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Men’s Rights White Knights rush in to protect Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan from MRA criticism

Karen Straughan, in an uncharacteristic moment of silence
Karen Straughan, in an uncharacteristic moment of silence

So FeMRA videoblogger Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan flapped her gums for nearly two hours the other night and sounds came out. This time she wasn’t sitting at her kitchen table blabbing to a webcam about female “hypoagency” and regurgitating misremembered factoids about bonobos but was speaking to an audience of mostly white dudes at Ryerson University in Toronto Canada.

I haven’t watched her performance — which is of course online as well — because life is short, and frankly I’d rather endure this for ten hours than subject myself to the tedious GWW for nearly two.

But I did take a look at a thread on the Men’s Rights subreddit started by a dude who hoped he and his fellow MRAs could have “a proper discussion about the talk, pros and cons, without descending into a circlejerk or a downvote party.” That’s right: he actually wanted GWW’s biggest fanboys to discuss her ideas (such as they are) on their merits.

This did not go over very well with the regulars, who jumped up to defend their favorite damsel in distress. ManUpManDown argued against the very notion of criticizing GWW, on the grounds of 1) her being supercool and 2) giving talks is hard:

ManUpManDown 18 points 21 hours ago (30|12)  Ok, I totally understand the good intentions behind, and the theoretical utility of, this thread. But I really don't think this is helpful. Karen has come out of obscurity to being invited to panels with internationally known feminists, all in a very short period of time. Considering everything, she's been awesome, and she was awesome last night, and I am not particularly inclined to start telling her why she's not perfect. Get me? She's not our mascot.
Huh. But by NOT offering any criticism, aren’t you in fact treating her not as a writer or activist or, god forbid, a thinker, but precisely as a mascot?

Still, a few brave MRAs did bring up substantive critiques of her talk. For example, both 2095conash and memetherapy noted that she probably said “Right?” too often. Bluecharge, while proud of her performance, noted with brutal honesty that her “way of wrapping up points by saying ‘so there you go’ was a bit trite.”

So there you go.

Oh, I forgot to mention one dumb criticism some dumb guy made. GWW apparently suggested that if all the men in the world took three days off it would take three years to recover from the disaster that would ensue.

Essemd implied that this was a bit alarmist, arguing that if you gradually replaced men in the workforce with women — over the course of many years — it wouldn’t be the end of the world, because women could do these “men’s jobs” too. “[S]aying either gender is required because this and this job is mainly occupied by men or women is just false,” Essemd concluded.

Luckily there were a few real MRAs around to teach this fella a thing or two. Like Rikevo, who offered the powerful rebuttal that women can’t do shit:

Rikevo 3 points 1 day ago (4|1)  The sectors men occupy which is what keeps society afloat, would collapse if there aren't any men and the likelyhood that women will let alone could do is low given the gendered preferences in the work place.  Feminist would be the last people to even know how to change a tire.Right?

And xNOM had a little list:

xNOM 2 points 1 day ago* (11|9)  What on earth are you talking about.  Without men:      science crippled. almost all major advances done by / creative geniuses are male. yes even today.      no technology. 98% of all patents filed at the EU office in Munich are by men. almost all coders are men. almost all companies that go on to have billion dollar revenues are founded by men.      art crippled. see science, above.      construction of everything crippled      maintainance of everything crippled      firefighting crippled  Without women:      no kids. the end.
So there you go.

NOTE: I actually had that loop of “What is Love” on during most of the writing of this post. Hey, it’s a catchy song.

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neuroticbeagle
10 years ago

~runs outside
picks up snow
throws snowballs at kittehs.~

“better now?”- asked oh so innocently.

neuroticbeagle
10 years ago

@kiwi

I believe Argenti is referring to the old Nintendo game character.

Kirby:
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/09/cd/89/09cd898d6be677558e64bb03d9170c1c.jpg

kittehserf
10 years ago

~runs outside
picks up snow
throws snowballs at kittehs.~

“better now?”- asked oh so innocently.

brings in backup

“much better, thanks, and you?”

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

Lovin’ Mr K’s hat. Seriously, I am definitely a hat person since military, and that is a fun hat. Here is another fun hat.

Kinda wish I were back in Ohio, to take advantage of cold weather hats.

neuroticbeagle
10 years ago

brings in Furrinati back up…wait! wait Don’t go back inside!
sigh. beagles.
Good for cleaning dishes and snuggling, not so much for snowball fights.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I totally want to wear a hat like that when I visit the US. Hey, it might be cold enough in Chicago in May, the way your winter’s going!

I’m a hat person too, have been for ages. I had a magnificent black straw number with a lace veil back in my goth days. There’s also my wunnerful red straw hat, to which Mr K’s response when I asked what he thought of it was a sidelong look and “It’s very red.”

Took him two years to admit he didn’t mind the hat really.

kittehserf
10 years ago

LOL she knows where it’s comfier to be!

Plus, she might get run over by Ice Skating Expert Dog Quadrille, who is not noted for looking where he’s going.

neuroticbeagle
10 years ago

She always knows where it is comfy. Pillows, blankets, couches, beds- they all belong to her.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Of course! The Furrinati own all the things.

Well, having mopped off all that snow (and cooled down so nicely!) I’d better go to bed. Niters, all!

neuroticbeagle
10 years ago

night

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@kittehs

Most of Melbourne’s covered in smoke from various fires today. Where I am the smoke’s coming from a fire about 100 km away.

OUch. I hope you (and others in Australia) stay safe!

I’m a hat person too, have been for ages. I had a magnificent black straw number with a lace veil back in my goth days

That sounds like an awesome hat 😀

Also, on the topic of weather, it was -9 f outside today. in Indiana. (US) Indiana normally has totally pathetic winters, but this one it’s suddenly super cold? Even my norwegian elkhound didn’t want to be out for too long!

Night! :3

PROM3THEU5
10 years ago

I was actually interested in reading this article, as I know nothing about anything, from the people to the events, and then I read: So FeMRA videoblogger Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan flapped her gums for nearly two hours the other night and sounds came out.

What a bitter, jaded, pissant way to open an article. That straight up tells me you’re a whiny little jerkwad with a chip on their shoulder and an EXTREMELY overpowering agenda and so much hatred towards whoever this Karen character is that you’re blinded with seething distaste and hate.

I hope you get the therapy you need. Clearly there is something wrong inside your mind. No person you haven’t been punched in the face by should cause that much hatred to anyone, so clearly there’s something up with you. Good luck in the future, and I hope you learn how to write articles without immediately making your audience think you’re a lunatic hate fuelled maniac.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@PROM3THEU5

If you’re going to be an unpleasant, boring troll, can you at least do us a favor and leave out the ‘x needs thearpy’ shit?

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

No person you haven’t been punched in the face by should cause that much hatred to anyone

Ah, the privilege of the white hetero male – because punching you in the face, that’s the only thing someone can do to be hateful.

Oh, and sweetie, if you’re going to be ableist, at least don’t be redundant or you’ll lose marks for artistic interpretation.

a lunatic hate fuelled maniac

That’s definitely a points losing phrase, right there, I’m afraid.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

All else aside, she went on for two hours! Who the hell can sit through 2 hours of being lectured? That’s tiresome even on a topic you actually enjoy.

Howard Bannister
10 years ago

@Argenti

So, I’m taking Hazardous Materials Operations-level right now… four-hour courses once a week, and an eight-hour lecture every other week…

Only a month of it, but, you know, most of this is dry as hell chemistry stuff and I usually kind of enjoy that stuff but AGGGGGHHHHHHH IT’S ALL ON POWERPOINT

Yeah, even a topic you enjoy will make you want to pluck your eyes out of your head and use them as earplugs by the second hour…

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

So who believes PROM3THEU5 “was actually interested in reading this article, as I know nothing about anything, from the people to the events”?

Crickets

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

Althought I admit, I do believe PROM3THEU5 does

know nothing about anything

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Howard — I’m sorry. Eight hours *shakes head* and this is important life or death you must know this stuff huh?

cupisnique
10 years ago

lol @ PROM3THEU5

Clearly you didn’t bother to actually investigate what this blog is about. At no point in this blog does David say he is here to have a discussion (civilized or not) about the merits of their ideology. BTW just because he didn’t watch that particular presentation doesn’t mean he has no idea what she writes about on a regular basis. Hint: it’s the same shit over and over and over ad nauseam. I for one do not blame him for not listening to it, she is the most boring presenter in the history of presenting shit. I think you’d need to speed up any of her videos to avoid falling asleep.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
10 years ago

PROM3THEU5, you think that qualifies as hateful? I wonder if your delicate constitution could even handle the shit GWW writes/says.

Bina
10 years ago

What a bitter, jaded, pissant way to open an article. That straight up tells me you’re a whiny little jerkwad with a chip on their shoulder and an EXTREMELY overpowering agenda and so much hatred towards whoever this Karen character is that you’re blinded with seething distaste and hate.

I hope you get the therapy you need. Clearly there is something wrong inside your mind. No person you haven’t been punched in the face by should cause that much hatred to anyone, so clearly there’s something up with you. Good luck in the future, and I hope you learn how to write articles without immediately making your audience think you’re a lunatic hate fuelled maniac.

Karen? Is that YOU?

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

Could be.

It’s cool that the holier than thous keep whinging that David hasn’t listened to the talk without noting this post isn’t about the talk. It’s about the MRA reaction to it and his assessment of her is based on past behaviour.

Seems reasonable enough.

Unless you live in Bizzaroland.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

as I know nothing about anything

Admitting it is the first step, Prometheus. Now take the second step right the fuck on out of here.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
10 years ago

Not going to comment on the ableist parts of that comment, but honestly “hate fuelled”? That comment was more hate fuelled than the post that started this thread.

Projection much?

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