A bit of drama in the land of misogyny: The guy behind MGTOWforums.com, the leading site devoted to so-called Men Going Their Own Way and one of the most reliable purveyors of highly mockable misogyny, has decided to, well, go his own way. (Sorry, I had to.)
Last night, MGTOWforums founder “Nacho Vidal” (not the real porn star) took the forums down, replacing them with a rather embittered farewell letter. But as of a few minutes ago, the forums were BACK UP again, albeit with no explanation and no new posts since last night. (Perhaps the site is just going to remain up as an archive?)
More on this as it develops, but in the meantime, let’s take a look at Nacho Vidal’s long goodbye:
For 3 years I’ve worked to build up MGTOW Forums into a force to be reckoned with, but alas it has failed. It has failed because of the very reasons which brought down the previous MGTOW board: inexperienced idiots who were angry at not being able to get laid – betas, zetas, red pills and the rest of the rubbish.
Oh, we’re off to a good start here.
Vidal explained that he was angry not just at the “fools … psychos [and] incels … who vocally supported other places, that I won’t mention” but at the “so called supporters” on his own forums who
found it just fine for our competitors to constantly attack us whilst they themselves used rhetoric such as “we’re all in it together” and “we’re all after the same thing” when clearly we were not.
I assume that one of the “other places” he’s talking about here is A Voice for Men, which has recently tried to brand itself as a site for MGTOWers, and has not been shy about trashing other MGTOW sites. He probably also meant PUAhate, a site that attacks MGTOWers as well as PUAs, but unfortunately in some pretty misogynistic ways.
As someone who has always stood up against bullies, I thought my own energy to go head to head with such people would be appreciated. But instead I found myself surrounded by fools who were more concerned with likening our way of life to a fantasy sci-fi flick? The same fools then wondered why folk like Manboobz, who was more friendly to us than our enemies, constantly mocked them?
Aw, a little shoutout. In my defense, I wasn’t really trying to be friendly. I was just doing my normal thing of quoting people saying terrible things and mostly letting their terrible quotes do the talking.
Well today is MGTOW Forum’s 3rd birthday and quite frankly the vast majority of you deserve what’s out there. For me, things have got to the point where I recognise there is no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world. However, MGTOW seems to be a successful concept for incels and psychos so that is where I’m going to leave it.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure the reason that there’s “no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world” is that MGTOWers are pretty much all a bunch of hateful assholes, and that whenever “the wider world” hears what MGTOWers have to say, the “wider world” either gasps in disgusted amazement or bursts out laughing.
After thanking some of the MGTOWforums posters he actually liked, he continued with his rant:
When the curtain falls it is time to get off the stage and that is what I propose to do. I’ll leave you all to wallow in the Red Pill and Alpha/Beta/Zeta fantasy garbage which was our downfall. …
As of yesterday, our average daily traffic was in excess of 6,000 unique visits per day. So I was doing something right eh? Meh…very few of you were worth the effort.
Good luck and time for me to Go My Own Way
Adios and fuck off
The reaction from A Voice for Men — the site that would be king of the MGTOWers — has been predictable. In a gloating, self-aggrandizing post that may be the least-self-aware piece of writing I have ever seen on the internet, Elam snorts:
Good riddance.
Allow me to qualify. I am sure there were men who actually benefited from involvement in MGTOW Forums. There is great need for the MGTOW philosophy, which is powerful in these times, with comparatively few outlets. The truth, even when served up on a trash can lid by idiots, is a powerful thing.
But I never had the belief that MGTOW was really about what happened at MGTOW Forums, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Nacho Vidal’s standards.
Uh, Paul, dude. I hate to break it to you, but if you replace a few strategic words in that last paragraph, you’ve written a perfect description of your own site:
But I never had the belief that the Men’s Rights movement was really about what happened at A Voice for Men, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Paul Elam’s standards.
Here are some “cunts” diatribes from A Voice for Men, including one in which a regular contributor declared that “[w]omen are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious cunts.” And here are some “whore” diatribes, including the one in which Elam himself used the word whore more than two dozen times). As for deeming some men “less than worthy,” you may recall Elam’s infamous post in which he told men who were suffering to “fuck off” if they hadn’t already donated money and/or volunteer labor to Elam and his website.
He continues:
I never thought, and I still don’t, that self-consuming bitterness was required to Go Your Own Way. Venting? Sure. And by god, MGTOW Forums was good for that. Problem is, venting without release or healing is not really venting.
Not a lot of healing going on at A Voice for Men, dude. Not a lot of anything other than angry ranting, endless fundraising, harassment campaigns, and a lot of self-congratulation.
Elam ends the post with a bit of the latter, patting himself on the back for his expert leadership at AVFM.
But his victory celebration may be a bit premature. At least three new MGTOW forums have sprung up overnight. like poisonous mushrooms, in an attempt to fill the void left by MGTOWforums’ demise.
Men Going Their Own Way dot Net – Forums
And we’ll have to see if the old MGTOWforums remains up as well.
OK! Ninja’d! Well, I will get on reading through, and picking out bits that will make for good commentary. I have no video editing software save for Windows Movie Maker, so I’ll have to just do audio for now.
A battle between two overlords that are far superior to anyone in the mrm
I don’t understand why MRAs, MGTOW and PUAs don’t like each other. They’re all misogynists plus hints of racism and ableism with a generous helping of homophobia and transphobia. What’s the problem? Shouldn’t they unite in their fuckery? Not that I want them to. It’s just strange that they don’t.
Lookit those tails frash-frash-frashing! 😀
AIT, did you see sarumanangry’s recording of the Liquid Fucking Gold rant? I think David did a post on that. It was hilarious.
I haven’t! I’ll give it a look here in a minute. Damn to the depths the slowness of my reading! I have tried speed-reading before, but I can’t do it often because people don’t speak that fast!
Hi, ThermionicTriode! Have a Welcome Package!
I think there’s a first-aid kit for headdesk-induced trauma in there somewhere. If not, use this one and inhale some Scented Fucking Candles.
BAHAHA Ok, Sarumanangry’s “LIQUID GOLD” reading is great!!
Also, as far as the Make Shit Up thread, I will definitely not be able to fit all of it into one video! I’ll do the best I can, but dang! This will be a long one! And great!! I’m hearing all of it in zefrank’s voice, and I’m already seeing where pieces are coming together to form the narrative.
Did someone say speed reading (and showing my age here, and it was my best friend’s brother’s record):
AIT – gods no, trying to fit all of that thread in one video would be like building Hadrian’s Wall with legos. Full scale.
I’m really looking forward to hearing this. 🙂
Sarumanangry’s reading is brilliant, isn’t it?
It is! I admire folks who can make that good of an impression of another voice, that’s always been one of my favorite things, which is one reason I enjoy a lot of Robin Williams’ work, and why I’d love to do voice acting.
Someone told me I have a radio voice when I was working drive-thru, and if my abuser hadn’t been involved in radio, I’d love to give it a shot. But, for now, I’ll leave that on the shelf.
My boss likes to use the old joke that he has a perfect face for radio. 😛
Also, forgot to mention, this aMiRA character really didn’t know how to play the game. Is it bad a couple of their assertions made me laugh just as hard as the actual commenters? Just because they are so flat ridiculous?
We recommend your own preferred therapies and/or preventative procedures for dealing with potential facepalm, headdesk and droppedjaw injuries.
We also recommend you never, ever suppress laughter. Should it bubble, gurgle or roar up later …. at the same time as …. a facepalm, headdesk or droppedjaw moment, you may suffer internal as well as external injury.
@weirwoodtreehugger
If they recognize that other members of the manosphere that have slightly different versions of the basic ideology as people instead of monsters that must be destroyed at all costs, well it’s a slippery slope from that to recognizing that men outside the manoshpere are people which can slide into seeing everyone, even black disabled lesbians, as people. And we can’t have that! Better to close ranks and declare anyone even slightly different an enemy and fight to the bitter end and salt the earth behind us.
mildlymagnificent:
Let’s see if I can get this right this time. That made me think straight over to this.
My excuse when I laugh at nothing.
AIT – laffing at trolls is the game. They just don’t know it.
Oooooh… so, in fact, they were playing their role in the game perfectly, providing the laughs. I simply misread their role in the game. Back to studying!
😀
I sent you an email, too.
Okay, time for me to hit the sack. Niters, all!
I find it rather amusing that he names Manboobz as being friendlier then the other groups, even if it was supposed to be some kind of ‘our enemies are worse then those opposite our views.’ sort of thing.
I mean, if this were a real ‘movement’, I would have considered this form of Internal conflict being a sort of improving situation, where the ‘movement’ begins to tighten its focus a little.. but as we all know, the MRA isn’t really about moving anywhere, except maybe backwards. (More women should die to make up for all those women who didnt die, If they have any say, after all.)
As it stands, its like watching a particularly lethargic and pathetic fight.
Also, gotta love the startling lack of self awareness on Elam’s part. I mean, some of what he says, particularly about venting and healing, sounds almost like some kind of pre-baked wisdom he got from a cheap fortune cookie or something, and yet im pretty sure he bitches and whines and moans about three times as much as a regular MGTOW.
weirwoodtreehugger –
Fanatics always hate heretics more than straight-up infidels. Infidels are enemies, but at least they’re easy to see. Heretics lead the Faithful astray.
…which is pretty much Nacho’s complaint here.
aMiRA was a poe.
I feel sorry for you newcomers, that you’ve never had the pleasure of Ami Angelwings’s company on this blog. I would say something about glorious days gone by, but that was also the heyday of NWOSlave, so the glory was counterbalanced by the suck.
“…has decided to, well, go his own way…”
Okay, that was really funny. There is a complete lack of logic behind MGTOW’s, like okay, good for you!…….uh, why are you still here?
Elam really does sound like a tinpot dictator with this spiel.
And “venting” is “release.”
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=venting
Small request: can “bitches” not be used as an insult or descriptor please. It’s the more common insult that was used when I was younger, both to indicate displeasure with the female and also to negate what a female was saying.