So I had to re-ban a couple of long-banned trolls today, who had returned with new names and slightly different IP addresses but who gave themselves away with their behavior. And that got me thinking about the people — well, the MRAs and PUAs and other such charming folks — who regularly denounce me as an evil censor of FREE SPEECH.
In fact, when I ban people, I do so for good reasons: one of the two trolls I banned today was a longtime MRAish commenter here who eventually creeped everyone out by boasting about having sex with underage prostitutes; the other was a man of many sockpuppets known for angry, abusive meltdowns full of slurs.
Anyway, so I thought I’d give you all a glimpse into my “trash” folder. Here’s a sampling of comments from would-be first time commenters at Man Boobz that I felt would not add anything to the discourse here. But in the interests of FREE SPEECH I thought I’d give these “ideas” an airing today.
TRIGGER WARNING for violent and offensive language. (Sorry about the quality of the last two; you can click on them to see larger versions.)
Not all of the comments I trash are quite this awful. Some are only mildly violent or abusive. I tend to be a bit picky with people’s first comments, assuming that if someone posts a shitty first comment it’s not likely to get any better after that. There are a few banned commenters who stop by and try to post anyway, including one fellow who leaves endless comments trying to prove, as far as I can tell, that teenage girls are objectively hotter than women in their twenties and older.
And, of course, there are comments targeting individual women, whether these are giant cut-and-pasted rants about Anita Sarkeesian, vaguely threatening remarks aimed at other well-known internet feminists, or bizarre sexual comments about female MRAs from fans of theirs.
Once in a while I will get a comment from a feminist that resorts to violent language; I don’t let those comments through either.
And then there are the pictures people try to post in the comments. Below, one of the ones I actually let through, depicting me in a dress with some extremely tall dude. A quick Google image search reveals that it was originally posted online by regular A Voice for Men contributor Janet Bloomfield, in a blog post of hers from last year on Disney princesses. Stay classy, Men’s “Human Rights” Movement!
Anyway, the pictures I don’t let through are worse.
@cassandrakitty
“Questions? Why are you such a creep? Why do you think people should accept your attempt to justify pedophilia? Why do you like to Google yourself so much (which is presumably how you found this post)?”
It’s an observational fact that the males in our species have a big interest in female youth and virginity. The most popular age bracket in the porn industry is the teens, in primitive tribes adolescent girls are the most sought after brides, in fairy tales and mythologies all over the world young virgin girls are held in extremely high regard etc, etc, etc.
Now this is something that requires a biological explanation. Why do so many men like them young? The most likely explanation is our mating system that involves long term bonds between males and females. It looks like the males in our species have evolved to choose females mainly for long term relationships and to try and get as many offspring from them over the long term. Under this strategy the best females to go for are those that are young and haven’t started reproducing yet so all of their breeding years with which they can give a man offspring still lie in her future. Any fertile years that lie in her past can no longer be accessed by her husband.
Using modern-day foraging societies as a guide the best estimate of the typical age a prehistoric girl would’ve started reproducing is about 17. This age would have been like a deadline for a man wanting to take her as a bride. In order to maximize the number of offspring he got from her, he would have to acquire her before this age so that the whole of her reproductive lifespan still lay ahead of her. The male instinct to acquire females before the age of about 17 that evolved in prehistoric times when teenage pregnancy was the norm is what most likely accounts for the popularity of adolescent girls in the sex industries today.
BTW I didn’t find this thread by googling myself, I posted up one of images here earlier today.
I nominate “misogyny makes people stupid” as the subject for the graphs.
A relevant graph – http://cheezburger.com/1478612736
When I read “sex market”, I immediately thought of Rossetti’s poem “Goblin Market”. Also, why do people not realize that “Lolita” is a horror story and Humbert Humbert is the monster? That is, wastes of carbon like Atomic Wheelchair.
Ok, I’ll play: What units is “reproductive value” measured in, and how exactly is it measured?
We should totally make fake graphs.
Also, ew, a pedo visited the thread? Get the (brain) bleach — we need sanitization procedures, STAT!
@quantumscale, I think the units must be pert boobies. (Link is SFW.)
@Robert, I think people like Atomic Wheelchair read Lolita as a “how to” guide. 0_o
It’s been a while since I took a biology so correct me if I’m wrong here. It’s my understanding that peak genetic fitness is at the start of sexual maturity because that’s when an individual has the potential for reproducing the most times. Therefore pubescent boys would be at peak fitness in adolescence as well. Yet you never see MRAs suggesting that teen boys are the most desirable since they have so many of their best sperms yet. Also, childbirth is much more dangerous for young girls because they have narrow birth canals and the baby is at higher risk for dying because of the higher risk labor and the tendency for lower birth weights. So it actually isn’t desirable to mate with a 12-16 year old girl because science!!!
Atomic Wheelchair and all his other pedo pervert friends need to stop trying to pretend that science justifies their sick thoughts and predatory behavior. Please stop trying to his on adolescent girls. I started getting street harassment at around 13 years old. It wasn’t fun or flattering. It was scary. Pubescent girls aren’t jailbait or Lolitas (since when were those scientific terms Molestic Wheelchair?) they are kids.
One other thing, I wish I had a link, but I remember reading that it was a myth that it was common in medieval Europe for girls to marry as young teenagers. Apparently it was only common for aristocratic families making political marriages. Usually these marriages weren’t consummated right away. Regular girls married at about 18 or so.
One last point. Fertility rates don’t start dropping until a woman is in her mid thirties or early forties. Even then, they don’t drop all that much. It’s complete bullshit that a woman has to start young unless she wants a Duggar size family.
Sorry for the rant. I just hate people who perv on underage girls!
I almost thought that was a joke. “Boobies”? “Breeding years”? This is serious science we are doing here.
That “reproductive value” graph certainly isn’t measuring odds of surviving childbirth, of either party. Middle age women may have trouble getting pregnant, but they don’t die in childbirth at nearly the rate teen girls do. (Among other things) there’s that whole “fully developed pelvis” factor.
@ cloudiah, here’s some red pandas for you
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6GaPkkGZGw?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360%5D
Try again
Ninja’ed
Kittehserf, who is the handsome man in your avatar?
“One other thing, I wish I had a link, but I remember reading that it was a myth that it was common in medieval Europe for girls to marry as young teenagers. Apparently it was only common for aristocratic families making political marriages. Usually these marriages weren’t consummated right away. Regular girls married at about 18 or so.”
I read that it was 21-25 was the average marriage age of women of that period. Talking about how inaccurate GoT is when mirroring an actual medieval society brings up that topic a lot. I’ll have to search for some links in the discussions I now of.
Honestly Atomic Wheelchair, tell us why you really think young girls are attractive. My money’s on the fact that they’re easier to manipulate and abuse.
Oh, I’m quite willing to believe that it’s the not fully mature breasts that he’s attracted to with this one.
To repeat my earlier question – why are you such a creep?
“Actually the RV graph was taken from this book on zoology”
Which is titled ‘Animal Behavior’, not ‘Human Morality’; and the original graph is about fertility, not desirability. Unless you’re specifically out to increase your chances of fathering children, the graph is not really relevant.
I fucking hate with a passion the appeal to nature fallacy.
Go ahead. I’ll be right behind you in my cherry Docs, waiting to give you a swirlie.
“…waiting to give you a swirlie.”
Vomit swirlie! Noooooo! That mental image actually did make me a bit nauseous just now.
http://www.auburn.edu/~mkd0013/yucky-face.jpg
Oh look, it’s another pedo-prostitution monger. What rock do they all crawl out from under?
In countries where maternal mortality is high and women get obstetric fistulas, child brides are very common. Teenagers are not very fit to have children. I had a professor who did studies on teenpregnancies and health and teenage moms usually have the nastiest placenta and umbilical cords due to pregnancy issues because their bodies aren’t ready for children.
Sorry…I just figured our troll needed something real to get sick about. It’s a wicked image, innit?
“does not deserve a man who say is born disabled (…much less a normal man)”
Wow. Really, dude? Really? Peter Dinklage, Ray Charles, and every disabled war vet ever would have your ass for candles. By your words, you obviously don’t deserve their contributions to the world.
I also love how one of them’s idea of an insult is, “You’re attracted to black men and your father abused you for it!” and another is “You dress in pretty gowns!” Fascinating, really. It all boils down to, “You’re not doing what I want you to do, and that’s TERRIBLE!” Men’s rights, indeed… as long as you aren’t an abuse survivor, a wearer of dresses, or a black man. Who here is shocked?
RE: Magpie
I woder what thingo up there has against disabled men
I presume one of us refused to fuck him.
RE: josorio300
You cant point at judgybitch when you have 3 fingers pointing back at u.
What does this even MEAN? Okay, Ashton, put away the camera, we know it’s you!
Does this mean you wear a nightclub dress?! Excuse me im gonna stop posting and go throw up in the restroom…
It’s okay, josorio300. *patpat* I’d vomit from envy too; David would rock that so much better than me.
RE: Ally
I wonder how you react to people who have tattoos.
Weep with sheer frustrated jealousy, I expect. As he should.
RE: AtomicWheelchair
I’m the creator of both of those images.
STOP IT ASHTON. WE KNOW IT’S YOU.
Glad I am not the only one to think the drawing of David was unintentionally adorable. They even gave David kitty paws!
Maybe they are just jealous and their envy came out on accident.