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Men’s Rights White Knights rush in to protect Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan from MRA criticism

Karen Straughan, in an uncharacteristic moment of silence
Karen Straughan, in an uncharacteristic moment of silence

So FeMRA videoblogger Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan flapped her gums for nearly two hours the other night and sounds came out. This time she wasn’t sitting at her kitchen table blabbing to a webcam about female “hypoagency” and regurgitating misremembered factoids about bonobos but was speaking to an audience of mostly white dudes at Ryerson University in Toronto Canada.

I haven’t watched her performance — which is of course online as well — because life is short, and frankly I’d rather endure this for ten hours than subject myself to the tedious GWW for nearly two.

But I did take a look at a thread on the Men’s Rights subreddit started by a dude who hoped he and his fellow MRAs could have “a proper discussion about the talk, pros and cons, without descending into a circlejerk or a downvote party.” That’s right: he actually wanted GWW’s biggest fanboys to discuss her ideas (such as they are) on their merits.

This did not go over very well with the regulars, who jumped up to defend their favorite damsel in distress. ManUpManDown argued against the very notion of criticizing GWW, on the grounds of 1) her being supercool and 2) giving talks is hard:

ManUpManDown 18 points 21 hours ago (30|12)  Ok, I totally understand the good intentions behind, and the theoretical utility of, this thread. But I really don't think this is helpful. Karen has come out of obscurity to being invited to panels with internationally known feminists, all in a very short period of time. Considering everything, she's been awesome, and she was awesome last night, and I am not particularly inclined to start telling her why she's not perfect. Get me? She's not our mascot.
Huh. But by NOT offering any criticism, aren’t you in fact treating her not as a writer or activist or, god forbid, a thinker, but precisely as a mascot?

Still, a few brave MRAs did bring up substantive critiques of her talk. For example, both 2095conash and memetherapy noted that she probably said “Right?” too often. Bluecharge, while proud of her performance, noted with brutal honesty that her “way of wrapping up points by saying ‘so there you go’ was a bit trite.”

So there you go.

Oh, I forgot to mention one dumb criticism some dumb guy made. GWW apparently suggested that if all the men in the world took three days off it would take three years to recover from the disaster that would ensue.

Essemd implied that this was a bit alarmist, arguing that if you gradually replaced men in the workforce with women — over the course of many years — it wouldn’t be the end of the world, because women could do these “men’s jobs” too. “[S]aying either gender is required because this and this job is mainly occupied by men or women is just false,” Essemd concluded.

Luckily there were a few real MRAs around to teach this fella a thing or two. Like Rikevo, who offered the powerful rebuttal that women can’t do shit:

Rikevo 3 points 1 day ago (4|1)  The sectors men occupy which is what keeps society afloat, would collapse if there aren't any men and the likelyhood that women will let alone could do is low given the gendered preferences in the work place.  Feminist would be the last people to even know how to change a tire.Right?

And xNOM had a little list:

xNOM 2 points 1 day ago* (11|9)  What on earth are you talking about.  Without men:      science crippled. almost all major advances done by / creative geniuses are male. yes even today.      no technology. 98% of all patents filed at the EU office in Munich are by men. almost all coders are men. almost all companies that go on to have billion dollar revenues are founded by men.      art crippled. see science, above.      construction of everything crippled      maintainance of everything crippled      firefighting crippled  Without women:      no kids. the end.
So there you go.

NOTE: I actually had that loop of “What is Love” on during most of the writing of this post. Hey, it’s a catchy song.

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

It’s a weird closed logical loop – if a man is getting dates/sex, he’s an asshole, because nice guys don’t get laid, because women prefer assholes.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Your handle seems to keep changing. O_o Is WordPress being a butt?

WordPress is ALWAYS being a butt.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Huh, weird, I don’t see it changing. You mean the name, or the icon is vanishing?

neuroticbeagle
neuroticbeagle
10 years ago

Oh, and seeing him make an elaborate kitty bed that then gets rejected. I confess to being amused by that.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/7b/ba/c1/7bbac1f8c39e0ca437da9f1dcf6dac64.jpg

Tell Sir to try and make a kitty throne using cardboard boxes. They (probably, hopefully) won’t reject that.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: CassandraSays

Your name. It keeps changing between ‘CassandraSays’ and ‘cassandrakitty.’

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Huh. I see nothing but cassandrakitty all the way up the page. Are other people seeing what LBT is seeing?

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Maybe I’m just being stupid and didn’t recognize the changeover; I assumed you meant to be CassandraSays all the way through. Sorry about that!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

No worries, was just wondering if I needed to go put my contacts in.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Now I just feel embarrassed calling you by the old name. <.< Oops.

kittehserf
10 years ago

BWAHAHAHAHAHA I really should suggest a cardboard box throne to him. Love that pic, btw, it says it all about kitties, the little shitbags.

Though if he did make a cardboard anything over there, the other kitties would be lucky to use it before Madame Silverfish ate the damn thing.

takshak
takshak
10 years ago

cats are drama queens? obviously said by someone who has never had a dog. Shameless emotional manipulation, thy name is Fido

tcwill00
tcwill00
10 years ago

“Nice guy finishes last” is actually my number one rule… in bed. It’s generally hard and fast (heh) until Beloved does That One Thing that she knows drives me wild.

kittehserf
10 years ago

takshak – well, cats and dogs, then! 🙂

Falconer – LOL!

kittehserf
10 years ago

Alternatively, nice guys might finish first, but they don’t then roll over and start snoring. 😉

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Nice guys who finish last are far more likely to be invited for a repeat performance, though.

kittehserf
10 years ago

True! But I was thinking of finishing first but going right on attending to someone else’s needs and wants.

(This does not mean “getting up to feed the kitties”, either.)

House Mouse Queen
10 years ago

@Marie

I’m not sure which mechanical schemanical schtuff Karen was talking about since she never quotes the actual researchers. She obviously doesn’t understand confounding variables and the fact that infant gaze times can be interpreted any which way you like.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Hmm…regardless when nice guys finish, they make sure their partner(s) finish too?

takshak
takshak
10 years ago

@ House Mouse Queen: cites & research are unmanly & emotionally manipulative debating tactics. Unlike getting all inchoate & shouty, which is rational & manly & only inferior lady brainz can’t understand that.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@house mouse queen

I’m not sure which mechanical schemanical schtuff Karen was talking about since she never quotes the actual researchers.

kk. Thanks for explaining :3 And I’m not surprised she didn’t quote researchers :/

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Argenti

Hmm…regardless when nice guys finish, they make sure their partner(s) finish too?

If indeed their partners WISH to come! I feel that’s an important addendum.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Good point, LBT!

Nice guys care about it being a happy ending for all concerned, whether or not it’s that happy ending?

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Yes! Perfect.

Falconer
Falconer
10 years ago

Sorry, my rule was obviously far too constrained.

Also, sorry I didn’t say sorry earlier, I was … distracted.

Bina
10 years ago

Oh frack, Ryerson, you let this bunch in to babble? You really have let your standards slip since I was in j-school…

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