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MGTOWforums goes away — or does it?

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A bit of drama in the land of misogyny: The guy behind MGTOWforums.com, the leading site devoted to so-called Men Going Their Own Way and one of the most reliable purveyors of highly mockable misogyny, has decided to, well, go his own way. (Sorry, I had to.)

Last night, MGTOWforums founder “Nacho Vidal” (not the real porn star) took the forums down, replacing them with a rather embittered farewell letter. But as of a few minutes ago, the forums were BACK UP again, albeit with no explanation and no new posts since last night. (Perhaps the site is just going to remain up as an archive?)

More on this as it develops, but in the meantime, let’s take a look at Nacho Vidal’s long goodbye:

For 3 years I’ve worked to build up MGTOW Forums into a force to be reckoned with, but alas it has failed. It has failed because of the very reasons which brought down the previous MGTOW board: inexperienced idiots who were angry at not being able to get laid – betas, zetas, red pills and the rest of the rubbish.

Oh, we’re off to a good start here.

Vidal explained that he was angry not just at the “fools … psychos [and] incels … who vocally supported other places, that I won’t mention” but at the “so called supporters” on his own forums who

found it just fine for our competitors to constantly attack us whilst they themselves used rhetoric such as “we’re all in it together” and “we’re all after the same thing” when clearly we were not.

I assume that one of the “other places” he’s talking about here is A Voice for Men, which has recently tried to brand itself as a site for MGTOWers, and has not been shy about trashing other MGTOW sites. He probably also meant PUAhate, a site that attacks MGTOWers as well as PUAs, but unfortunately in some pretty misogynistic ways.

As someone who has always stood up against bullies, I thought my own energy to go head to head with such people would be appreciated. But instead I found myself surrounded by fools who were more concerned with likening our way of life to a fantasy sci-fi flick? The same fools then wondered why folk like Manboobz, who was more friendly to us than our enemies, constantly mocked them?

Aw, a little shoutout. In my defense, I wasn’t really trying to be friendly. I was just doing my normal thing of quoting people saying terrible things and mostly letting their terrible quotes do the talking.

Well today is MGTOW Forum’s 3rd birthday and quite frankly the vast majority of you deserve what’s out there. For me, things have got to the point where I recognise there is no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world. However, MGTOW seems to be a successful concept for incels and psychos so that is where I’m going to leave it.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure the reason that there’s “no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world” is that MGTOWers are pretty much all a bunch of hateful assholes, and that whenever “the wider world” hears what MGTOWers have to say, the “wider world” either gasps in disgusted amazement or bursts out laughing.

After thanking some of the MGTOWforums posters he actually liked, he continued with his rant:

When the curtain falls it is time to get off the stage and that is what I propose to do. I’ll leave you all to wallow in the Red Pill and Alpha/Beta/Zeta fantasy garbage which was our downfall. …

As of yesterday, our average daily traffic was in excess of 6,000 unique visits per day. So I was doing something right eh? Meh…very few of you were worth the effort.

Good luck and time for me to Go My Own Way

Adios and fuck off

The reaction from A Voice for Men — the site that would be king of the MGTOWers — has been predictable. In a gloating, self-aggrandizing post that may be the least-self-aware piece of writing I have ever seen on the internet, Elam snorts:

Good riddance.

Allow me to qualify. I am sure there were men who actually benefited from involvement in MGTOW Forums. There is great need for the MGTOW philosophy, which is powerful in these times, with comparatively few outlets. The truth, even when served up on a trash can lid by idiots, is a powerful thing.

But I never had the belief that MGTOW was really about what happened at MGTOW Forums, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Nacho Vidal’s standards.

Uh, Paul, dude. I hate to break it to you, but if you replace a few strategic words in that last paragraph, you’ve written a perfect description of your own site:

But I never had the belief that the Men’s Rights movement was really about what happened at A Voice for Men, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Paul Elam’s standards.

Here are some “cunts” diatribes from A Voice for Men, including one in which a regular contributor declared that “[w]omen are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious cunts.”  And here are some “whore” diatribes, including the one in which Elam himself used the word whore more than two dozen times). As for deeming some men “less than worthy,” you may recall Elam’s infamous post in which he told men who were suffering to “fuck off” if they hadn’t already donated money and/or volunteer labor to Elam and his website.

He continues:

I never thought, and I still don’t, that self-consuming bitterness was required to Go Your Own Way. Venting? Sure. And by god, MGTOW Forums was good for that. Problem is, venting without release or healing is not really venting.

Not a lot of healing going on at A Voice for Men, dude. Not a lot of anything other than angry ranting, endless fundraising, harassment campaigns, and a lot of self-congratulation.

Elam ends the post with a bit of the latter, patting himself on the back for his expert leadership at AVFM.

But his victory celebration may be a bit premature. At least three new MGTOW forums have sprung up overnight. like poisonous mushrooms, in an attempt to fill the void left by MGTOWforums’ demise.

MGTOW — The Red Pill

MGTOW.net forums

Men Going Their Own Way dot Net – Forums

And we’ll have to see if the old MGTOWforums remains up as well.

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grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

Asking what MGTOW really means is BS he doesn’t have time to refute, I see.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

Words, how the fuck do they work?

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Hasmat

Everytime Manboobz posts an article about us, we gain members. That’s how advertising works (for you Women’s studies majors). Go to ANY website that ranks internet sites by traffic. Look up the old forum and it’s exponential growth. I realize we might only grab a few guys from here, but that’s enough for now.

How do you KNOW these folks are coming to you by way of Manboobz? If you’re as big as you say you are, how can just a few guys be so easy to track? Why would they care about a place like Manboobz? Why is Manboobz so powerful that we apparently are able to control how many members you get? How do you know they’re not trolls trying to infiltrate you?

I’ve been working online for years, but when I get mocked, the traffic I get tends to be troll traffic, not paying traffic or a decent fanbase. I’m not sure WHERE this myth that traffic = success came from, but I wish it would just die already.

And seriously, Women’s Studies Major? That’s how you’re trying to insult me, by saying I was able to afford a college education? What next, you gonna call me a law student or someone well-beloved by his husband? I’m shakin’ in my sneakers.

I have sex with my girl often. But I don’t base my self worth on it.

Then why do we care? Why are you telling us this?

(Seriously, Boobzers, I’m going to have to change my handle to LBT Is A Man just to make things easier for all these dumbasses here.)

To all the others, I don’t have the time to refute your BS right now. The site is hopping, so I have work to do.

Suuuuure buddy. And I’ll bet the lurkers support you in email too.

Bostonian
Bostonian
6 years ago

LOL! If I did not think this Hasmat guy was a loser before, he confirmed it for all to see now!

” I’m totes busy, so let me come and promote my new cesspool of misogyny!” ” Also I totally have a girlfriend, which means I am completely going my own way!”

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

Asking what MGTOW really means is BS he doesn’t have time to refute, I see.

I mean, I can see the argument that “going your own way” means not centering your life around impressing or attracting women. I can even see how it would be useful to have a support system if you have been centering your self-worth on women’s approval of you and would like to find some other sources of self-love. But that has not, historically, been the approach MGTOW have taken, as they seem to prefer complaining about how terrible women are for not loving them. Or, as seen above, trolling feminist forums and using “women’s studies major” as a snarl term and generally being too busy being a dick to women to go their own damn way.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

*forgot my footnote about the heteronormativity of MGTOW as currently practiced. But I guess gay/MSM men wouldn’t be too butthurt about women not fucking them.

neuroticbeagle
6 years ago

Seriously, Boobzers, I’m going to have to change my handle to LBT Is A Man just to make things easier for all these dumbasses here.

Maybe you should make a gravatar of Mr. K; trolls misgender Kittehs frequently.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: neuroticbeagle

You kidding? If I could get this damn avatar thing to work, I’d have a bulldozer made of penises or something, or just a big rainbow and the words GAY MAN or something. But I have suffered critical WordPress fail, and so I am stuck with the green blotch.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Hazmat: You sure do suck at trash talking, gumdrop.

And, y’know, when you keep coming back here, dropping sad little turds in the comments, it’s almost like Manboobz got under your skin, or something.

And, if you’re in a long-term relationship, how exactly are you “going your own way?” I mean, being in a long-term relationship is, well, completely confirming to societal norms. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, if that your cup of tea, but you’re not really doing anything radically rebellious.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Maybe you should make a gravatar of Mr. K; trolls misgender Kittehs frequently.

LOL!

I see an underhanded attempt to get moar pics of Mr K here. 😉

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Wait, who is this loser who’s radiating insecurity and trying really hard to convince people not to notice it?

kittehserf
6 years ago

Someone who doesn’t read his own forums, apparently, with all those nonsense claims he just made.

LOL Hasmat, you think we “shame” without reading? We read what David quotes from you. This isn’t a difficult concept … except for misogynist lackwits, apparently.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

“I don’t care! Let me tell you just how much I don’t care and how much you’re serving me by trashing me! Let me tell you just how much I don’t care! I’m leaving and you might not see me again! NO REALLY I’M GOING MY OWN WAY NOW.”

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

It seems like I might be stuck having to put up a picture of my husband’s cock or something. THAT should do the job!

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Weird.

Men going their own way, and deciding not to rely on women in their lives to provide them with a sense of accomplishment organize into a forum to talk and tell stories about cool ways to do fun things.

Yet, here you are, Hasmat, saying:

Everytime Manboobz posts an article about us, we gain members. That’s how advertising works (for you Women’s studies majors). Go to ANY website that ranks internet sites by traffic. Look up the old forum and it’s exponential growth. I realize we might only grab a few guys from here, but that’s enough for now.

@Kitte I’ve been in a nice LTR for several years. I’m open about that. Some guys are married, some have other arrangements, some guys avoid them. MGTOW does not mean “no women”. It’s obvious you shame without reading the forums. I have sex with my girl often. But I don’t base my self worth on it.

As if this was somehow a bad thing. As if more people doing what they want to do was… somehow a part of a grand revolution against evil. You want members, and the more you can grab, the poorer of all of us somehow are.

Weird.

You’d almost think, reading that, that your main design isn’t to do what you want and live a good life, but to somehow gain one over “us”, become a ruling force of demographics and then do… something. Change some kind of thing.

If I was the cynical, suspecious sort, and perish the thought, I am not, I’d almost be inclined to think that your forums are just a hollow shell for a movement of half baked revenge who dream of crashing a system it hates by pulling out completely and causing everyone to flounder and fail, in order to then run right back and assert new dominance over humbled foes INSTEAD OF just a bunch of blokes having a lark.

Well, I’m sure that’s not the case.

leatapp
leatapp
6 years ago

Hasmat,
In what way do you think feminism is about telling men or anyone else to base their self worth on sex or to define themselves by being in heteronormative relationships and could you explain where you got that idea in the first place? Where ever you got that information, it’s incorrect. Meanwhile, MGTW is not at all about anything other than talking about how awful those men imagine women to be. It isn’t a movement. It’s just a hate site full of misinformation and bitter misogynists. What’s a pity is that you’ve been duped into thinking it’s anything else.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

Daw, shoot. I wanted a new and entertaining definition of MGTOW. Oh well. 🙁

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

@ LBT

“It seems like I might be stuck having to put up a picture of my husband’s cock or something. THAT should do the job!”

Maybe we should all forsake the Furrinati and make our gravitars pictures of cocks-in-cozies instead?

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: fromafar2013

Yes! And with stupid faces drawn on them in MSpaint! (What can I say, hubby and I have odd ways of entertaining ourselves…)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I should try to dig up that old picture of a cock in a high-heeled shoe that my friend sent me. It can symbolize the way men are unable to go their own way because women enslave them with our sexy shoes.

(No, I have no idea why she sent it either.)

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Hazmat: You sure do suck at trash talking, gumdrop.

And, y’know, when you keep coming back here, dropping sad little turds in the comments, it’s almost like Manboobz got under your skin, or something.

Oh my, that DOES call up such mental images! Maybe we should coin a new phrase for when trolls do that. I propose “rabbit raisins”.

LOL Hasmat, you think we “shame” without reading? We read what David quotes from you. This isn’t a difficult concept … except for misogynist lackwits, apparently.

Verbatim quoting is MISANDRY! Oh sorry, “shaming without reading”.

No wonder my sides ache so much today.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

If I was the cynical, suspecious sort, and perish the thought, I am not, I’d almost be inclined to think that your forums are just a hollow shell for a movement of half baked revenge who dream of crashing a system it hates by pulling out completely and causing everyone to flounder and fail, in order to then run right back and assert new dominance over humbled foes INSTEAD OF just a bunch of blokes having a lark.

A lark implies that they’re enjoying themselves and haven’t a care in the world. These guys are the most joyless lot I’ve seen. I’d say it’s a wank, and a ragey wank at that.

I should try to dig up that old picture of a cock in a high-heeled shoe that my friend sent me. It can symbolize the way men are unable to go their own way because women enslave them with our sexy shoes.

(No, I have no idea why she sent it either.)

Fancy-schmantzy shoes are MISANDRY! Don’t you know that women taunt men with their bodies? You people…do you need miggy-toes to explain everything to you?

(I suspect she sent it for a laugh. I know that’s what I’d do if I saw such a thing.)

kittehserf
6 years ago

LBT – I’m seeing your avatar looking like Jefferson’s Party Hat. (NSFW)

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

@ kittehserf

Best Comic Ever.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Oh god, Kittehs, that was hilarible.

I am that man with the cheeses.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Now, I read “a statue made entirely of heroin and cheesecake,” and think, “why would you ruin perfectly good cheesecake with heroin?”

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Now, I read “a statue made entirely of heroin and cheesecake,” and think, “why would you ruin perfectly good cheesecake with heroin?”

Same here. Having had to take opioid painkillers for a broken pelvis at an early age made me extremely squeamish about injection drugs…Demerol was absolutely nightmarish. Made me hallucinate, and unable to poop. Scared me away from all the drugs high schoolers experiment with and then some.

Cheesecake, on the other hand, is downright bloody addictive. In the best way.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

I am shocked that hen put up with that.

Nacho Vidal
6 years ago

@hasmat, seriously mate…don’t bother. Elam is the problem.

Brooked
Brooked
6 years ago

@Fibinachi

If I was the cynical, suspecious sort, and perish the thought, I am not, I’d almost be inclined to think that your forums are just a hollow shell for a movement of half baked revenge who dream of crashing a system it hates by pulling out completely and causing everyone to flounder and fail, in order to then run right back and assert new dominance over humbled foes INSTEAD OF just a bunch of blokes having a lark.

Well, I’m sure that’s not the case.

Is Hasmat going to address Nacho Vidal’s statement?

I ask because Nacho’s goodbye cruel world post included several key epiphanies:

I thought my own energy to go head to head with such people would be appreciated. But instead I found myself surrounded by fools who were more concerned with likening our way of life to a fantasy sci-fi flick.

Sounds like Nacho has noticed that for a lot of MGTOWs, planning for the future revolves around waiting for a Mad Max-style apocalypse in which they will rule over females and manginas. In other words, he looked around and saw his forum was full of a bunch of dull-minded chucklefucks fixated on non-reality based adolescent power fantasies.

Well today is MGTOW Forum’s 3rd birthday and quite frankly the vast majority of you deserve what’s out there. For me, things have got to the point where I recognise there is no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world. However, MGTOW seems to be a successful concept for incels and psychos so that is where I’m going to leave it.

Sounds like Nacho realizes how MGTOW is a motley collection of immature malcontents that in no way functions as a movement, will never have any real social significance and, to outsiders, is a complete joke. And then Nacho wisely tapped out.

That said, congrats on the increased website traffic, Hasmat!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Awww hen in knitwear!

Love the colour scheme, too. 🙂

fromafar- I’m torn between Dead Philosophers, Oglaf and Hark, a Vagrant for my favourites. I like Manly Guys a lot too, but the only reference I know there is Duke Nukem, so a lot of the jokes go straight through to the keeper.

I can never stop giggling at the Nietzsche comics, especially the one where God plants a turd on his head.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I wonder if he’s stupid enough not to realize that the fact that someone is reading your forum doesn’t mean that they sympathize with the opinions expressed there. Hate-following, it’s a thing!

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Kittehs

I like Manly Guys a lot too, but the only reference I know there is Duke Nukem, so a lot of the jokes go straight through to the keeper.

If it helps at all, I’ve been out of gaming since around 2000 and I still find most of it funny. <.< But mocking uber-macho video game heroes is just intrinsically hilarious to me.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

It would sure be a laff if these guys found out that the majority of their forum traffic wasn’t from like-minded red-pill-swillers, but from people out to mock, scorn and expose their shit.

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@Bina

but remember, any publicity is good publicty! /snark.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

They don’t seem to quite get how the internet works.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

They must think that their shit don’t stink…why, just look at all the flies it attracts!

kittehserf
6 years ago

But mocking uber-macho video game heroes is just intrinsically hilarious to me.

Oh gods yes. The ones where the Greek hero types were playing Gay Chicken …

They don’t seem to quite get how the internet works.

They don’t get how anything else works, either, so why should the internet be an exception?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

(Also, random observation: Nacho is short for Narciso, in Spanish. Three guesses as to which mythical figure inspired THAT name.)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I have to admit that his “I don’t understand why my MGTOW forum attracted angry losers who blame all their problems on women!” post was hilarious. You may not get it, buddy, but everyone else does.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Bina – and here I thought he was naming himself after snack food. 😛

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

I have to admit that his “I don’t understand why my MGTOW forum attracted angry losers who blame all their problems on women!” post was hilarious. You may not get it, buddy, but everyone else does.

And of course, his being one himself had NOTHING to do with it.

Bina – and here I thought he was naming himself after snack food. 😛

Heh…I’m sure HE thought so, too. Cheesy of him…

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Kittehs

Oh gods yes. The ones where the Greek hero types were playing Gay Chicken …

Yup. Spartans play for keeps! Those two characters are actually ones I know through pop culture osmosis, and yeah, they’re pretty much EXACTLY the kind of characters you likely think they are.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

Also, random observation: Nacho is short for Narciso, in Spanish

It’s also short for Ignacio.

kittehserf
6 years ago

It’s also short for Ignacio.

St Nacho Loyola definitely lacks gravitas.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

He also lacks followers who value education. Stop and try to picture what an MGTOW-run university would look like.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Ewwww, I don’t wish to know!

Not that it’d last longer than a week anyway, in the unlikely event they ever got it running. It’d be like Reddit Island all over again.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Hey, just struck me that this St Nacho could turn the Jesuits’ line into “Give me a child when he is seven and I’ll give you a man who hasn’t developed past that age.”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Course catalogue

Intro to Bitches
Blaming Women for Everything 201
Pretending to Be Independent 302