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MGTOWforums goes away — or does it?

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A bit of drama in the land of misogyny: The guy behind MGTOWforums.com, the leading site devoted to so-called Men Going Their Own Way and one of the most reliable purveyors of highly mockable misogyny, has decided to, well, go his own way. (Sorry, I had to.)

Last night, MGTOWforums founder “Nacho Vidal” (not the real porn star) took the forums down, replacing them with a rather embittered farewell letter. But as of a few minutes ago, the forums were BACK UP again, albeit with no explanation and no new posts since last night. (Perhaps the site is just going to remain up as an archive?)

More on this as it develops, but in the meantime, let’s take a look at Nacho Vidal’s long goodbye:

For 3 years I’ve worked to build up MGTOW Forums into a force to be reckoned with, but alas it has failed. It has failed because of the very reasons which brought down the previous MGTOW board: inexperienced idiots who were angry at not being able to get laid – betas, zetas, red pills and the rest of the rubbish.

Oh, we’re off to a good start here.

Vidal explained that he was angry not just at the “fools … psychos [and] incels … who vocally supported other places, that I won’t mention” but at the “so called supporters” on his own forums who

found it just fine for our competitors to constantly attack us whilst they themselves used rhetoric such as “we’re all in it together” and “we’re all after the same thing” when clearly we were not.

I assume that one of the “other places” he’s talking about here is A Voice for Men, which has recently tried to brand itself as a site for MGTOWers, and has not been shy about trashing other MGTOW sites. He probably also meant PUAhate, a site that attacks MGTOWers as well as PUAs, but unfortunately in some pretty misogynistic ways.

As someone who has always stood up against bullies, I thought my own energy to go head to head with such people would be appreciated. But instead I found myself surrounded by fools who were more concerned with likening our way of life to a fantasy sci-fi flick? The same fools then wondered why folk like Manboobz, who was more friendly to us than our enemies, constantly mocked them?

Aw, a little shoutout. In my defense, I wasn’t really trying to be friendly. I was just doing my normal thing of quoting people saying terrible things and mostly letting their terrible quotes do the talking.

Well today is MGTOW Forum’s 3rd birthday and quite frankly the vast majority of you deserve what’s out there. For me, things have got to the point where I recognise there is no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world. However, MGTOW seems to be a successful concept for incels and psychos so that is where I’m going to leave it.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure the reason that there’s “no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world” is that MGTOWers are pretty much all a bunch of hateful assholes, and that whenever “the wider world” hears what MGTOWers have to say, the “wider world” either gasps in disgusted amazement or bursts out laughing.

After thanking some of the MGTOWforums posters he actually liked, he continued with his rant:

When the curtain falls it is time to get off the stage and that is what I propose to do. I’ll leave you all to wallow in the Red Pill and Alpha/Beta/Zeta fantasy garbage which was our downfall. …

As of yesterday, our average daily traffic was in excess of 6,000 unique visits per day. So I was doing something right eh? Meh…very few of you were worth the effort.

Good luck and time for me to Go My Own Way

Adios and fuck off

The reaction from A Voice for Men — the site that would be king of the MGTOWers — has been predictable. In a gloating, self-aggrandizing post that may be the least-self-aware piece of writing I have ever seen on the internet, Elam snorts:

Good riddance.

Allow me to qualify. I am sure there were men who actually benefited from involvement in MGTOW Forums. There is great need for the MGTOW philosophy, which is powerful in these times, with comparatively few outlets. The truth, even when served up on a trash can lid by idiots, is a powerful thing.

But I never had the belief that MGTOW was really about what happened at MGTOW Forums, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Nacho Vidal’s standards.

Uh, Paul, dude. I hate to break it to you, but if you replace a few strategic words in that last paragraph, you’ve written a perfect description of your own site:

But I never had the belief that the Men’s Rights movement was really about what happened at A Voice for Men, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Paul Elam’s standards.

Here are some “cunts” diatribes from A Voice for Men, including one in which a regular contributor declared that “[w]omen are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious cunts.”  And here are some “whore” diatribes, including the one in which Elam himself used the word whore more than two dozen times). As for deeming some men “less than worthy,” you may recall Elam’s infamous post in which he told men who were suffering to “fuck off” if they hadn’t already donated money and/or volunteer labor to Elam and his website.

He continues:

I never thought, and I still don’t, that self-consuming bitterness was required to Go Your Own Way. Venting? Sure. And by god, MGTOW Forums was good for that. Problem is, venting without release or healing is not really venting.

Not a lot of healing going on at A Voice for Men, dude. Not a lot of anything other than angry ranting, endless fundraising, harassment campaigns, and a lot of self-congratulation.

Elam ends the post with a bit of the latter, patting himself on the back for his expert leadership at AVFM.

But his victory celebration may be a bit premature. At least three new MGTOW forums have sprung up overnight. like poisonous mushrooms, in an attempt to fill the void left by MGTOWforums’ demise.

MGTOW — The Red Pill

MGTOW.net forums

Men Going Their Own Way dot Net – Forums

And we’ll have to see if the old MGTOWforums remains up as well.

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2-D Man
2-D Man
6 years ago

Wait, what exactly is Elam for?

Maybe I’ve missed that, but I’m just not sure of what he wants to do. I remember that one time he held a rally, but I don’t remember what specific objectives he was trying to accomplish.

Eveything else I know about him is just plain unflattering, so I’m listening.

kittehserf
6 years ago

His objectives? Getting money from the suckers and getting women hurt or killed, I’d say.

BritterSweet
BritterSweet
6 years ago

A bit off topic, but an earlier thread mentioned the Kickstarter for the Indie game “Night In the Woods.” Which led me to look up Scott Benson on Youtube. Which led to me re-watching “But I’m A Nice Guy.” Which led to this song inspired by the animation. And I wanted to share it.

tealily
tealily
6 years ago

So let me get this straight. This Nacho guy has been running one of the MGTOW blogs and has come to the conclusion that most of the men there are idiots and not worth his time and energy, and the manosphere is divided into various factions that pretty much feel the same way about the others, but they expect women to jump at the chance to not only spend time with all of them but sleep with them?

You just can’t make this stuff up.

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@cthulu’s intern

I have yet to be eaten by the blockquotes monster. Am I not a True Manboobzer?

aaahhhh!!! Impostor! Out, demon, out!

/silly

@ThermionicTriode

Hi and welcome! 😀

pecunium
6 years ago

Elam has a platform, Fucking Their Shit UP!, and popping boners when he thinks he’s pulled it off.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

So let me get this straight. This Nacho guy has been running one of the MGTOW blogs and has come to the conclusion that most of the men there are idiots and not worth his time and energy, and the manosphere is divided into various factions that pretty much feel the same way about the others, but they expect women to jump at the chance to not only spend time with all of them but sleep with them?

Pretty much, yup. And they’re pissed as hell that we’re not desperate enough to do that, and save ourselves for the glorious wedding night, too.

House Mouse Queen
6 years ago

@pecunium
lol. Paul is an interesting specimen. The dude is married but tells other dudes that marriage is like prison. Hates women and yet is married to one. Makes a job out of misogyny, taking lots of money from other woman hating specimens, threatening lolsuits, and writing crappy rants online. Sometimes I think to myself ‘how the hell does he get away with this?’

Then I remember I’m living in a white male hetero dominated world.

kittehserf
6 years ago

tealily – got it in one.

🙂

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Does anyone know what he was competing with his competitors for? I missed that bit.

tealily
tealily
6 years ago

Clearly, irony is lost on them all.

nedbeaumontjr
6 years ago

Cloudiah –

The thing about the idea that women “get away with” drowning their kids is just … Andrea Yates, whose psychosis had been well-documented for some time before she killed her children, and who probably should have been hospitalized (but her insurance wouldn’t cover it), didn’t “get away with it.” She is confined to a mental hospital, medicated, and during her lucid moments is horrified at what she did.

Some thirteen years ago, on the NY Times religion forum, a self-proclaimed fundamentalist explained this to the heathens: she deserved to be broken in prison rather than “enjoying a relaxing cell and good drugs.”

kittehserf
6 years ago

I suppose these creatures would feel sorry for the scum who murdered his eleven-year-old son and committed ‘suicide by cop’ here yesterday.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Gorgeous!

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Some thirteen years ago, on the NY Times religion forum, a self-proclaimed fundamentalist explained this to the heathens: she deserved to be broken in prison rather than “enjoying a relaxing cell and good drugs.”

Being deprived of freedom is “relaxing”? Only a fundie could think that way.

Also, the “good drugs” aren’t the high-making kind. They’re the keep-you-from-flipping-out kind, and the side effects can be pretty damn horrendous.

nedbeaumontjr
6 years ago

Being deprived of freedom is “relaxing”? Only a fundie could think that way.

Also, the “good drugs” aren’t the high-making kind. They’re the keep-you-from-flipping-out kind, and the side effects can be pretty damn horrendous.

Yeah, all that was explained to him. Just made him angry(er) and (more) self-righteous.

Also, a minor correction to my earlier comment: 12-1/2 years ago.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

Yay, a reference to Tommy, upthread. I love Ann-Margret.

becausescience
becausescience
6 years ago

My thoughts:

1.

For 3 years I’ve worked to build up MGTOW Forums into a force to be reckoned with, but alas it has failed.

HA!

2. Who did he THINK an MGTOW forum was going to attract if not a bunch of angry neckbeards who wanted to complain about women all day? This reminds me of the guy who shut down the In Mala Fide blog or whatever it was called because he was SHOCKED(!) that it had attracted a bunch of racists and ultra-right wing reactionaries. Do these people not read their own websites?

3. It’s weird that these mansophere factions view each other as “competition”.

4. I was going to write something else here but I forgot what.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

4. Profit!!!!!

AIT
AIT
6 years ago

becausescience:

The only thing I can think of for why they view each other as competition is they believe, one day, one of their groups will be the last one left, and therefore crowned the Manliest Group of Manly Men, and all the feeeeeeeemales will come to their senses fall at their feet, to herald them as the new arbiters of male sexuality. *gag*

I need to block out that horrible image now. Here’s a cat licking the vaccuum cleaner hose.

Fade
Fade
6 years ago

@AIT

That cat is super adorable. ::D awesome brain bleech

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Flurp flurp flurp!

BritterSweet
BritterSweet
6 years ago

Don’t be fooled by their cute visages. Them feeeelines are meeeeeaaan.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Yay, a reference to Tommy, upthread. I love Ann-Margret.

Confession: I couldn’t sit through that film, it bored me no end. I fast-forwarded just to see Elton John.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

I’ve just realised that I have MGTOWs in my house – 3 of the cats are male. So that would be mousers going their own way. Of course, that normally involves where I am going, to the bathroom, the toilet, the living room, the computer desk, the bedroom…

kittehserf
6 years ago

Yes, they just happen to be going where you are. Pure coincidence. How could you possibly think otherwise?

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

Don’t be fooled by their cute visages. Them feeeelines are meeeeeaaan.

I think it’s really that dogs are, ironically, scaredy-cats.

emilygoddess
6 years ago

Don’t be fooled by their cute visages. Them feeeelines are meeeeeaaan.

FElines…FEmales…coincidence?! You tell me..

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: nedbeaumontjr

a self-proclaimed fundamentalist explained this to the heathens: she deserved to be broken in prison rather than “enjoying a relaxing cell and good drugs.”

SOMEBODY’s never been in the mental healthcare system or involuntarily medicated before! (Hint: it’s neither relaxing nor enjoyable.)

RE: becausescience

3. It’s weird that these mansophere factions view each other as “competition”.

Not really. They all seem to be more invested in playing “whose dick is bigger” games on the Internet than actually getting anything done, so competition is the natural reaction. Cooperation is GIRLY, after all, while men are independent lone wolves, hunting mammoths away from the pack, or something. It’s about ego, not results.

RE: AIT

I’ve never seen a cat who wasn’t afraid of the vacuum before! (Or at best, indifferent.)

AIT
AIT
6 years ago

LBT: Nor have I! That’s why this cat strikes me as so damn odd! And adorable! The mind boggles at this cat.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

you don’t need cooperation to kill a mammoth, if there’s enough lone wolves to literally dog-pile it. The difficult part is to decide who gets to keep the carcass.

Our friends used to have an old cat that was so deaf and docile you could vacuum-clean its fur. Now their grandkids have a young dog that takes it as barking challenge when I cough.

Hasmat
6 years ago

Hey, you missed us, Dave.

Thanks for all the free advertising over the last three years.
We are back and stronger. No hard feelings, K?

Hasmat http://www.mgtowhq.com

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: hasmat

You realize that’s not how advertising actually works, right? If your restaurant gets reviewed as the shittiest restaurant in town, that’s not exactly going to send folks flocking.

But keep pretending otherwise, if that’s what does it for you.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Hey hasmat, answer some questions – what’s your forum for? You guys don’t talk about the great lives you live as singles, or the interesting things you do, or anything. All you do it make up shit about women, talk about women, complain about women … obsess about women, in other words. How is that “going your own way”? How is it doing anything except advertising to the world that you’re shit-scared of the very women you lust over? You blokes are your own worst enemies, I swear.

emilygoddess
6 years ago

Hasmat just needed us to know how not-upset he is.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

We are back and stronger. No hard feelings, K?

So, the men going their own way have…come back.

Isn’t that the opposite of going your own way?

Seriously, gumdrop, nobody cares, so just go already.

Hasmat
6 years ago

@Aug. Sure. I have some time to talk before coffee.

@LBT Yeah, I knew you wouldn’t understand
Everytime Manboobz posts an article about us, we gain members. That’s how advertising works (for you Women’s studies majors). Go to ANY website that ranks internet sites by traffic. Look up the old forum and it’s exponential growth. I realize we might only grab a few guys from here, but that’s enough for now.

@Kitte I’ve been in a nice LTR for several years. I’m open about that. Some guys are married, some have other arrangements, some guys avoid them. MGTOW does not mean “no women”. It’s obvious you shame without reading the forums. I have sex with my girl often. But I don’t base my self worth on it.

Shit scared? Seriously? Dude (I think)?

@ Em Thanks. I think you got it.

@ Sparky You’re no too bright, are you? That’s what we call dullards around here.

Is coming home after a vacation the opposite of taking a vacation? And, if you didn’t care, why comment?

I’ll check back on you guys to make sure you’re OK.

Thanks again, Man boobz.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

So much for actually GOING your own way, huh Hasmat?

MGTOW does not mean “no women”.

Words mean things, dipshit. Does your GF know you’ve gone?

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

@ hasmat

I was under the impression that the success of a forum was measured by its membership (quantity and quality) the sense of community and the ability to organize events, meetups and support each other as a result. Is page views from click bait really your goal? Do you have ads that pay per click, and that has become your motivation? Does you membership know this?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Everytime Manboobz posts an article about us, we gain members.

>bursts out laughing<

Surrrrrrrre you do, bud. Surrrrrrrrrrrre you do.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

Oh, one more thing, hasmat.

” MGTOW does not mean “no women”.”

Cool. So, what exactly DOES it mean then? Could you provide us with a more accurate definition? Maybe if its a good explanation David could be convinced to append the MGTOW section of the glossary?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

I guess it means “no women that aren’t under our thumbs”.

Or maybe he means that blow-up dolls are allowed.

emilygoddess
6 years ago

That’s how advertising works (for you Women’s studies majors).

Ooh, sick burn bro!

I have sex with my girl often. But I don’t base my self worth on it.

Clearly.

@ Em Thanks. I think you got it.

Shit. I’m so used to people here knowing what’s up, I didn’t think to include sarcasm tags. See, the joke was that you’re actually really mad, but for some reason you think this is our first day on the internet and we’ll all be convinced by you pretending that this post is some great boon for you. Sorry you thought I wasn’t laughing at you.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

That’s how advertising works

*busts guts laughing at this turd*

You can add “how advertising works” to the list of things you know fuckall about, Hasmat. All publicity is not good publicity.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

All publicity is not good publicity.

If it were, SodaStream would be booming as a result of that boycott.

These dudes think that bravado will get them somewhere. They have SO much to learn…

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

I’m sure he thinks that Coca-Cola just throws their name out there and hopes for the best. Since the vast majority of these MRA jagoffs can’t get a meetup together, I doubt they’ve done demographic/psychographic research (and all of the other 9 million things that go into marketing) and figured out their target market for their “message.”

Hasmat
6 years ago

@hell. We meet every year.

To all the others, I don’t have the time to refute your BS right now. The site is hopping, so I have work to do.

It probably isn’t right for me to keep trying to rebuild your strawman.

I probably shouldn’t involve myself in a battle of wits, here, with those who are completely unarmed.

I might come back if I get bored. While I’m gone, so it’s worth my while, please build more strawmen and construct better shaming insults. Many thanks.

emilygoddess
6 years ago

No, please come back! Give us more unsolicited humblebrags about your sex life and then tell us you don’t measure your self-worth by it! I had a shitty day yesterday and the laughter is doing me good.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

The site is hopping, so I have work to do.

>guffaw<

Sure you do, bud. Surrrrre you do.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

We meet every year.

Oh, so it’s a long distance thing with your GF and you really have GYOW, sorta?

To all the others, I don’t have the time to refute your BS right now. The site is hopping, so I have work to do.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.