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A Voice for Men takes on feminist [rhymes-with-bunts] with new poster campaign

No, this is real. I didn't make it up. I just blurred out the c-word.
No, this is real. I didn’t make it up. I just blurred out the c-word.

Last week I wrote about the fondness of a certain Men’s Rights website for a certain four-letter word starting with the letter c. This week they’ve topped themselves — with a postering campaign based on the c-word.

Yep: A Voice for Men has thrown its support behind a postering campaign with the slogan: “Having a vagina is no excuse for being a C*NT.”

They don’t use an asterisk.

The postering campaign, spearheaded by a Youtube antifeminist calling himself Bane666au, feature what purport to be real quotes from feminists alongside not-exactly-subtle stock photos depicting comically angry women. For example:

Every man is filth; I wish they were all dead."

I’m the one who blurred out the c-word; they left it intact. Other alleged feminist quotes include:

If a woman has drunk any amount of alcohol, she can’t consent to sex.

Nothing gives me more pleasure than the suffering of men.

Historically, women have been oppressed worse than black slaves.

That last one is a tad ironic. Not just because it’s a bit odd to contrast “women” and “black slaves” when half of all black slaves were women and girls. And not just because I never hear feminists making this claim. No, it’s a tad ironic because AVFM is constantly comparing men to slaves and suggesting that men are being “enslaved” by everything from child support payments to the women they date.

But I digress. You may wonder where exactly all these alleged quotes come from. In the comments to his AVFM post promoting the postering campaign, AVFM’s Dean Esmay blithely assures readers that “most or all” of the sources of the quotes can be found “right at the end of the video.”

This is not — how should I put it? — true. In fact, the percentage of quotations accurately sourced at the end of the video is a lot closer to “none” than to “most.” Bane666au, for his part, only claims that “all comments are based on actual comments I’ve seen or heard from self proclaimed feminists.”

Apparently he has an extremely loose definition of “based on” because only a couple of the actual quotes from Tumblr feminists he includes at the end of his video bear much resemblance to his, er, paraphrases.

Many of the alleged “hateful” quotes are obvious jokes, taken completely out of context, taking aim at popular perceptions of feminists. Here’s one screenshot from his video (with the name of the poster blurred out):

cnty3pn
So who is the terrible misandrist who posted this terrible thing? I went and looked at her Tumblr. It consists of a lot of arty photos of her, mixed with pictures of favorite bands, some of her own artwork — and various pictures of various boyfriends, all evidently remembered with much fondness. On Valentine’s Day she posted some Valentine’s Day cards she designed and drew, inspired by The Smiths and Fleetwood Mac. She’s an excellent artist. There was no hatred to be found there.

And it’s a little hard to see how anyone but a misogynist who has named himself after a Batman villain could possibly interpret this comment, from another Tumblr feminist, as “misandry.”

cnty1
And speaking of reasonable statements interpreted as misandry, here’s my favorite poster in Bane666‘s batch of posters:
cntypaid2

Now, I hope I don’t shock anyone here by saying it, but the wage gap is real. There’s some debate over the size of it, and to what degree it is appropriate to attribute the gap to women’s “choices” rather than discrimination. But it exists. Even the study most cited by those who like to downplay the gap, a 2009 Labor Department report prepared by the CONSAD Research Corp., found a roughly 5-7% wage gap that couldn’t be explained away by women’s “choices.” (See here for more.)

But MRAs have convinced themselves that the gender wage gap is a “myth.” Having failed to win over the rest of the world to this incorrect belief through the power of simple repetition, the folks at AVFM have evidently decided to move on to gendered slurs.

It will be interesting to see how this works out for them.

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Seranvali
Seranvali
6 years ago

sirtooting. Thanks for the copypasta. It doesn’t make any difference.

katz
6 years ago

sirtooting, what the fuck makes you think you are an authority on language when you can’t even figure out that there are three dots in a goddamn ellipsis?

BreakfastMan
BreakfastMan
6 years ago

@sirtooting: Don’t post copy-pasta. Write what you actually think, don’t hide behind the words of others. It makes you look cowardly and insecure.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

Wow, you could have posted a link with a few judicious quotes instead of pasting an entire article without citing the source.

Possible source below:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/place-london/plain/A753527

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Wow.

Go ahead, Toots. Sing us the song of your people.

Do you think if you just add volume to your asshattery, you will overwhelm everyone into silence? You just keep solidifying the impression that you’ve already given.

sirtooting
sirtooting
6 years ago

I will tell you what is totally offensive, is when someone who is ignorant of the English language and other peoples cultural definitions of it, tells someone else to fuck off.
They should first recognise the world does not revolve around America and it’s definitions of the English language and neither does the internet
Tolerance only for those who agree with you is no tolerance at all.
There should be less of American arrogance on here and a little more humility.
You think you should have the right to tell people to eff off in this way, for little or no cause? No wonder America is so violent, , you have so few manners and are prone to launch into verbal attacks at the drop of a hat.
I suggest you first get some manners, then learn some tolerance.

katz
6 years ago

I will tell you what is totally offensive, is when someone who is ignorant of the English language

Grammar mistakes in your post: 6

BreakfastMan
BreakfastMan
6 years ago

David, looks like you are going to need to break out the hammer…

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

I’ll go reread “The Charge of the Light Brigade” if it will help repair the damage Manboobz has done to our countries’ “special relationship”.

Note: Other countries not as special, sorry.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

tooting, you asked nicely to stop using that word. It was explained to you why people on this board found that word derogatory. Multiple people expressed their objections to that word. Your response to this was to double down, mansplain, and post long walls of copy & pasted text (without even referencing your source).

So yeah, fuck off.

sirtooting
sirtooting
6 years ago

Really was I? .. being told to ..”eff off” .. is nice in your book .. I see.
You really are a tw..

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Toots, you can argue until you are blue in the face that in your culture “orange” is the word for that small, four footed creature with ears and a long tail that purrs and poops in a sandbox, but I will still take the Oxford English Dictionary’s authority for the etymology, definition and usage of a given English word. I will especially take the OED’s word over the report from some two-bit internet dictionary.

I will give you credit for sheer gall, for having the nerve to lecture folk on manners after doubling down on language which you have been informed is considered unacceptable in this community.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

There was the first circumnavigation of the spam filter.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Ah, I get it, it’s a subculture.

“Me and my obnoxious mates who hang out at the pub and troll feminist sites on our phones.”

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

tooting: Again, fuck off.

BreakfastMan
BreakfastMan
6 years ago

@sirtooting: David, the owner of this site, asked you to drop it from HIS comment board. So fucking drop it if you don’t want to get banned.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

Wow, between the choice of just not using the tw- word anymore . . . and . . . this . . . you choose this . . .

I guess toots thinks life must not be difficult enough.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

You were asked/informed four times before you decided to double down, at which point most of seem to have run out of “nice” to offer you.

It does make me curious though. You identify as an “artist and feminist”. How do you define feminist so that it includes the use of references to female anatomy as an insult? I really am curious as to how that makes sense, but maybe you have your own particular “cultural definition” of feminist that none of us are familiar with?

sirtooting
sirtooting
6 years ago

I left you to fill in the missing letters, you can use your own imagination .. if you can find it, of course ..
and keep rolling your eyes, I’m sure if you keep looking, you’ll find that missing brain cell of yours very soon.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Do you even know what you’re arguing anymore?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Is this troll beginning to have a familiar reek to anyone else?

vaiyt
6 years ago

2a person regarded as stupid or obnoxious.

Gee, I wonder why a word for female genitals would also be used to insult people?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Oh yeah, the smell is rather familiar.

ignotussomnium
ignotussomnium
6 years ago

Wow, a post about a completely idiotic and blatant use of a gendered slur gets a comment troll trying to defend their use of another gendered slur. “But it has other definitions!!!” doesn’t work when we’re talking about people who commonly use that word and others as slurs. Didn’t we just have a post discussing how folks at AVFM think it’s super clever to refer to Twitter as Tw*tter when talking about women who use it?

Also coming back and using that word for people who disagree with your use of it is totally classy.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

Is that a poster endlessly demanding the right to use a gendered slur because it’s a personal favorite, throwing unwanted historical and cultural defenses at everyone while acting like they’re William fucking Wallace in Braveheart?

I’ve seen this show before. Like The Sopranos, it doesn’t end well.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Is trying to get around the moderation a bannable offence?

N’thing the comments that this sounds like a sockpuppet.

kittehserf
6 years ago

David, best ninja ever. 😀

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Is he frothing? I picture copious frothing and sputtering. And lots and lots of two dot fauxllipses

cloudiah
6 years ago

So, who was SirTooting? Very familiar stench.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

A more accurate poster.

Hey Manboobz! 🙂

cloudiah
6 years ago

Alice, that is an AWESOME poster.

Any manboobzers want to rise to the challenge of making MOAR better posters than AVfM?

We have something of a history…

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

sirtooting, why are you assuming everyone here is American? I am, but many commenters are not.
Also, stop assuming British English is so mysterious and foreign to Americans. Most of us watch British TV shows and movies and read books by British authors. We all know British slang and what it means in popular usage. You aren’t going to trick anyone here into accepting your inappropriate comments.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
6 years ago

@ Alice,

I’m sensing a new parody poster outbreak! The only problem is that I don’t know any terms for straight, white men that have the same kind of venom cunt does–dick is behavior-linked in a way that cunt isn’t*, and isn’t nearly as venomous, and cracker just makes people laugh** (source: white person). So it would be hard to replicate the effect exactly.

Am I the only one who suspects that Tooter came in here trying to provoke this reaction? Moderately on-topic first comment as an excuse to say “twat” and then having fun yelling at feminists? Why do people do that>

* “Cunt” (in the US) just means “woman I don’t like” (or, given that this is AVFM we’re talking about, effectively all women. Whereas “dick” usually connotes misbehavior of the petty or entitled kind.

** I honestly think “cracker” might be more of a classist slur than one to white people specifically, but it does make privileged Northern whites giggle.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Ooh good. Got ninja’d by the banning news!

Anyway, the point I was originally going to make is that “don’t be that feminist” implies that there is a certain kind of feminist that is bad. Does that mean that there is a different kind of feminist that is acceptable and good?
I’m sure they didn’t mean to suggest that there was a good kind of feminist, but they are complete toolsheds and were foolish enough to realize that they inadvertently did so.

Seranvali
Seranvali
6 years ago

Alice Sanguinaria:

That is indeed a more accurate poster. The truth even, with URL that people can look up to prove it.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

If you went to a party and sat down in the punch bowl and someone came up to you and said, please don’t sit in the punch bowl, we don’;t do that here, the proper response is to get out of the punch bowl, not to keep sitting in it while yelling about how in your country everyone sits in punch bowls.

If you’re unwilling to attend a party in which you can’t sit in the punch bowl, you are of course free to leave. But it’s rude to stay in the punch bown after you’ve been asked to get out of it.

Sadly this is the very reason people have stopped inviting me to parties. I keep explaining it’s an age-old Latvian tradition, but nooooo, it’s always “What are you doing? Get out! Yes, out the punch bowl and my apartment!”

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

Note: Technically not an age-old Latvian tradition

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

wordsp1nner, there are white people (not me) who get offended by the word cracker and actually try to claim that it’s equivalent to the n-word. They show up in the comments section in articles about Trayvon Martin’s murder a lot.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

Seranvali – *bows* If only MRAs did that with their posters, then we can see the truth for ourselves.

Then again…. probably not in their best interest. 😛

wordsp1nner – I personally don’t want to use slurs to describe MRAs, especially when “bloody wanker” does the trick (and is 100% true!). It would be hard to replicate the exact effect, but the fact that a feminist is using their own words against them should rile them up a bit. 😛

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
6 years ago

weirwoodtreehugger,

I suspect they are the same people who think cis is an insult.
But my laughter comment was based on the first time I’d ever heard it–in eighth grade, where one of my teachers mentioned it. The whole class snickered.

Ally S
6 years ago

Yay, Alice is back!

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

I don’t think there are slurs for privileged groups precisely because they are privileged.

Calling someone a C… or a N… or what have you is basically just calling attention to the fact that they’re lower on the social hierarchy; “you’re in group x and we all agree that group x is stupid and inferior.”

The lack of (actually insulting) slurs for a group is probably a pretty good indication that that group is privileged.

BritterSweet
BritterSweet
6 years ago

Thanks to these fellows, I am no longer shocked by the c-word. And the posters just show a form of Lewis’s Law. I mean, you could just make one of these into a (de)motivational poster that says, “THIS is why Feminism is needed.”

Also I’m late to the party, but yeah I think that the flamer was a troll. How can one bring up both dictionary definitions of the slur, with the gender-related definition included, and NOT put two and two together? What a Toot.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Didn’t Piers Morgan try to say he was the victim of “cisphobia” after he bungled the interview with Janet Mock and got called on it?

To think that all these years I was hated for being cis and didn’t even know it. Poor me!

Seriously though, I thought misandry and reverse racism were ridiculous concepts, but cisphobia really takes the cake.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
6 years ago

Alice,

I understand not wanting to use slurs. After all, we’re just making fun of their terrible poster choices and pointing out what terrible people they are, and quoting them is the best way to do that. (Witness the hate for David.) I just thought it said something that if we’d wanted to copy it down to the connotations of the insult we couldn’t due to patriarchy.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

Does that mean that there is a different kind of feminist that is acceptable and good?

“I lecture my toaster about Male Disposability for 45 minutes every day”