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Men’s Rights Redditor: “Going to a strip club as a guy must be like going to a regular nightclub as a girl!”

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How stupid do you have to be to actually believe the following nonsense? Not just regular stupid. Men’s Rights stupid.

Wow, just wow. This blew my mind the other day when I went to the strip club (self.MensRights)  submitted 1 day ago* by horqth  So I went in there, with no intention of buying anything, I just went in there and got something to drink and sat down by myself.  After a few minutes, strippers comes up to me and starts to be nice to me, tells me I look good, that I dress well and, they are just basically trying to charm me and they treats me as a king. (This is just to get me to spend money on them of course, but if we ignore that, these girls are basically making me feel really good about myself)  Then it hit me: going to a strip club as a guy must be like going to a regular nightclub as a girl!  Because when a girl goes to a club all the guys will come up to her and treat her nice, and try to charm her.  Told my friends about this and they said their minds were blown as well, what do you think?  Edit: spelling

Heck, this is even stupid by normal Men’s Rights standards. It made me think of this line from Ruthless People.

Now, horqth could very well be a troll. His account is brand new, and, I mean, this is just amazingly dumb. But here’s the thing: his comments are being treated as if they are completely reasonable by the Men’s Rights subreddit. I noticed only a couple of mostly ignored comments out of more than 100 even raising the possiblity that he was a troll.

Not only has his post gotten dozens of upvotes, but in the comments there are numerous other Men’s Rights Redditors — not trolls — who’ve actually managed to outdo him in the sheer ridiculousness of their opinions. And they’re getting upvotes too.

Milessycamore seemed to suggest that horqth had understated the degree to which men were being victimized in both places, and more than 200 Redditors agreed:

milessycamore 162 points 1 day ago (212|50)  except the difference is that you, as a man... pay BOTH places...

Saxonjf thought it would be nice if more women would act like these strippers and make men feel “important special.”

saxonjf 8 points 1 day ago (10|2)  Great analogy. I've never been to a strip club (and have no intention), but it wouldn't hurt women to realize that making a man feel important special will help the relationship.  We've grown up in an era where denigrating men is fashionable, and women don't realize that building us up, rather than tearing us down, will make a huge difference in our relationships.

Itchybrain, putting his economist hat on, suggested that the root of the problem was the massive over-valuation of women:

itchybrain 27 points 1 day ago (36|9)  Very true. Most guys minds would explode if they got the attention the average looking girl gets. I think Marc Rudov said that for a guy to get the kind of attention the average girl gets he would have to be a millionaire. It just shows you how over valued women are sexually and how under valued men are.

So how did the ladies get so overvalued in the first place? Blame the government and all that darn welfare. Responding to one contrarian Men’s Righster who suggested — get this! — that women are appropriately valued — FloranHunter laid down this truth bomb, by which I mean a bunch of complete and utter crap:

FloranHunter 7 points 17 hours ago (8|1)  Not exactly.  The government MASSIVELY subsidizes women, especially single mothers. They still can't get everything they want or possibly need with it but women no longer need a man to survive. This causes a corresponding massive devaluation of unattractive but socially useful (aka has an ok or better job) men. In the past, women needed men or they starved or were vulnerable to violence. This is no longer the case.

If only we could return to the good old days, when women would starve unless they were super nice to unattractive dudes who pestered them in bars!

Lawtonfogle also has no problem with the idea of men being valued for their money; he just wants to get more bang(s) for the buck.

Lawtonfogle 10 points 1 day ago (12|2)  Government intervention in the means of social support programs that result in a woman having far more bargaining power in relationship dynamics. If it weren't for laws that provided support for children and forced fathers to pay for children (even when they aren't the biological father), it would be a very different issue. Men would still be valued for their money and women for their attractiveness, but money would hold more value and being a male willing to commit would also hold (more) value.      permalink     source     parent     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]IOIOOIIOIO 5 points 23 hours ago (7|2)  Effective male contraception is going to be amazing.

I give up.

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CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

David Futrelle

The peeps in that photo, I think they’re Beta Male MRAs! LOL!

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: David

Why are those guys out riding bikes in 120 degree weather?

Enh, if my family did it in Texas in 110 degree weather, it seems plausible enough for me. Exercise won’t do itself. (Note that I didn’t realize heat stroke was actually a thing for serious concern until I moved up north. My blood probably would’ve floated on oil, it was so thin.)

RE: hookerwithaheartofmuscle

Love your screename. And ewwww, what is it with assholes who refuse to use condoms? Are they just so insulated that they seriously think they’re impervious to STDs or something? That nothing could possibly happen? I just don’t understand how adults can live with that attitude.

vaiyt
10 years ago

The government MASSIVELY subsidizes women, especially single mothers.

I still don’t understand why so many asshat groups feel this need to shit further and further on single mothers.

Rilian
Rilian
10 years ago

They think a society where a man without a woman has to masturbate and a woman without a man has to starve or be murdered is fair!???

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Of course not, Rilian. No man should have to masturbate at all!

nilvoid
nilvoid
10 years ago

“The government MASSIVELY subsidizes women, especially single mothers.”

We have a welfare system that threatens loss of benefits if recipients can’t find a job fast enough, that takes away (or heavily reduces) benefits if recipients earn too much (basically any pay slightly better than your average low-wage job), and in which caseworkers are fine with dumping recipients into any low-wage job they can find regardless of whether it has any chance of raising the recipient out of poverty (or just harassing and penalizing the recipients until they take themselves off the welfare case-rolls). This is in addition to having varyingly low standards of what constitutes adequate or safe childcare for facilities that accept vouchers, meaning that single mothers on welfare have no way to guarantee the safety or proper development of their children while they work to keep their benefits. Let’s not also forget that single mothers are huge targets for stigma, much of which comes from their own places of employment. Women in America are essentially penalized for having children while not being married, and this asshole has the audacity act like being a single mother is a trouble-free meal ticket? Like it’s a privilege? Get fucked.

Oh, and married couples are also subsidized, or did you conveniently forget that, you trash golem?

Bina
10 years ago

Funny, but the last time I was in a nightclub “as a girl”, I was largely ignored. Nobody came up to me offering to dance for my $20 bills.

I feel cheated.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

A male friend did give me a lapdance at a bar once, but he was drunk and we worked together.

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
10 years ago

Calum Morrison, your comments were awesome.

I kind of actually want these guys to transform into an attractive woman for a day, Disney style, and experience the “utopia” for themselves.

And then the next day I’d like to see them transformed into unattractive women. If they’re lucky, they’ll be ignored. If they’re not, they’ll receive the other side of all that unwanted attention.

To MRAs, “women” means “cute young woman who won’t fuck me, WAAAH!” Any woman not in that class is invisible, or not worthy of human consideration (what with us being valuable only for our beauty) (IT’S SCIENCE!)

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@scott1139

dlouwe said: “It always disappoints me a bit when I see terms like “stupid” or “idiot” or “moron” used on this blog as insults. If, for instance, “r**ard” is not allowed, why allow synonyms of it?”

I didn’t think anyone perceived those words as slurs. I imagine “dumbass” or “asshat” would work fine in place of them, though.

Eh. I’ve seen people object to them before :/ Don’t see the problem with replacing them. I have a link on ‘idiot’ here though I’ll just try quote some of the article.

This is another word which is commonly used to denote low intelligence, and it’s also a word which many people are unaware is ableist in nature. […]

In the 1800s, “idiot” acquired a new nuance, as it started to be used as a diagnostic term in reference to people with severe developmental delays. An “idiot” medically speaking was someone with a “mental age level” of less than three years, or an IQ under 30. It was, quite literally, a diagnosis of mental inferiority, as decided by the medical community. I would like to point out, for the record, that people with this diagnosis were subjected to indignities like institutionalization and forcible sterilization, with no less a figure than Oliver Wendell Holmes once saying “three generations of idiots is enough” when defending the forcible sterilization of Carrie Buck in Buck v. Bell in 1927.

And before you leap to say “well, that’s old,” I would like to point out that the word “idiot” was used in a diagnostic and medical context in my home state of California as recently as 2007, when the penal code was finally amended to remove this word from the law books. This illustrates that “idiot” had a dual and widely accepted usage through the 19th and much of the 20th century; laypeople used it to refer to anyone they believed was lacking intelligence, while members of the medical community used it as a diagnostic term.

[…]Many of the ableist words which reference “inferior intelligence” are actually used in settings when people want to say that someone is being thoughtless, reckless, irresponsible, or rude. So, those are all good words to use as alternatives to “idiot.” One of the things about exploring ableist language is that it forces us to think about the actual meaning of a sentence; when you find yourself wanting to refer to someone as an “idiot” or something as “idiotic,” pause and think about the meaning of what you are trying to say.

Aaannnddd I think I quoted more of that than I meant to… :/

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I would love to see some of her citations.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@hellkell

I have no idea who you’re talking about…

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I mean in the post you quoted.

I’m not really down with what seems like knee-jerk tumblr style activism.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@hellkell

“knee-jerk tumbr style activism”? What. The. Everloving. Fuck?

And I know it’s not the most reliable source, but even a quick check on the frickin wikipedia page seems to agree.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

*as in, agree with what she said. Ffs.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I mean words do change over time, everyone’s mileage may vary, but this nit-pickery drives me up the wall.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

That said, if there was a community consensus about not using the word, I’d just…not use the word.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Ditto, hellkell, but I’ve yet to see that consensus.

This is pushing my “gods don’t let us turn into Feministe where idiot gets redacted as an ableist slur” buttons, I admit, but that’s me. It’d be an irritant but not a hill to die on.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

um, ok, I’m not really seeing why there’s the huge desire to keep using it. Like, seriously?

Fade
10 years ago

*shrug*

whenever I see non-disabled people talking about what’s being an ableist slur, I get kind of uncomfortable feeling. Tho I have said before, that it’d also be weird for me to argue it b/c it doesn’t really affect me either, and if there is a manboobzer who it affects (i.e. someone who it’s used against), then their opinion should probably matter more

On the other hand, we are probably never going to come to a consensus just b/c people are different.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Because it’s a general insult for people who trot out stupidity all the time, and because it’s long since passed into a broader usage than something like r*t*rd.

Is it worse than dumbass or chucklefuck or fuckwit? They’re saying the same thing. (Not snarking there, btw.)

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@kittehs

Yeah, but the problem isn’t actually people being stupid, it’s them being willfully ignorant, or hateful jerks, or whatever. It doesn’t have anything to do with intelligence.

And…idk I feel weird on this, since it doesn’t affect me. But I have seen people who it does affect say they don’t like it, and I don’t see the reason to keep using it if it’s hurtful to them.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

This is pushing my “gods don’t let us turn into Feministe where idiot gets redacted as an ableist slur” buttons, I admit, but that’s me. It’d be an irritant but not a hill to die on.

It’s not just you. It just feels really reflexive to me…like, “this word is bad, so this one must be too” without a whole lot of thought behind it. If that make sense, because I’m still working out why it irritates me.

Fade: we have come to a consensus here about slurs for the mentally ill, so it could theoretically be done.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@hellkell

though I really want to know why you think people are saying “this word is bad, so that one must be too” without any/ much behind it. I mean, idk, just where are you getting that it’s just a reaction, if that makes sense?

kittehserf
10 years ago

Yeah, but the problem isn’t actually people being stupid, it’s them being willfully ignorant, or hateful jerks, or whatever. It doesn’t have anything to do with intelligence.

Isn’t that exactly how stupid is used now?