So the other day, in writing about the shutdown of MGTOWforums.com, I quoted a rather ironic comment from Men’s “Human Rights” Activist Paul Elam about the site, which he denounced as a hive of “self-consuming bitterness” that was essentially
one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Nacho Vidal’s standards.
The irony, of course, was that if you replaced “Nacho Vidal’s” name with Elams’s, his statement was in fact also a perfect description of his own site, A Voice for Men.
But I didn’t really have the space to properly document just how pervasive “‘cunts and whores’ diatribes” are on AVFM. So today I’d like to start that process, by looking at some selected examples of times in which contributors to AVFM — not commenters, but actual article writers and in some cases staff members — resorted to the c-word to make their points, whatever the hell those happened to be.
The c-word is remarkably popular on AVFM; going through the site’s archives, I found more than three dozen posts in which it appeared, sometimes by itself, and sometimes as part of a clever new portmanteau word. In one recent post, for example, Diana Davison and John Hembling declared Canada to be “a first world cuntry.” In another post, alimony became “cuntimony.”
But generally, the word appears in its natural state. While there are a few instances in which the word doesn’t reflect badly on the author — it’s found in a quotation from someone else, for example — it’s generally used straightforwardly as a slur; there’s nothing ironic or “satirical” in its usage. Some of the time it’s directed at specific women; other times at feminists. But it’s often directed at women in general.
The writer most fond of the term, ironically enough, is a woman, Diana Davison, who seems to slip the word into pretty much every post she can figure out how to. Probably her most impressive achievement, at least in terms of c-word usage, is a post titled “It’s a Woman Problem,” which starts out with this little zinger:
Women are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious cunts.
Lovely. Later in the post, she informs us that
Men are objects to women by which they gain social status and it is not something men have orchestrated, it is just an easy and convenient measure on “the scale of cunthood.”
In the end, she concludes:
All evidence indicates that Women’s Studies from early childhood education is a great idea. They just need to change the focus from women whining about their victimhood to women learning about how they victimize each other and teaching them to stop being cunts.
In other posts, she derides feminists as “lying, hypocritical cunts,” denounces Betty Friedan as both a “a complete cunt” and a “narcissistic twat,” and declares New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd to be “either lazy, sloppy, dishonest, or a genuine cunt” if not all of these things.
Another A Voice for Men contributor fond of the c-word is August Løvenskiolds. In one melodramatic tirade, he declared:
Women, through their sexual and reproductive capabilities, have always had a vast amount of power and influence over men, but this power cloaks itself in denials and subtleties in order to preserve itself. Cunt-power is cunning but every now and then, it peeks through the veil to expose a fetid maw of endless hunger and hatred.
In a “lighter” piece mocking those concerned about sexual harassment in the tech world he made a joke about how “C++ means “Cunt plus Oral plus Anal”, a brutal evaluation of women’s utility in programming.”
“Cunt” isn’t the only vagina-related insult favored by the writers of AVFM. “Twat” is also popular, particularly with Diana Davison. Paul Elam and Dr. Tara J. Palmatier both apparently think it’s hilarious to call Twitter “Twatter.”
Of course the person who sets the tone for AVFM is Elam, and he’s not exactly shy about using the c-word himself. In one notorious post he now insists was partially “satire,” he wrote:
[W]omen are often excused from killing someone whom they allege has abused them. They can shoot them in their sleep and walk. Happens all the time. It’ll even get you a spot on Oprah, and cuntists across the cunt-o-sphere will be lionizing you.
And he’s fond of using the term to describe specific women he dislikes. In one post, he declared actress Katherine Heigl a “misandric cunt;” in another he denounced Good Men Project Publisher and CEO Lisa Hickey as a “disingenuous cunt that makes her living off trying to turn men into lap dogs.”
Elam is well aware that this sort of language offends people and can even alienate many MRAs. But he has regularly defended it on the grounds of, well, I’ll let you try to figure out what he’s saying in this long, profanity laden screed (which, yes, does include the word “cunt”).
But I think my favorite Elam screed involving the c-word has to be the mouth-foamingly angry rant he wrote responding to a Jezebel piece on … a Summer’s Eve commercial featuring Cleopatra. It’s pretty unhinged, even by his standards; you may wish to go read the whole thing.
But here are some excerpts, in which he lectures the Jezebel writer about her proper place in the universe:
See, cupcake, you are not a goddess or any other kind of deity. You are just a woman, and that smooth spot between your legs? Just a pussy.
As for being the center of civilization; sorry, that spot is still reserved in the real world for those who built it. That would be men. …
The expectation that you are something more than human generally tends to indicate that you are actually something less.
Imagine a world in which you are just another person and not so easily offended by the sales of pussy soap. Fewer people would have to suffer your droning like a pipe organ about the fact that some advertiser acknowledged that Cleopatra had a cunt …
Pussy is power. Always has been. Just like the commercial said, men have fought and died for it. And much, much more. The truth about pussy power eviscerates every lie about female powerlessness ever pawned off by feminists on a culture so afraid of that power that it would not even call them on the lies.
So, yeah, Paul: “cunt diatribes,” your site has them. And you write some of angriest of the bunch.
I’ll cover AVFM’s use of the word “whore” in another post.
You know, if I was going to come up with a word to describe the vagina, “smooth” wouldn’t be it. Presumably Elam has encountered one in the wild at some point, so I’m baffled as to how he came up with “smooth” as a descriptor. Does he think Jezebel is literally written by Barbies?
Damn you, comment ninjas.
Careful, Diana dear…because “our culture”, in your case, means the MR(B)M. And given the way you talk about women in there, I’d have to say you’re describing yourself awfully well.
How’s that internalized misogyny hanging, by the way?
Which women are you talking about? And which men? Because where I come from, men and women are both just people.
Diana, dear, charity begins at home. How ’bout you just stop being one of Those Women to the rest of us, yourself? Because when you talk like that about your own sex, guess who you’re victimizing with your sneery, toxic ignorance.
August, August, August…you’ve never actually SEEN one, have you? Because they don’t have nearly that much power. And they’re not “fetid” unless infected with something that really should get treated.
Really? Then why is it that every time a battered woman kills a man in self-defence, she gets put on a nasty trial, and even goes to jail? And why is she often not believed? The ones who make it to Oprah are the rare birds who manage to persuade under exceptional circumstances, Paul, you motherfucking dolt.
Yo, asshole, I am NOT your fucking cupcake. And the last time I looked, my vulva was not some blank “smooth spot” like you’d find on a mannequin, it was anatomically correct. Complete with folds and pubes and a clit and everything. Have you never seen one? Because the way you talk about them is laughably embarrassing and stupid.
Newsflash: Men did not build the world. It pre-dates them by billions of years.
Also, like it or not, you came into this world via a vagina. It would behoove you to realize that your cock is not the centre of the universe, either.
Dafuq you talkin’ ’bout, Paul? All we want is to be fully human. Not more, and certainly not the odious category of “less”, which you “human rights activitsts” have so thoughtfully assigned us.
WTF is “pussy soap”? I wash my ladybits with regular soap. (Manly, yes, but we like it too!)
It is? It has been? Funny, I’ve never had the opportunity to use mine. I must therefore conclude that, as usual, Elam is talking out his ass here. Every man who’s ever whined about “pussy power” is actually laying a guilt trip in order to get some power over a woman’s womanbits, and is pissed as hell that it isn’t working.
OT (except I followed one link above, then another, then I was down the icky MRA rabbit hole) I find this recent snippet from a post by JudgyB*tch to be rather amusing:
The lack of self-awareness is stunning.
::snortlol::
Diana must be gunning for Queen Bee of the FeMRA hive. She fits in with the other shitstains, I guess.
Paul, make up your mind–vagina has all the power or none, you can’t choose both. Damn, he is so fucking clueless.
I like his naming of the author of the hated Jezebel post: “Dodai Stewart (don’t ask me to pronounce that first name, or remember the last)”.
He goes on to refer to Dodai Stewart as “whatshername” for the rest of the post.
Journalism at its finest. Paul, dearest, you don’t have to pronounce the name, because it’s in writing. And you don’t have to remember it, because you’re typing on a computer and can go look at it whenever you want.
Oh please, let’s not pretend that Elam would have been all “can’t pronounce her name” if she was white. He may choose to share his misogyny with the internet more often than he shares his racism, but the racism is never very far under the surface.
“…that smooth spot between your legs? Just a pussy.”
I think the last time I thought that area was smooth was before I saw a woman naked. Even if it’s shaved, how does someone look at female genitals and think “Yup, nothing going on there.”
So… MRAs think Barbie is anatomically correct. This does not surprise me somehow.
it peeks through the veil to expose a fetid maw of endless hunger and hatred.
Oh god, I’m sorry, I just… I keep PICTURING this like a B horror flick and OH GOD I AM DYING.
RE: auggziliary
Who is the best MRA writer?
FIDELBOGEN! I nominate fidelbogen! 😀
RE: Kittehs
Dammit, you beat me to it.
<blockquote<Cunt shall now hence forth be used to describe something that required much bravery and/or courage. For example: “Para sailing off of that cliff sure took some cunt!” or “What do you mean you’re nervous about presenting your doctoral dissertation in front of the board!? Grow a cunt!”
Fromafar,
This is for you.
Lol so have they gone from teenage girls to preteen girls now? Not sure why else he thinks our genitals are smooth. Mine certainly aren’t. I rock the 70s look and I like it. It’s cute.
Doing my part to keep the blockquote monster fat and sassy!
Does all this “smooth” nonsense mean they’ve never even encountered a blow-up doll?
Fidelbogen is definitely the most entertaining MRA writer.
Meanwhile, I’m finding the whole “fetid maw” thing hilarious. Just think, if there’s ever an MRA event that draws more than 15 people some random woman can shut it down just by threatening to expose her terrifying vagina. Doesn’t even have to be a feminist, someone could fall off her bike while wearing a skirt and they’d all be going “run for your life, we’re not sure if she’s wearing knickers!”.
Goddammit leatapp, that song is going to be stuck in my head FOREVER.
Did someone say knickers….
Cassandrakitty,
LOL! Who needs box cutters when your armed with the thing the MRAs fear most?
“Stand back, MRAs or I swear to not only show you ma bits, but also to unleash a mighty queef in your delicate presence! Tremble before the roar of my panty hamster, ye mortals and despair!”
I can’t help but imagine a Keystone Cops-esque falling over themselves as they flee in panic…..accompanied by the Benny Hill theme, of course.
Sorry, LBT.
That was so not pussy of me.
😉
side note: I did once hear a hippy dude refer to Portland favorably as being, “One big pussy of a town”. They should put that on the “Welcome” signs at the edge of town.
It’s late.
Let me destroy a bit of Disney for you.
—
Look at that rage
isn’t it neat?
Wouldn’t you think that his manifesto’s complete?
Wouldn’t think you he’s the guy
The guy who rages at everything?
Look at that site
Misogyny untold
How much stunted perspective can one cavern hold?
Looking around there you think
Sure, they froth at everything
They’ve got cunts and whores a-plenty
They’ve got feminazis and matriarchs galore
You want female privilege?
They’ll cite twenty
But who cares
No big deal
They rage more
I wanna be where the screaming is
I wanna see, wanna see them raging
Typing so hard on those – what do you call them?
Oh – dead horses
Talking your points, you don’t get so far
Anger is required for pontificating, mastursplaining
Strolling along down a – what’s that word again?
BEEAAAAAACHHHHH
Over there where they rage, over there where they roam
Over there they spend all day on the for-um
Hatred so free – I wish I could be
So full of misogynyyyyy
What would I give if I could destroy part of my empathy?
What would I pay to slay my human decency?
Bet’cha on aVfM they’d kill my agency
Bet they don’t hide their contempt
Dim old men sick of wimmin’
Ready to raaaaageeee
I’m ready to know what the mra’s know
Ask ‘em my questions and get some answers
What’s a hypergamy and why does it – what’s that word
destroy civilization?
When’s it my turn?
Wouldn’t I love, love to explore that world up above?
Out of the sea
Wish I could be
Part of that world
Wish I could see
Why they haven’t gone their own way yet…
I’m opening my fetid maw wide and coming for you, misters!
Meanwhile…
Somehow they only remember the constructive things men have done, without ever mentioning the destructive stuff.
Anyway, it boggles my mind that anyone would want to exclude half of humanity — historically and currently — from tackling all the serious problems we face. But I guess that’s because I don’t despise people based on their gender, their race, etc.
Fibinachi, I’m going to be humming that all night!
*golf claps for Fibinachi’s grand filking*
Thank you, Fibinachi! That was (just for FromAfar) super twat.