Pierce’s work on their politics blog. He has a propensity for using ableist language when referring to the fringier aspects of conservative err… thought. However, his analysis is usually good

Also, his blog has the best motto “Fk the deficit, people got no jobs, people got no money.”

As to this asshole in the OP, this screed seems fairly generic. Sounds a lot like the people yelling about kids these days and their rap music.

The lack of coherence wasn’t even entertaining. 2/10.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

All the Vs? Really? So:

Vibrant, Vital, Verified andVictorious

BritterSweet
BritterSweet
6 years ago

Okay, so…I’ll see if I can try making sense of that. Deducting from other commonly used complaints and insults made by other MRAs and misogynists, I think he’s trying to make the following points:

– Women try to fool themselves and each other into thinking they have any strength or independence, when really they need men (and the government) for everything.
– Women having lives of their own = abusing men.
– Treating women like human beings is special treatment, because it’s better than they deserve. As they’re actually less than human beings.
– Women who are victims are not actually victims. They deserve whatever abuse they get because they actually bring it upon themselves due to their own stupidity. And it’s unfair and wrong that other people actually care about them.
– Women, keep silent about your real problems because they make *my* life less convenient.

Blech. That was disgusting to type. I need a kitty:

Ah, that’s better.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

That’s a good point Mklein. Is this d-bag trying to say that it’s OK to abuse people with a low IQ? As the sibling of someone with an intellectual disability and as a half decent person the thought leaves me sputtering with rage to the extent that I can’t even say anything articulate about it.

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

Yes, how dare women’s fashion magazines be all commercial and only caring about fashion. They should be running articles on modern issues, STEM fields, and atheism. You know, like men’s fashion magazines do.

Also, what’s really funny about the Dire Straits reference, not only does it show that he’s heard “dadrock” before, but the song itself is about making fun of people who think the life of a rockstar isn’t work by having two lowlives. So basically, by making that reference, he’s being said lowlife thinking that the life of a woman is not working at all.

Ivy Shoots
6 years ago

@opium, I wasn’t criticizing those magazines; I just know they all give fashion, grooming, and dating advice just like the women’s mags do.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

I would agree with this statement:

I think most women are very unfamiliar with being challenged to be better adults.

Because most women are (a) not adults or (b) not terribly awful people.

However, most adult women are have experience with the type of BS coming from misogynists like sizzleton. The misogynists may think this BS is “challenging” us to be “better adults” but no, its not. It’s just annoying, and in some cases harassing and depressing, noise.

And look what happens when the misogynists are challenged to be better people.

bekabot
6 years ago

Let’s start statistically plotting women’s propensity for violence, for ignorance, for mindless sorority.

I’m thinking of a Quaker or Buddhist Greek establishment called The Mindful Sorority. Somebody ought to try to set something like that up. Obviously, though, Mr. Sizzletron is not the man for the task.

No one really cares about your fucking furniture, or your sense of style.

How strange. That’s what Simone de Beauvoir said, and she said it much better.

tedthefed
tedthefed
6 years ago

The amazing thing to me is how these guys don’t know how to cognitively handle meeting two different women who disagree about things.

He knows that feminists exist, and he also knows that women who like when people treat them chivalrously exist. He can’t figure out that these are two different groups of people. All women hold every view that he’s ever heard of any woman having.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

You can be a strong respectable female AND a major victim when it bloody well suits you to do so.

Wait, wait, wait. This is really strange to me, because it seems to be implying this is some set in stone mutually-exclusive binary thing.

Even the best tough guy on the planet can suffer a horrible accident — they get hit by lightning, or charged for a crime they didn’t commit, or something else that’s completely not their fault. This wouldn’t negate their strength, nor would their strength mean they couldn’t be victimized. I thought this was something everyone understood?

RE: Dvarghundspossen

As you all know, not a native speaker, BUT shouldn’t there be a “not” in this sentence?

Congratulations. You know English better than this guy, because you’re totally right.

Guy Noir
Guy Noir
6 years ago

Does anyone know what happened to the 20/20 story on MRM? Did I miss it?

I found this clip of Elam, but that’s all:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/marriage-unsafe-men-mens-rights-activist-20582309

Sorry I’m off topic, but I’ve been wondering about it.

yaoi huntress earth
yaoi huntress earth
6 years ago

It’s funny, they keeping say how stupid, incompetent and lazy women are, but somehow we are able to successfully create, maintain and enforce a conspiracy of keeping men down without a hitch.

Yutolia
Yutolia
6 years ago

And a really scary thing about that whole “let’s chart the IQs of abused women” part is that historically, people (especially women) who are likely to have markedly lower IQ test scores – namely intellectually disabled people, cognitively disabled people, developmentally disabled people, mentally ill people – have an especially high risk of abuse from their families, caretakers, and spouses. This is the kind of ableism that gets disabled people killed.

I completely agree. Besides that fact, after someone has been through something like years of abuse, their cognitive abilities can diminish AS A RESULT OF THE ABUSE.

Kristine
Kristine
6 years ago

I would like to point out that even though many magazines marketed towards women are often sexist and insulting to women, they are one of the few sources of mass culture provided for women and only women. Women’s magazines have served as a way for women to create a culture for ourselves independently of men and distribute that culture to countless women across the country/world for as long as they have existed. I think MRA’s get mad about women’s magazines not because the content is so vapid, but because they give women a public voice (that cannot be ignored; it’s in every grocery store and gas station.) They also serve as proof that women can have desires and beliefs and hobbies and interests without men’s permission.

So yeah, as weird, awful and harmful as women’s mags often are, they have at least one function that sticks it to the patriarchy. And misogynists notice.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Kristine: Really? I thought their main purpose was to sell us shit we don’t need and make us feel vaguely shitty about ourselves.

Howard Bannister
6 years ago

@Guy Noir

I think it got pulled.

There’s a tag.

Kristine
Kristine
6 years ago

@hellkell: Well, yes, it is. I’m not saying that they aren’t horrible in far more ways than they’re good. I think maybe I didn’t do a very good job of wording my point, let me try again. What I was trying to say is that when a misogynist complains about the content of women’s magazines, it’s not because he thinks the content should be improved. It’s because he doesn’t think women should be allowed to talk at all. Does that make more sense?

fizzingwhizzbees
fizzingwhizzbees
6 years ago

I find it laughable how all these dudes are so focused on the “mindlessness” of female friendships. Basically there are two options here:

– They are enraged by the thought of any woman having relationships with people who are not men.

– They are so crushingly lonely that they’ve convinced themselves having close friends and valuing each other’s opinions is the mark of a brainless herd of sheep, while they of course are a Super Manly Lone Wolf. Friendship is for LOSERS.

Kristine
Kristine
6 years ago

When I say yes it is, I mean yes their purpose is to sell us shit. I am not communicating well today.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

*snrk* Have you guys ever LOOKED at Maxim? It’s pretty fucking vapid too.

Also, zomg zomg guys, speaking of selling you shit… GUESS WHO FINALLY HAS A PROPER SHOP PAGE? 8D No more awful Paypal drop-down menus! No more shoddy 90s web design we have to do ourself! WE LOOK LEGIT NOW AHAHAHA

(Sorry for the incoherence, but me and my kid sibling have been hauling ass on this for DAYS.)

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

oooo ooooo oooo an Etsy shop 🙂 Gratz!

katz
6 years ago

Did a woman introduce herself to him like V from V for Vendetta, or something?

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Seeing how the correlation between handicaps, particularly mental ones, and being abused has been well covered, I’m going to offer an anecdote. Two rapist ex’s, a gaslighting narcissist ex, and an IQ in the mid 130s. It like you don’t have to have a low IQ to be abused! (But I’m nuts, so I fail under another category of “easy prey”, funny how that works)

I’d comment on the rest, but I’d have to make sense of it first.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Argenti

*snrk* Yeah, and my family, is like, The Circle of Rape as far as how embedded abuse and molestation are. Lots of intelligent people in my family… and lots of abusers too. I’m the LUCKY one; I made it till sixteen!

Funny, my family has a pretty decent rate of mental illness and substance abuse too… it’s almost like that kind of abuse cycle really wrecks a family!

HeatherN
6 years ago

Let’s start calling women out for being shallow appearance-concerned adults with a blind eye to the very pretense of such. No one really cares about your fucking furniture, or your sense of style.

And there you have it…not just hatred of women, but a hatred & devaluing of whatever society deems feminine.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

I’m a little uncomfortable about IQ being used as though it is the gold standard measure for intelligence. Besides the fact that there are various forms of IQ tests, which test different factors, there’s also the issues that:
– IQ tests are best used to predict performance at school, so they’re not a good marker for job potential/occupation
– what is measured in IQ tests and how it is measured is based on biases, plus formal education strongly influences test score on a number of variants of these tests. They’re culture- and context-specific. IQ is a theoretical construct which shouldn’t be moderated by formal education level/quality.
– they don’t have what I would consider to be a great test-retest reliability, part of which will relate to the fact that IQ is not accurate to within a couple of IQ points (so what’s the point about comparing exact IQ scores)?

They also have a negative history of “proving” blacks, females, and people from non-English speaking countries are inferior.

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