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How to get upvotes on The Spearhead: Violent rape fantasy edition

So I found this lovely little shoutout in the comments to an inane post by W.F. Price on The Spearhead last week.

Let me just preface it with a big TRIGGER WARNING for its violent rape fantasy.

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geographybeefinalisthimself February 12, 2014 at 13:02      “Is there any amount of androsphere content that Manboobz Futrelle can read, that will make him switch sides? No.”      A conservative is normally a liberal who has been mugged by reality. Futrelle would have to get ass-raped by reality so many times that he loses bowel control and contracts HIV and multiple incurable STDs before he would realize that feminism has zero benefit for men. Even after getting that badly burned, every single man will think, if he can come to his senses now, he could have come to his senses decades earlier.     Like or Dislike: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

Ten upvotes. No downvotes.

I guess that’s technically a rape metaphor, but it’s the most graphic rape metaphor I’ve run across in a long time.

If you ever find yourself wondering why the so-called Men’s Rights movement has never done, as far as I can tell, a single fucking thing for male victims of rape — other than rant about it online in an attempt to one-up feminists — I think this comment suggests one highly plausible explanation: because many if not most MRAs don’t actually feel empathy for the vast majority of male rape victims, who are, after all, men in prison raped by other men. They see rape as an appropriate punishment for men they don’t like, and many actually relish the thought of certain men being raped.

Indeed, even the self-described “men’s human rights activists” at A Voice for Men think that rape jokes about men they don’t like are hilarious.

I mean, it goes without saying that MRAs generally have little or no empathy for women who are raped, and indulge in rape jokes about women all the fucking time, but you’d think they’d do a better job of at least pretending to care about raped men.

If you’re interested in an organization that actually does care about victims of rape and other forms of sexual abuse in prison — regardless of the gender of the victim  — you may want to check out Just Detention International.

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Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@weirdwoodtreehugger

It’s no longer acceptable to say “that’s gay” as an insult and rightfully so. it’s a good thing that homophobia is taken seriously and is becoming unacceptable*. It makes me angry sometimes that sexism is still completely normalized and accepted. There’s still plenty of homophobia and racism out there, but at least they’re recognized as bad things. Sexism seems to be regarded as a feature not a bug in our culture.
*I’m not in any way trying to downplay or deny any homophobia that people have experienced.

Eh. I think it’s still considered pretty fucking acceptable. (and it’s was referring to homophobia, I missed the racism part) And eerrrr yeah, both are definelty still a problem where I live (america) so…idk just pretty suspicious.

@fade

I would be weary about comparing axises of oppression, especially if you haven’t experienced one of them. Every problem looks littler when it doesn’t affect you.

QFT

@weirdwoodtreehugger

It just very much feels like the progress of feminism is very much stalled compared to some of the other fronts and it gets frustrating when even people who identify as liberals roll their eyes when we speak of sexism.

Eh. I get feeling frustrated with it. But I still hold that it’s easier to ignore oppressions you don’t face. (though I don’t actually which ones you do face, so this is more generally speaking.)

I do live in a progressive area that’s very LGBTQ friendly, so it’s a good point that it probably colors my perceptions.

::is jelly:: Tho I just figured out it’s legal to fire people b/c they’re gay* in my state, so that’s probably affecting my perceptions, too.

*I’m assuming if they’re bi, too, and it’s just a ‘if same sex relationship’ but I don’t know the exact law. And LBT already hit on it being legal to be fired if your trans*. (well, he already hit the legal to be hired if you’re gay, but 1) I typed this before I saw that and 2) suspected it was legal to fire ppl for being trans*, but didn’t know for sure.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

meistergedanken February 12, 2014 at 11:48

I think we ought to find out exactly which men work for these feminist sites, and encourage them to be do the right thing and find another place to work.

I like the assumption that David somehow works for *us*

Well, he does provide us a valuable service insofar as heads-ups, sifting through reams of masculist reactionary garbage, and comic relief dredged out of shit that would otherwise be simply infuriating. But I think what the asshat was suggesting is that he’s in the employ of some nefarious, faceless Feminist Terrorist Conspiracy™. What a pity (for him) that there isn’t any.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: fromafar2013

Goddamn, you sound like one of my best friends, and I feel for you, I really do.

Heh, wonder if you’re someone I know offline? It’s not impossible, I knew inurashii offline before knowing he came here. If it helps any, I am generally happy and kicking ass? Just nontraditionally?

RE: Marie

Yeah, I’m from Texas originally. That’s the place where trans marriage happened at first because they stomped same-sex marriage down so hard, they were one of the few states to define EXACTLY what it means to be a man or a woman, and trans folks took advantage of it.

Then I think they changed the rule so even that doesn’t work anymore. Freakin’ Texas.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Freakin’ Texas.

It’s a lot better knowing we only have a few more months here. That improved the place immensely.

kittehserf
6 years ago

I hear “that’s so gay” all the fucking time in public – and always from teenagers.

La Strega
6 years ago

It’s so disturbing to contemplate that these creeps walk, unidentified, amongst us. Even though I know that the violence they espouse is in inverse proportion to their courage.

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@kittehs

I wonder if it’s one of those things people get better with with age. It used to be common in my highschool, and I know I used to do it (/shame) but now that I’m around highschool kids less, I hear it much less. /rambles.

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@auggz

Like….but why do they tag transgender/transphobia on their posts? I mean, I’m just trying to find the logic behind it, but I just can’t. :/

Also, is this a tumblr thing? Cuz I know Fade usually blocks people who post shitty things often in tags she likes checking, if that’d help.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

And I hear the N-word a lot, not “ironically” either…right here in good ol’ multi-culti Canada. (And a shocking amount of other shades of racism, too.)

But yeah…sexism and misogyny ARE normalized to an appalling degree. So too are racism and LGBT-phobia. Which one you “see” the most tends to depend on which one you happen to be the most. But we can all sharpen our senses for the odious ‘isms that don’t apply to us in particular, and fight against all bigotries at the same time, because they all come from the same place in the psyche. I’m white, cisgendered and heterosexual, and I have friends who are not. They’re the reason I started paying attention and fighting battles that, technically speaking, aren’t “mine”. I made the mental connection between the bigotries thanks to them. Social justice isn’t a single prong, it’s a fork. It works best when all the tines are lined up together.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Marie, I always feel like saying “You’re young enough to know better” to kids saying that sort of shit. I hope they will grow out of it.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Marie

Like….but why do they tag transgender/transphobia on their posts? I mean, I’m just trying to find the logic behind it, but I just can’t. :/

Because they’re dumb, I figure. My husband was dismayed to find some Bible-thumping homophobe bullshit while looking for porn. Gee, I wonder where that nice fundy boy learned what all those porny terms were when he used them as tumblr tags… gone docking lately, buddy?

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

I think we ought to find out exactly which men work for these feminist sites, and encourage them to be do the right thing and find another place to work.

Actually, this was part of a bigger, stupider discussion on how to combat feminism, based on these key points.
1) Feminist sites are run poorly and/or more open to hacking because women run them.
2) While women may run and write for these sites, they must rely on male programmers because there are almost no female programmers.
3) If MRAs explain misandry and the evils of feminism to those male programmers, they would quit in solidarity and then feminist sites would cease to exist because an all-female staff is too incompetent to run a website.
4) Feminism is defeated worldwide.

I couldn’t make this shit up even if I tried.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

gone docking lately, buddy?

Oh heyyyy…I just learned something new today.

Also, fundies stoooooopid. (As is anyone else just randomly trolling for maximum eyeballs on Tumblr.)

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I hope everyone can accept my apology. It won’t happen again and it isn’t representative. I don’t know what happened other than waking up in a cranky wintery asshole funk and having the poor sense to try and communicate with others before the coffee hit my bloodstream.

I hope I’m not persona non grata now because it has been great participating around here so far.

Here’s a healing basket of kitties.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

1) Feminist sites are run poorly and/or more open to hacking because women run them.
2) While women may run and write for these sites, they must rely on male programmers because there are almost no female programmers.
3) If MRAs explain misandry and the evils of feminism to those male programmers, they would quit in solidarity and then feminist sites would cease to exist because an all-female staff is too incompetent to run a website.
4) Feminism is defeated worldwide.

Oh, teh lulz. Men already do dominate programming, yes, but most couldn’t care less about imaginary misandry. They’re too busy trying to do their jobs…when they’re not busy trying to troll all the pesky invasive spoilsport women out of their gaming forums.

Also, female programmers exist. The original computer programmers were overwhelmingly female, thanks to wars (also, dang that Ada Lovelace). And female programmers are growing in number, thanks to feminism.

But thanks for the chuckles, chuckleheads. Good luck with your “revolution”…>snurk<

kittehserf
6 years ago

We all put our foot in it sometime or another, weirwoodtreehugger – apology accepted from me, definitely! 🙂

Also, kitties!

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@weirdwoodtreehugger

We accept your apology :3 (at least I’m pretty sure most ppl do, I know I do). I mean, people fuck up sometimes, most of the problem comes from when they double down and refuse to admit it, I think.

Whatever. I’m rambly.

@bina

Also, female programmers exist. The original computer programmers were overwhelmingly female, thanks to wars (also, dang that Ada Lovelace). And female programmers are growing in number, thanks to feminism.

Ack, women used to be programers? Buttttt miisssaaannnddrrrryyyy!!!elven

/sugar rush.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Weirwood, I was never offended…I grokked what you were trying to say, just that it came out a bit wonky. That happens to me all the time. Luckily, folks here tend to catch you when you slip.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

Lol, I’m a female programmer for a large university. It’s in my freaking job title. Chucklefucks indeed. I wonder how many of the basement dwellers that think like that know the first fucking thing about programming -_-;

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

The dudes who think that female programmers don’t exist must not have ever worked in the tech field, because if they had they’d have been bound to encounter one at some point. Someone who states that there are no women in STEM is basically making it clear that they have no experience in that field, so why should anyone care what they have to say about it?

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Yeah, it’s okay weirwoodtreehugger. Just learn from it and don’t let it happen again. Kittens accepted!

Fade
Fade
6 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger

just to clarify, I was never like, mad or anything. I was just kind of annoyed. And the apology is very much accepted, as is the basket of kittens. XD

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Thanks all!

moldybrehd
6 years ago

And I hear the N-word a lot, not “ironically” either…right here in good ol’ multi-culti Canada.(And a shocking amount of other shades of racism, too.)

I run into that in my part of Canada too, though the N-word is rarely used for actual black people (actual black people are rare enough here that they get fetishized instead.) 🙁

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Uganda apparently just passed that law that would make homosexuality a crime punishable with life in prison. American right wing evangelicals were partially responsible for the law. I think they should get their US citizenship revoked.
Yes, the 1st amendment gives people the right to have shitty bigoted opinions but this is in the realm of serious human rights violation. It’s way past simply expressing beliefs.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

These are the same evangelical assholes responsible for getting parents to abandon and/or attempt to kill their children because the kids are “witches”, right?

kittehserf
6 years ago

Not to mention that they’re pushing their goddamn agenda on another country.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Well then. I hope the next time some fundie preacher gets caught with a shitload of meth and a hustler, he’s put on the next flight to Uganda.

Xanthë
6 years ago

auggziliary,

They certainly have been a target of mockery for some considerable time – in my childhood I had a tape of Goon Show sketches where the late Peter Sellers dismantled the Flat Earth Society into very small pieces: Sellers mocks them as rather religiose Puritans who have been kept in ignorance by deliberate choice, as they seek to ban a whole lot of things like sport (as it involves playing with objects that are spherical) and to cover up women’s nudity or suggestive clothing (again involving a horror of body parts, quasi-spherical), and who make ludicrous predictions of the impending destruction of the world which have been passed by ‘on four separate occasions’.

The movement seems to be based on some form of biblical literalism – the bible in numerous places (e.g. Revelation) talks about the ‘corners of the earth’, although a better translation in some cases might be ‘extremities’ rather than ‘corners’; at any rate they interpret that as referring to the earth as a flat circle (which some thinkers in BCE times thought or hypothesised was true), and then contrive to come up with explanations for why ships at sea should disappear over the horizon, or why the earth appears spherical when photographed from space.

These beliefs also possibly have some connections with the myth that everyone in ancient times thought the world was flat, when there was plenty of evidence for a spherical earth (e.g. eclipses) that was well-known, as well as direct experimental work by Erastothenes to measure the circumference of the earth.

At any rate, I think the main thing is that the movement is grounded in appalling standards of education where honing the ability of people to use their brains has been completely discouraged from day one.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

And they haven’t even produced anything as entertaining as the Creation Museum. Where’s the flat-earth equivalent of the dinosaur with a saddle on that visitors can ride? Disappointing.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Xanthe – ooh I know that Sellers sketch, it was Fuller’s Earth. He went into a complete rant cursing all things round. Priceless. Was it on Dark Side of the Goon?

House Mouse Queen
6 years ago

@WWTH
TIGLETS! I needed that badly. Thank u.

House Mouse Queen
6 years ago
Reply to  Bina

These guys? Would be lucky if they could find their butts with both hands and a flashlight.

I think you meant fleshlight.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I wonder how many of them have tried to return their fleshlight after discovering that they couldn’t use it as a fleshlight. Or the other way round.

This is why customer service people should really be paid better.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Or, you know, as a flashlight. I think I need some sleep.

House Mouse Queen
6 years ago

Do any of you remember John Hembling’s appearance on Canadian TV where he talked about the FBI redefining rape so it doesn’t include men?

I was just reading a 2013 FBI document that DOES redefine it to include males. Apparently it’s a new way of statistically counting rape.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Facts are misandry!

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

I’m always kinda fascinated and horrified by folks who seem to actively discourage any kind of curiosity and discovery. Like, I understand why it happens — ignorance is a great form of social control — but JEEZ.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

It’s a pity ignorance* isn’t a natural birth control. 🙁

* I mean willfully choosing to be ignorant, not people who are “ignorant” due to a lack of education, most often not due to anything they’ve done, but due to factors like poverty. Those people could be termed “under-formally-educated” as in “under-employed”, so not pejorative.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Uganda apparently just passed that law that would make homosexuality a crime punishable with life in prison. American right wing evangelicals were partially responsible for the law. I think they should get their US citizenship revoked.
Yes, the 1st amendment gives people the right to have shitty bigoted opinions but this is in the realm of serious human rights violation. It’s way past simply expressing beliefs.

It certainly violates the church/state separation, as well as being imperialistic as all hell. Speaking of which…if that place only WERE real, these dudes deserve to burn there.

Fundie preachers really do get away with murder, and not just in Africa.

I think you meant fleshlight.

They certainly seem dumb enough to try that. Even though Fleshlights are made to serve the purpose of a socket, not a plug…

Mnemosyne
Mnemosyne
6 years ago

@House Mouse Queen:

MRA seem to think FBI “demonizes men,” particularly those MRAs whose definition of masculinity includes “violent, antisocial behavior.” This seems to be true for law enforcement in general, too.

As for Hembling, apparently he doesn’t read. It’s much easier for him to make it seem like men are being oppressed by the big, bad Government if he just makes stuff up.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

Cassandrakitty:

I wonder how many of them have tried to return their fleshlight after discovering that they couldn’t use it as a fleshlight. Or the other way round.

This is why customer service people should really be paid better.

This just sounds awesomely hilarious, as a whole.

“I bought this fleshlight that was also supposed to work as a fleshlight you can use as a fleshlight, but it didn’t work as a fleshlight and I couldn’t use it as a fleshlight either. And it didn’t even include batteries!”

*customer service facepalm*

Xanthë
6 years ago

Kittehserf, yep that’s the one – I’d forgotten the name of the sketch, and it was on Dark Side of the Goon. It took me years to understand some bits of the rant where the Flat Earth Society character goes off the planet – pawnbrokers’ signs traditionally having three spheres, were amongst the things to be verboten; and of the many things that ‘Fuller’ had to complain about ‘the brides of Satan’ (i.e. women) some of the more confusing ones were their ‘fleshly lustre’ and ‘posturings and mincing gait’. At the age of nine or ten that made absolute zero sense whatsoever to me.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Wait, you mean the Flat Earth Society really does exist? I thought it was a joke!

…I am sad now.

kittehserf
6 years ago

LBT, yup, I’m afraid it’s real:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

Samantha
Samantha
6 years ago

David, that was among the most hideous of rape fantasies I have ever had the misfortune to read. I think that the men who write these are actually wanting to do those things to other men, as well as women.

I am really sad that you were targeted like that.

Evil. Unspeakable and complete evil.