A bit of drama in the land of misogyny: The guy behind MGTOWforums.com, the leading site devoted to so-called Men Going Their Own Way and one of the most reliable purveyors of highly mockable misogyny, has decided to, well, go his own way. (Sorry, I had to.)
Last night, MGTOWforums founder “Nacho Vidal” (not the real porn star) took the forums down, replacing them with a rather embittered farewell letter. But as of a few minutes ago, the forums were BACK UP again, albeit with no explanation and no new posts since last night. (Perhaps the site is just going to remain up as an archive?)
More on this as it develops, but in the meantime, let’s take a look at Nacho Vidal’s long goodbye:
For 3 years I’ve worked to build up MGTOW Forums into a force to be reckoned with, but alas it has failed. It has failed because of the very reasons which brought down the previous MGTOW board: inexperienced idiots who were angry at not being able to get laid – betas, zetas, red pills and the rest of the rubbish.
Oh, we’re off to a good start here.
Vidal explained that he was angry not just at the “fools … psychos [and] incels … who vocally supported other places, that I won’t mention” but at the “so called supporters” on his own forums who
found it just fine for our competitors to constantly attack us whilst they themselves used rhetoric such as “we’re all in it together” and “we’re all after the same thing” when clearly we were not.
I assume that one of the “other places” he’s talking about here is A Voice for Men, which has recently tried to brand itself as a site for MGTOWers, and has not been shy about trashing other MGTOW sites. He probably also meant PUAhate, a site that attacks MGTOWers as well as PUAs, but unfortunately in some pretty misogynistic ways.
As someone who has always stood up against bullies, I thought my own energy to go head to head with such people would be appreciated. But instead I found myself surrounded by fools who were more concerned with likening our way of life to a fantasy sci-fi flick? The same fools then wondered why folk like Manboobz, who was more friendly to us than our enemies, constantly mocked them?
Aw, a little shoutout. In my defense, I wasn’t really trying to be friendly. I was just doing my normal thing of quoting people saying terrible things and mostly letting their terrible quotes do the talking.
Well today is MGTOW Forum’s 3rd birthday and quite frankly the vast majority of you deserve what’s out there. For me, things have got to the point where I recognise there is no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world. However, MGTOW seems to be a successful concept for incels and psychos so that is where I’m going to leave it.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure the reason that there’s “no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world” is that MGTOWers are pretty much all a bunch of hateful assholes, and that whenever “the wider world” hears what MGTOWers have to say, the “wider world” either gasps in disgusted amazement or bursts out laughing.
After thanking some of the MGTOWforums posters he actually liked, he continued with his rant:
When the curtain falls it is time to get off the stage and that is what I propose to do. I’ll leave you all to wallow in the Red Pill and Alpha/Beta/Zeta fantasy garbage which was our downfall. …
As of yesterday, our average daily traffic was in excess of 6,000 unique visits per day. So I was doing something right eh? Meh…very few of you were worth the effort.
Good luck and time for me to Go My Own Way
Adios and fuck off
The reaction from A Voice for Men — the site that would be king of the MGTOWers — has been predictable. In a gloating, self-aggrandizing post that may be the least-self-aware piece of writing I have ever seen on the internet, Elam snorts:
Good riddance.
Allow me to qualify. I am sure there were men who actually benefited from involvement in MGTOW Forums. There is great need for the MGTOW philosophy, which is powerful in these times, with comparatively few outlets. The truth, even when served up on a trash can lid by idiots, is a powerful thing.
But I never had the belief that MGTOW was really about what happened at MGTOW Forums, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Nacho Vidal’s standards.
Uh, Paul, dude. I hate to break it to you, but if you replace a few strategic words in that last paragraph, you’ve written a perfect description of your own site:
But I never had the belief that the Men’s Rights movement was really about what happened at A Voice for Men, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Paul Elam’s standards.
Here are some “cunts” diatribes from A Voice for Men, including one in which a regular contributor declared that “[w]omen are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious cunts.” And here are some “whore” diatribes, including the one in which Elam himself used the word whore more than two dozen times). As for deeming some men “less than worthy,” you may recall Elam’s infamous post in which he told men who were suffering to “fuck off” if they hadn’t already donated money and/or volunteer labor to Elam and his website.
He continues:
I never thought, and I still don’t, that self-consuming bitterness was required to Go Your Own Way. Venting? Sure. And by god, MGTOW Forums was good for that. Problem is, venting without release or healing is not really venting.
Not a lot of healing going on at A Voice for Men, dude. Not a lot of anything other than angry ranting, endless fundraising, harassment campaigns, and a lot of self-congratulation.
Elam ends the post with a bit of the latter, patting himself on the back for his expert leadership at AVFM.
But his victory celebration may be a bit premature. At least three new MGTOW forums have sprung up overnight. like poisonous mushrooms, in an attempt to fill the void left by MGTOWforums’ demise.
Men Going Their Own Way dot Net – Forums
And we’ll have to see if the old MGTOWforums remains up as well.
Still, so many old and familiar faces on that thread.
*wanders off, singing maudlin Broadway tunes*
This is such a bizarre thing. What was the guy expecting to accomplish with the site in the first place? If it wasn’t “idiots who were angry at not being able to get laid” and it obviously wasn’t about constructive things these guys are doing with all their awesome lady-free time.
Technically, “wallowing” is a kind of movement…
@auggziliary, that image got the misters over on r/mr all cranky too. Of course they think the comments are terrible!
TW for violence against children
The thing about the idea that women “get away with” drowning their kids is just … Andrea Yates, whose psychosis had been well-documented for some time before she killed her children, and who probably should have been hospitalized (but her insurance wouldn’t cover it), didn’t “get away with it.” She is confined to a mental hospital, medicated, and during her lucid moments is horrified at what she did. What a picnic! And since she’s been declared legally insane, she can’t even get out by serving a sentence!
Not to mention that men “get away with it” too.
This is what I wondered. It was hardly a support group, unless sitting around raging about how dreadful women are counts as support, and if their GTOW lives were so great, why weren’t they talking about stuff they did, instead of … raging about women?
Why would you complain about not getting away with infanticide? Are they saying men should be able to kill their children and get away with it? It’s oppression for men to be jailed for killing their families now? What?
OT but fun: I read in our kennel club’s magazine about a woman visiting an international dog show here in Sweden, where her dog was judged by an English judge. She made a complaint to the kennel club for hiring such rude judges – he had called her dog a BITCH!
I imagine much weeping in basements and cubicles was heard when the MGTOW forums went away. Perhaps that swayed the Nacho dude to put the the forum back up (in whatever form). Gotta give ’em a chance to save their ‘best’ posts, after all.
There was a period in which MGTOWforums and AVFM were really at each others’ throats. Idk if they still are.
As far as Elam’s lack of self-awareness, I really don’t understand how one can get to be his age (around 60? He said he was born mid 50’s) and be that completely unaware. Granted, I’m only in my early 20s, but I was taught a bit of self awareness is part of being an adult. Pretty sure this is willful at this point.
Elam is pretty ridiculous most of the time (some of us have been trying to get r/mensrights to distance itself from AVfM, with some success), but I’d put him above places like MGTOWforums. At least Elam is for something; he has a coherent platform. MGTOWforums, from what I’ve seen, was just a place for incoherent raging.
That imgur image:
Why did whoever made that tack a cute puppy on the end of that bullshit? What did that poor little cute puppy do to deserve that?
A post started by Ami Angelwings came across my tumblr recently and it completely made my day.
Sure Elam is a raging misogynist, but at least he has a coherent platform!!!
Because rage-frothy tirades about “c*nts” and wh*res” is a coherent platform.
A misogynist is a misogynist is a misogynist.
A coherent platform? What coherent platform? If Paul Elam or any of the MRAs were for equality they would look to an alliance with feminists to achieve it. Instead they are more interested in raging against feminists and women in general. Until they stop doing that, nobody is going to take them seriously.
Paul Elam’s Coherrent Platform. More can be found by searching the terms “Paul Elam, rage”.
RE: Cthulu’s Intern
Oh weird. Those penguins sound like if a hive of giant bees learned to play the kazoo!
RE: Kittehs
You’re not cheating like LBT does, are you?
Shame on you! I never cheat! ;p
Ahem…coherent. Typo Monster is hungry.
Paul Elam is a dingleberry.
“Fuck their shit up!”
The coherent platform of the Men’s Human Rights Movement.
Buttboy, wake me when you get better at this.
Well, I guess you could say Elam has clear motives (misogyny and greed). A clear platform, not so much.
No, no, no, this is a coherent platform.
I actually thought the Nacho’s goodbye post was alright – surprisingly…..not so much Elam >.< I Definitely agree with the "hate heretics more" comment heh.
Can't recall if this is my first comment or not, I must lurk too much…..Hi.
Goddamn, this is just like listening to someone from one sect of Christianity bad-mouth another sect of Christianity. Nevermind that, to just about everyone outside of the faith, they may as well be the same fucking thing. Same goes with the likes of Libertarians and Objectivists – even though they’re both corporatists that see the poor alternatively as a disposable labor force and parasites that must be destroyed. It’s kind of hard to care which one is “better” than the other when both are horrible.
FYI: minute differences between one sub-group to another sub-group don’t matter to anyone other than those within either sub-group. No one else needs to, or even should, give a shit.