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Some of the comments I don’t let through

How comments are moderated at Man Boobz.
How comments are moderated at Man Boobz.

So I had to re-ban a couple of long-banned trolls today, who had returned with new names and slightly different IP addresses but who gave themselves away with their behavior. And that got me thinking about the people — well, the MRAs and PUAs and other such charming folks — who regularly denounce me as an evil censor of FREE SPEECH.

In fact, when I ban people, I do so for good reasons: one of the two trolls I banned today was a longtime MRAish commenter here who eventually creeped everyone out by boasting about having sex with underage prostitutes; the other was a man of many sockpuppets known for angry, abusive meltdowns full of slurs.

Anyway, so I thought I’d give you all a glimpse into my “trash” folder. Here’s a sampling of comments from would-be first time commenters at Man Boobz that I felt would not add anything to the discourse here. But in the interests of FREE SPEECH I thought I’d give these “ideas” an airing today.

TRIGGER WARNING for violent and offensive language. (Sorry about the quality of the last two; you can click on them to see larger versions.)

You people are such wankers. MGTOW is the best thing that ever happened. Personally, i despise women and would gladly see them all die horribly. This site is not only run bu a pathetic, wretched little scum, but populated by ones as well.Sad to say. But I see many good men get hurt by women. I feel not one drop of sympathy for any women who gets hurt, Beatin up or treated like shit. Cheers you dumb bitch.censored1censored2

Not all of the comments I trash are quite this awful. Some are only mildly violent or abusive. I tend to be a bit picky with people’s first comments, assuming that if someone posts a shitty first comment it’s not likely to get any better after that. There are a few banned commenters who stop by and try to post anyway, including one fellow who leaves endless comments trying to prove, as far as I can tell, that teenage girls are objectively hotter than women in their twenties and older.

And, of course, there are comments targeting individual women, whether these are giant cut-and-pasted rants about Anita Sarkeesian, vaguely threatening remarks aimed at other well-known internet feminists, or bizarre sexual comments about female MRAs from fans of theirs.

Once in a while I will get a comment from a feminist that resorts to violent language; I don’t let those comments through either.

And then there are the pictures people try to post in the comments. Below, one of the ones I actually let through, depicting me in a dress with some extremely tall dude. A quick Google image search reveals that it was originally posted online by regular A Voice for Men contributor Janet Bloomfield, in a blog post of hers from last year on Disney princesses. Stay classy, Men’s “Human Rights” Movement!

I don't actually own a dress like this.
I don’t actually own a dress like this.

Anyway, the pictures I don’t let through are worse.

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tcwill00
tcwill00
6 years ago

@kittehs: FFXIV is Final Fantasy XIV, a video game.

“Final” is misleading because the company that developed the first game was going under, “Final Fantasy” was a black joke at the time. Guess how the company got hauled into financial success.

14 is misleading because there have been way more than 14 games with Final Fantasy slapped on them.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Ah, atomicwheelchair left a few more turds in an otherwise pleasant thread:

RV is a mathematical concept of essentially the number of future offspring that can be expected from a female of a given age.

Uh-huh. And what’s the formula for figuring out a woman’s RV?

It’s an observational fact that the males in our species have a big interest in female youth and virginity.

“It’s an observable fact” is a fancy way of saying “I’m talking out my ass.”

The most popular age bracket in the porn industry is the teens, in primitive tribes adolescent girls are the most sought after brides, in fairy tales and mythologies all over the world young virgin girls are held in extremely high regard etc, etc, etc.

Bonus points for tying porno, “primitive” societies, and fairy tales all together. But seriously, citation, citation, citation. Plus, ew, creepy “barely legal” porno is your “proof?” And “primitive” societies? You mean present hunter-gatherer societies, which have the undergone the same thousands or so years of development along with the rest of us, so really aren’t some magical window into the past? Those societies?

Now, it seems to me a more likely explanation for society “valuing” female virginity is, back in the day before paternity tests, it was impossible to tell who had fathered which child, and if you run your society in a patrilineal way, it’s very important to know who the father is. And the only way to know that is to put societal strictures on women’s sexuality to ensure that most women will be virgins when married, so (theoretically, anyway) we know who the father of her children is. Of course, one of the many ways to control women is to police their sexuality. And said society also has to view women and children as property rather than people. But I digress.

Now this is something that requires a biological explanation.

No, it doesn’t. It doesn’t at all, when sociological explanations are so much simpler and direct and don’t require “just-so” stories.

Why do so many men like them young?

Because they’re creeps?

The most likely explanation is our mating system that involves long term bonds between males and females. It looks like the males in our species have evolved to choose females mainly for long term relationships and to try and get as many offspring from them over the long term. Under this strategy the best females to go for are those that are young and haven’t started reproducing yet so all of their breeding years with which they can give a man offspring still lie in her future. Any fertile years that lie in her past can no longer be accessed by her husband.

Again, this is nothing but a “just-so” story. Besides, I thought men evolved to “spread their seed” and therefore have to have sex with as many women as possible.

I always like how these evo-psych explanations always assume that human evolution just stopped somewhere back in the Stone Age, and we haven’t been evolving since.

tl;dr: Citation needed!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Kittenserf,
Seconding catgirl.

🙂

wewereemergencies
wewereemergencies
6 years ago

Oh no! I swear there was an “e” on the end of “her”. I feel like such a failure now.

@Sam

I dunno, I mean I’ve been welcomed by like 3 people here (and thank you for the welcome *beams*) and all I’ve done was a) not insult people and b) comment about animals.

Maybe try that? I mean, I thought that was Basic Human Interaction, but I might be missing something.

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@LBT

I used to aspire to join the SFWA, but I have found myself less and less impressed with them as I’ve learned of their bullshittery.

Possibly silly question, but what’s SFWA?

kittehserf
6 years ago

Marie – Science Fiction Writers of America, I think.

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@kittehs

Kk. Thanks for answering :3

kittehserf
6 years ago

No worries! 🙂

Nitram
Nitram
6 years ago

Has anyone remarked yet about David being portrayed as “Beauty”. Is this supposed to be an insult?

Also David, 7th ing, or 8th ing my gratitude for this blog. Sometimes I have to take a break from it because I find myself wondering which men among us are MRAs or just generally feeling down about all the hate. You wade through this every day and you are the front line to the most heinous comments. I hope it doesn’t personally take a toll on you. Also you are hilarious and a genius at mockery and you always have the PERFECT image with the PERFECT caption for every blog posts. In short; you rock.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

@ sparky

“Ah, atomicwheelchair left a few more turds in an otherwise pleasant thread:”

What!? Where!? <__>

Seriously, I don’t know a single evolutionary biologist who would give this turd factory the time of day.

Yeah, yeah, we’re all ‘hard wired’ animals, donchyaknow? (Never mind that the ‘hard wired’ theory has since been debunked, but whatevs).

Totally SCIENCE based theory of truthiness, full of truth:

We’re all programmed by biology to find the bulbous heads and large eyes of kittens and puppies irresistibly cute and it allows our Furinatti Overlords to rule over us even when they are at their most vulnerable (infancy) and will help ensure continued servitude into the future even as they age. A human’s cuteness susceptibility factor is directly related to the amount of time they spend being groomed by the Furinatti when they are young, ie: children growing up in a household with one or more Furinatti Overlords will be more likely to be owned by Furnatti Overlords in adulthood.

SCIENCE!!

kittehserf
6 years ago

::bows down before Furrinati Overlords::

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

… have I been spelling Furrinati wrong this whole time?

Oh, noes. Don’t tell them. I’m already slated for Cat Anger Consequences later because I ran out of the customary (read: mandatory) nightly wet foods. =^.^=

sparky
sparky
6 years ago
fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

@ sparky

Thanks. How in gods’ name did I miss that? Comment approval delay?

Whatevs, unoriginal troll is unoriginal.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Furinatti is when they’re smartly dressed but angry anyway.

http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1363549050824528.jpg

Sam-I-Was?
Sam-I-Was?
6 years ago

Sam, as someone who shares the name, please for the love of ceiling cat, if you are serious about joining the community stop typing and start reading. But since I’m pretty sure you just want to whine about how the evil manboobzers are shutting you out, go pound salt. Here’s a hint, if you say something offensive the adult action is to figure out why what you said is offensive and the troll answer is to stick your fingers in your ears and declare everyone else as a meenie of the hive mind.

Just an FYI

House Mouse Queen
6 years ago

Hi ppl! I empathize with you David re: the crazy comments and mail you get. One of my vids on YT about those MGTOW dudes brought Paul Elam to the yard.

I love how Paul is using the collapse of the forum to promote his place. I love when the commenters were going on and on about how AVFM doesn’t like nor promote misogyny.

Even though, like you, I wade through this crap every day, I’m still always surprised at how much lower the bar goes with these dudes.

Sam-I-Was?
Sam-I-Was?
6 years ago

Kitteh,

I so love that link & the new picture of Mr. K…I’m just saying if you ever release a calendar where he is featured I’ll definitely order one 🙂

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Hey, Atomic Creeper! One does not “acquire” sexual partners, unless one is a rapist.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Kitteh,

I so love that link & the new picture of Mr. K…I’m just saying if you ever release a calendar where he is featured I’ll definitely order one 🙂

BWAHAHAHHAA I could make a small fortune doing that, given how many friends I’ve had who’ve lusted after him/think he’s serious eye candy.

Could be a bit of trouble with copyright and stock pics, though!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

“Acquiring” someone for the purposes of making them bear your children would be human trafficking. Just so we’re clear.

BTW, did I mention that you’re a creeper?

kittehserf
6 years ago

OT

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeee my new glasses will be ready in an hour!!!eleventy!

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Has anyone remarked yet about David being portrayed as “Beauty”. Is this supposed to be an insult?

By MRA lights, yes. It’s an allusion to his mangina-hood, or manginosity, or some such. Basically, anything they say about being pro-equality dies when one of them talks like that, because they’re clearly tipping their hand as profoundly sexist and misogynous. Only a woman-hater thinks that being called a “girl” or likened to a woman in any way is an insult.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Who is the Beast supposed to be, though? Theories?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Teen porn = biology? Then why is there a large amount of “MILF” porn? Also young males watch porn too, so the audience isn’t entirely made of significantly older males watching young females.

Not only that, but if a young guy’s first experiences with porn are in his early to mid-teens (and a lot of them start even younger than that), then he is by definition getting aroused by older women. Which, I take it, is what is meant by “MILF” (a maddeningly vague and more than a wee bit ooky term if ever there was one).

Not to mention that there are plenty of young men well out of their teens who find women older than themselves mighty attractive anyway. Some of them older by decades, even. What biological explanation could there be for that, I wonder?

>crickets from Atomic Pervert<

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

And hair horns. He’s a giant, much less cool Bjork.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Who is the Beast supposed to be, though? Theories?

No idea. I wouldn’t have known Beauty was meant to be David if that scrawl hadn’t been labelled.

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Sam-I-Was — N@? You from the ‘Burgh? Spent 7 years there, love it!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I love how part of BeautyDavid’s hair is sort of fuzzy, but another part looks like sideways eyelashes superimposed over the fuzzy part.

kittehserf
6 years ago

I want to know what sort of stamps she thinks people use for blusher. It’s not just the bright pink, it’s the shape – square blusher? Wut?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

It’s very important that your blusher be florescent, so that people can you see at night.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

I want to know what sort of stamps she thinks people use for blusher. It’s not just the bright pink, it’s the shape – square blusher? Wut?

That may be how SHE applies it, but that’s not how anyone else does it…outside of a kewpie doll factory, anyway.

zippydoo
zippydoo
6 years ago

I love how evo-psych explanations always assume a rigid gender binary, modern Western culture, and patriarchy for all of history. Usually to assert an immoral stance as if humans still react on instinct alone. It’s all echo-chamber cherry-picked pseudo science.

Actual reality, on the other hand, not so much. Preferred waist-hip ratios, fertility goddess, MILF and BBW and just about any other porn categories, cultures that don’t view breasts as sexual, polygamy, third genders, matriarchal societies, the extremely wide variety of beauty ideals culturally and historically… while any particular instance may be explained as a man attracted to fertility markers, the sheer stupidity of trying to make it one marker only for all time for all men should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Heck, recent surveys in modern Western society have men putting 29 as the most attractive age for women. It must be real embarrassing for the ones putting down 14 and realising that actually, no, it isn’t common.

kittehserf
6 years ago

That may be how SHE applies it, but that’s not how anyone else does it…outside of a kewpie doll factory, anyway.

But but but isn’t judgytwitch a superior feMRA who doesn’t go in for all that dreadful deceitful entrapment stuff?

Maybe she’s like the duders who think women should look “natural” and apparently have no idea when they’re looking at a face with makeup anyway.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Heck, recent surveys in modern Western society have men putting 29 as the most attractive age for women. It must be real embarrassing for the ones putting down 14 and realising that actually, no, it isn’t common.

29? Wow. That’s four years more than the “expiration” date favored by PUAs! And more than double the “nubile” ideal of pervs like our trollish interlocutor above. I guess they SHOULD be ashamed, but somehow I doubt they are…because they haven’t got the mental and moral wherewithal for that.

SpleenyBaggage
6 years ago

@Zippydoo: I doubt they’re embarrassed – more likely, they probably think all those other guys are lying ’cause hey, everyone knows 14 year olds are totally hot, right?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

But but but isn’t judgytwitch a superior feMRA who doesn’t go in for all that dreadful deceitful entrapment stuff?

Maybe she’s like the duders who think women should look “natural” and apparently have no idea when they’re looking at a face with makeup anyway.

Oh, I’m sure they (feMRAs) are just as much into “entrapment” as anyone, and probably more so than most women. But they’re also much more stinkingly hypocritical about it, because Special Snowflakes. So they’re probably perpetuating that not-so-natural “natural” look thing that’s got the d00ds so goshdarn confused.

See how that works?

Sam-I-Was?
Sam-I-Was?
6 years ago

@Argenti-born & bred. Moved back after a few years away. What can I say there is something about pronouncing all of the syllables in downtown that just rub me the wrong way. LOL

Fromafar2013
Fromafar2013
6 years ago

@ zippydoo

IKR! It’s almost like humans (and other animals) evolved BRAINS capable of making decisions separate from or even (gasp) contrary to the pull of our genes. You mean not all complex behavior can be distilled down and explained by selective pressure alone? But…but… Culture isn’t science! The humanities and social sciences are for feeeeeemales and manginas!

Seriously, though. We are all capable of being more than our genotypes. I for one don’t plan to have kids, making my genetic legacy a dead end. If my genes could scream in terror… Yet I have made the decision regardless of my supposedly innate biological drive to reproduce. Yeah, we are not our genetic code.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

@sam-I-was

Yay, lots of yinzers on manboobz! That makes at least three for sure…

Btw, jeetyet? 😉

Howabout dem Stillers? Lol.

Falconer
6 years ago

For what it’s worth, I think a lot of this lusting-after-teens that gets aired out is rooted in the formative years of the lusters’ own sexuality. Yeah, they look at pr0n, but they also get crushes and lust after classmates.

It’s natural and good for a teen to want to have sex with other teens.

The problem comes when people grow up and fail to grow out of lusting-after-teens, which I admit doesn’t happen over night.

Sam-I-Was?
Sam-I-Was?
6 years ago

@fromafar2013

Yeah picksburgers! I’ll redd up fer da stiller game. 🙂 Need to pick up some arn first, Wah do yinz want from Primanti’s?

Says the woman that 15 yrs after been made to talk pittsburghese for spouse still gets a kick from it. East Liberty is in fact one syllable, South Side & North Side are still 2 syllables, I shop at Jine Igl and no sandwich is complete without french fries. 😀

Translation for those not lucky enough to be from or spend time in Pittsburgh.

Yeah, people from Pittsburgh. I’ll clean up before the Steelers game (American football team with 6 Super Bowl wins). I need to pick up some Iron City (local beer). What do you want from Primantis’s (local restaurant that has awesome sandwiches)

And Pittsburghese is in fact a recognized language, well worth the google 🙂

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

Ssssslibertee. Lol. And I’ve gotten to calling it THE igl. Dropping the jine all together 😉

Last time I ate at primanti’s I got sick, but I still love those nasty greasy cheese fries. Mmmmm cheese fries. I don’t mean to speak picksburgeese but I find myself slipping up. I’ve been using ‘slippy’ entirely too much lately, in fact.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

I admit, I used to ogle teenagers. When I WAS a teenager. I think there’s a rule of thumb for that – half your age plus seven. So you can lust after fourteen year old humans when you yourself are fourteen. And I’m okay with that. At this point, my cutoff (by that rule) is thirty.

And that’s real.

Sam-I-Was?
Sam-I-Was?
6 years ago

At some point if you’re interested I’ll share the story on how saying “I’m just nebbin'” almost got me arrested. 🙂 Who knew that outside of Pennsylvania no one had the foggiest idea of what being nebby or nebbin’ was!

And I’ll admit that it’s The Igl for me as well, Not a big fan of Primanti’s but still would walk a mile for the “O” fries. Ah college, cheap beer & cheap fries.

Of course it’s slippy, Have Yinz been out on da street????

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
6 years ago

Ooh, story! I wanna hear. I think I have trouble telling it apart from English sometimes too. Once I called someone a jag off (cause they were totes being a jag off!) and their reaction was:

0_o 0_o 0_o Wut?

neuroticbeagle
6 years ago

… have I been spelling Furrinati wrong this whole time?

Don’t worry, the Furrinati doesn’t care about mere human spelling. On not having the nightly wet cat food, otoh, you should be worried. Be very worried.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Huh. I’m from the Pittsburgh area too. Anyone could do a lot worse than a Primanti Brother’s fish sandwich — the bread is actually wonderful.

The mistrust of make-up is very strange to me. When I swipe some lipstick on, it’s generally because I love the color and it cheers me up. I don’t assume people will think it’s my natural lip color. And that’s OK because I’m not looking for a head pat. To me make-up is art supplies people use for their own enjoyment.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
6 years ago

@fromafar I would totally be up for meeting in game, if you happen to be on Goblin.

Didn’t mean to use jargon. but ya FFXIV. I played the original for a bit, but it was a real slog. I am much happier with 2.0+.

Only 34 levels from paragon’s crown! You get it for capping all the adventurer classes. (I have no life, but more of a lie than some.)

marinaliteyears
marinaliteyears
6 years ago

Only tangentially related to the article, but.. I like how people act like your somehow impeding free speech if you don’t personally provide a venue for them to use said free speech. I ran into that problem myself In the past.

Dear people who wanna say -ist Stuff on websites and cry ‘blocking free speech’ whenever someone rightfully bans you.

Free speech doesn’t obligate someone to provide for you a place to talk. If someone on a website does not want your ‘free speech’ on their website, they are not obligated to host it. In such a case, the right to free speech isn’t being hindered, since nothing is stopping you from posting what you have to say elsewhere, or even make your OWN website/blog to host your hate speech. Heck, even if you were NOT spewing vile crap, no one is obligated to give you space to speak. Again, you can at any point you choose, make a blog of your own to do just that.

Not very fond of you,
me,