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MGTOWforums goes away — or does it?

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A bit of drama in the land of misogyny: The guy behind MGTOWforums.com, the leading site devoted to so-called Men Going Their Own Way and one of the most reliable purveyors of highly mockable misogyny, has decided to, well, go his own way. (Sorry, I had to.)

Last night, MGTOWforums founder “Nacho Vidal” (not the real porn star) took the forums down, replacing them with a rather embittered farewell letter. But as of a few minutes ago, the forums were BACK UP again, albeit with no explanation and no new posts since last night. (Perhaps the site is just going to remain up as an archive?)

More on this as it develops, but in the meantime, let’s take a look at Nacho Vidal’s long goodbye:

For 3 years I’ve worked to build up MGTOW Forums into a force to be reckoned with, but alas it has failed. It has failed because of the very reasons which brought down the previous MGTOW board: inexperienced idiots who were angry at not being able to get laid – betas, zetas, red pills and the rest of the rubbish.

Oh, we’re off to a good start here.

Vidal explained that he was angry not just at the “fools … psychos [and] incels … who vocally supported other places, that I won’t mention” but at the “so called supporters” on his own forums who

found it just fine for our competitors to constantly attack us whilst they themselves used rhetoric such as “we’re all in it together” and “we’re all after the same thing” when clearly we were not.

I assume that one of the “other places” he’s talking about here is A Voice for Men, which has recently tried to brand itself as a site for MGTOWers, and has not been shy about trashing other MGTOW sites. He probably also meant PUAhate, a site that attacks MGTOWers as well as PUAs, but unfortunately in some pretty misogynistic ways.

As someone who has always stood up against bullies, I thought my own energy to go head to head with such people would be appreciated. But instead I found myself surrounded by fools who were more concerned with likening our way of life to a fantasy sci-fi flick? The same fools then wondered why folk like Manboobz, who was more friendly to us than our enemies, constantly mocked them?

Aw, a little shoutout. In my defense, I wasn’t really trying to be friendly. I was just doing my normal thing of quoting people saying terrible things and mostly letting their terrible quotes do the talking.

Well today is MGTOW Forum’s 3rd birthday and quite frankly the vast majority of you deserve what’s out there. For me, things have got to the point where I recognise there is no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world. However, MGTOW seems to be a successful concept for incels and psychos so that is where I’m going to leave it.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure the reason that there’s “no support for taking MGTOW Forums into the wider world” is that MGTOWers are pretty much all a bunch of hateful assholes, and that whenever “the wider world” hears what MGTOWers have to say, the “wider world” either gasps in disgusted amazement or bursts out laughing.

After thanking some of the MGTOWforums posters he actually liked, he continued with his rant:

When the curtain falls it is time to get off the stage and that is what I propose to do. I’ll leave you all to wallow in the Red Pill and Alpha/Beta/Zeta fantasy garbage which was our downfall. …

As of yesterday, our average daily traffic was in excess of 6,000 unique visits per day. So I was doing something right eh? Meh…very few of you were worth the effort.

Good luck and time for me to Go My Own Way

Adios and fuck off

The reaction from A Voice for Men — the site that would be king of the MGTOWers — has been predictable. In a gloating, self-aggrandizing post that may be the least-self-aware piece of writing I have ever seen on the internet, Elam snorts:

Good riddance.

Allow me to qualify. I am sure there were men who actually benefited from involvement in MGTOW Forums. There is great need for the MGTOW philosophy, which is powerful in these times, with comparatively few outlets. The truth, even when served up on a trash can lid by idiots, is a powerful thing.

But I never had the belief that MGTOW was really about what happened at MGTOW Forums, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Nacho Vidal’s standards.

Uh, Paul, dude. I hate to break it to you, but if you replace a few strategic words in that last paragraph, you’ve written a perfect description of your own site:

But I never had the belief that the Men’s Rights movement was really about what happened at A Voice for Men, which amounted to one rolling “cunts and whores” diatribe after another, spiced only with vicious attacks on men who were deemed less than worthy by Paul Elam’s standards.

Here are some “cunts” diatribes from A Voice for Men, including one in which a regular contributor declared that “[w]omen are facing a very real and grave problem in our culture: They are obnoxious cunts.”  And here are some “whore” diatribes, including the one in which Elam himself used the word whore more than two dozen times). As for deeming some men “less than worthy,” you may recall Elam’s infamous post in which he told men who were suffering to “fuck off” if they hadn’t already donated money and/or volunteer labor to Elam and his website.

He continues:

I never thought, and I still don’t, that self-consuming bitterness was required to Go Your Own Way. Venting? Sure. And by god, MGTOW Forums was good for that. Problem is, venting without release or healing is not really venting.

Not a lot of healing going on at A Voice for Men, dude. Not a lot of anything other than angry ranting, endless fundraising, harassment campaigns, and a lot of self-congratulation.

Elam ends the post with a bit of the latter, patting himself on the back for his expert leadership at AVFM.

But his victory celebration may be a bit premature. At least three new MGTOW forums have sprung up overnight. like poisonous mushrooms, in an attempt to fill the void left by MGTOWforums’ demise.

MGTOW — The Red Pill

MGTOW.net forums

Men Going Their Own Way dot Net – Forums

And we’ll have to see if the old MGTOWforums remains up as well.

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HeatherN
6 years ago

Quite literally laughing out loud reading the bits from Elam’s response.

Basically amounts to: ‘Hello pot, my name is kettle.’

kittehserf
6 years ago

So all those individual, short-lived flounces from MGTOW trolls we’ve had here have now formed a mega-flounce-fail (or is that meta) on their precious forum?

Perfect.

And “our lifestyle”? What lifestyle? How are their lives different from anyone else who’s not partnered? Is he claiming that keyboard rageboner priapism is a lifestyle?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Sigh. Every time I think they’re finally going to Go Their Own Damn Way, they come back to lecture, finger-wave, and berate some more.

Oh well, at least they’re only doing it to each other this time…

Robert Ramirez
6 years ago

A house divided shall never stand. I personally like their infighting and I think Elam views many other MRA sites as competitors for attention and the many fund drives that AVfM has.

Timothy Byrne (@TByrne75)

i made the mistake of clicking through to the AVfM link, and now see that A Voice for Men (Australia) has just started! *shudder*.

I knew I smelled something rank in the air…

Lili Fugit
Lili Fugit
6 years ago

I think it’s funny that they can somehow distinguish each other’s brand of stupidity, because they all sound exactly the same to me.

kittehserf
6 years ago

i made the mistake of clicking through to the AVfM link, and now see that A Voice for Men (Australia) has just started! *shudder*.

I knew I smelled something rank in the air…

WUT

I thought that was smoke from the bushfires

🙁

Timothy Byrne (@TByrne75)

I’m strongly reminded of the Judean Peoples’s Front v People’s Front of Judea skirmish in Life of Brian…

Robert Ramirez
6 years ago

Suicide Squad Leader: We are the Judean People’s Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad, attack!
[they all stab themselves]
Suicide Squad Leader: That showed ’em, huh?

Mnemosyne
Mnemosyne
6 years ago

MRAs are fighting each other. I’ll go grab some popcorn. This is gonna be good!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Deoridhe
6 years ago

Damn, when a movement has “location of post” as the sole shibboleth between multiple “branches”…. just… wow.

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

@Timothy
Where are they based in Australia? I don’t want to go find the info for myself.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Are there any MRAs capable of forming peer-to-peer alliances? The only group that seem to have stuck together for any length of time is the one at AVFM, and it clearly operates on a top-down model with Elam’s word as law.

Timothy Byrne (@TByrne75)

@Kim They are at au.avoiceformen.com. The page has the usual rubbish about the ‘oppression of men etc.

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

Heeheeheee…. The MRM, gentlefolk! A circle-jerk built on mutual loathing.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

“What are you doing?”
“I’m going my own way! Don’t try to stop me!”



“Wait, are you still here?”
“I SAID don’t try to stop me!”

Adelaide
6 years ago

I saw the link to A Voice for Men (Australia) and it made me very sad. Please, no.

I’d be happy to take another month of non-stop horrible hot weather (which I intensely dislike) if it meant AVFM Aus would disappear.

Also, I don’t post very often and have been lurking for ages now, but I’d just like to say how much I appreciate the site and the intelligent commenters here. 🙂

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

@Timothy
Ah ok. I thought maybe they had like a physical office or something. The Men’s Rights Agency that I knew about already is based really close to me *shudder*.

tormos
tormos
6 years ago

how was the title for this not “MGTOWforums go their own way”? Come on, Futrelle

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

The same fools then wondered why folk like Manboobz, who was more friendly to us than our enemies

Well then.

Also, this is a video of penguins fighting:

It is absolutely amazing, since they put virtually no effort into it. They just kind of squawk at each other and flip their flippers around at each other, occasionally making contact, and not very hard, either. Just a “pop.” And then at some point, they just decide it’s over and just walk away. And if you notice in the background, all those penguins are just looking away, as if it’s embarrassing to even watch. Why does this remind me of MRA fights?

cloudiah
6 years ago

And Cthulhu’s Intern, that may be the most realistic depiction of a MRM slap-fight that I’ve ever seen.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

@kittehs:

Is he claiming that keyboard rageboner priapism is a lifestyle?

If they’re only hitting one key at a time, one would expect their spelling to be better. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase “hunt and peck…”

/chortle

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

Also, I just realized something with my video: What would Tom Martin think of me comparing MRAs to penguins?

kittehserf
6 years ago

Nah, those penguins are too classy and casual about the whole thing to be fighting MRA style.

::assumes David Attenborough voice::

Fighting for rank between MRAs in the wild is a peculiar blend of intensity and inconsequence. There is much enraged screeching, and great effort is put into slapping each other, yet after the fight very little appears to have changed. The combatants retreat to preen, and each seems to think he has won. Yet this sound and fury has no effect on the rest of the herd, and, indeed, they take very little notice.

canuck_with_pluck
canuck_with_pluck
6 years ago

MGTOW all seem to remind me of children threatening to run away.

“I’m really going to do it this time! And you’ll be sorry you were mean to me!”

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

I wish they would hold their breath instead….

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

Crap, I mean the MRA/MGTOWs, not the children obviously (I hope, obviously).

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

I thought that was smoke from the bushfires

Snap!!

contrapangloss
6 years ago

::assumes David Attenborough voice::

Fighting for rank between MRAs in the wild is a peculiar blend of intensity and inconsequence. There is much enraged screeching, and great effort is put into slapping each other, yet after the fight very little appears to have changed. The combatants retreat to preen, and each seems to think he has won. Yet this sound and fury has no effect on the rest of the herd, and, indeed, they take very little notice.

::snorts::

I really want to hear/watch that documentary now…

Thanks Kittehs!

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Eep! Just got eaten by blockquote monster. Whoops!

🙁

kittehserf
6 years ago

A wild blockquote monster strikes! No wonder, it’s been hungry lately. I’ve been cheating it of its meals, muahahahahaha!

But take heart, being eaten by the blockquote monster is a sign of being a True Manboobzer. It’s like the initiation.

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

I have yet to be eaten by the blockquotes monster. Am I not a True Manboobzer?

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

It prefers virgin commentators.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

Crap, the thinko monster has me again… as in commentators who haven’t commented before.

kittehserf
6 years ago

::looks sidelong at Cthulhu’s Intern::

You’re not cheating like LBT does, are you?

That, or maybe it’s intimidated by your nym.

kittehserf
6 years ago

I knew what you meant, Kiwi girl (not sure if that’s good or bad … )

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

Now, I’m going to try and make an extremely complicated blockquote formation in an attempt to be eaten.

Well, here’s the beginning. There should be one right under me…

Alright, here I am, so far so good.

Now, let’s make things a bit harder. There will be two blockquotes under me.

I’m #1!

Yeah, but I’m on top of it!

Well, I hope everything’s going well so far. Now, time to get crazier. There shall be four under me, two disconnected subquotes within the first one, followed by another one.

Let’s do this.

Yeah, sure.

I’ll bite.

Look, at me.

No, at me!

If this goes right, do I win?
Am I a false manboobzer?

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
6 years ago

It’s the feminazi hive mind. I had to put in that explanation for the non-feminazis.

AIT
AIT
6 years ago

Hey, kittehserf, speaking of documentaries, I haven’t been able to find the Making Shit Up thread you mentioned, could you possibly link it for me? Or just give me the article title?

kittehserf
6 years ago

::applauds::

Cthulhu’s Intern wins an internets for outstanding self-sacrifice in feeding the blockquote monster!

AIT – I’ll have to scramble around a bit to remember where it was. It’s from a couple of years back, before I was posting here, and I can’t remember offhand what the thread was. I’ll let you know when I find it.

ThermionicTriode
ThermionicTriode
6 years ago

(Hello, all; long-time lurker, first time poster, decloaking off the starboard bow to post the following…)

Clicking through the links to those new fora — against medical advice — I was struck by the manifesto on one of those new boards, specifically the final clause:

“7/ No individual or group of individuals will hold the power to shut down or delete the site, or to delete content except for the _normal and valid actions_ of those who may from time to time serve as Moderators.” (Emphasis mine.)

Because, you know, a normal and valid action will be immediately and universally recognizable as such. No need to unpack that one. Nope.

Later on, someone compares the manifesto to Asimov’s laws of robotics. *headdesks into unconsciousness*

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

Wait, how did I feed it? The monster seemed to completely ignore me, even though I covered myself in monster bait and held a flashing sign that said “EAT ME” over my head.

kittehserf
6 years ago

It’s a miracle! I actually had the sense to bookmark that page last time I read it. Wonders never cease, etc.

Here’s where it starts:

http://manboobz.com/2012/01/19/the-spearhead-accidentally-gives-men-some-good-advice-about-rape/comment-page-2/#comment-113631

kittehserf
6 years ago

I thought it had eaten you with all those nested blockquotes!

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

Oh, and by the way, David once uppercut a horse and invented the giraffe while we’re at it.

AIT
AIT
6 years ago

Standing by! I could also ad-lib with stuff I’ve seen from the last couple months, but if that’s the better stuff, I’ll wait patiently. I’d rather give it the best effort I can. In the mean, I’ll just indulge in more True Facts videos and imagine that voice talking about the fights amongst the manosphere.

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

They were intentional. It looks exactly like I was intending to look at it.

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