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Men’s Rights White Knights rush in to protect Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan from MRA criticism

Karen Straughan, in an uncharacteristic moment of silence
Karen Straughan, in an uncharacteristic moment of silence

So FeMRA videoblogger Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan flapped her gums for nearly two hours the other night and sounds came out. This time she wasn’t sitting at her kitchen table blabbing to a webcam about female “hypoagency” and regurgitating misremembered factoids about bonobos but was speaking to an audience of mostly white dudes at Ryerson University in Toronto Canada.

I haven’t watched her performance — which is of course online as well — because life is short, and frankly I’d rather endure this for ten hours than subject myself to the tedious GWW for nearly two.

But I did take a look at a thread on the Men’s Rights subreddit started by a dude who hoped he and his fellow MRAs could have “a proper discussion about the talk, pros and cons, without descending into a circlejerk or a downvote party.” That’s right: he actually wanted GWW’s biggest fanboys to discuss her ideas (such as they are) on their merits.

This did not go over very well with the regulars, who jumped up to defend their favorite damsel in distress. ManUpManDown argued against the very notion of criticizing GWW, on the grounds of 1) her being supercool and 2) giving talks is hard:

ManUpManDown 18 points 21 hours ago (30|12)  Ok, I totally understand the good intentions behind, and the theoretical utility of, this thread. But I really don't think this is helpful. Karen has come out of obscurity to being invited to panels with internationally known feminists, all in a very short period of time. Considering everything, she's been awesome, and she was awesome last night, and I am not particularly inclined to start telling her why she's not perfect. Get me? She's not our mascot.
Huh. But by NOT offering any criticism, aren’t you in fact treating her not as a writer or activist or, god forbid, a thinker, but precisely as a mascot?

Still, a few brave MRAs did bring up substantive critiques of her talk. For example, both 2095conash and memetherapy noted that she probably said “Right?” too often. Bluecharge, while proud of her performance, noted with brutal honesty that her “way of wrapping up points by saying ‘so there you go’ was a bit trite.”

So there you go.

Oh, I forgot to mention one dumb criticism some dumb guy made. GWW apparently suggested that if all the men in the world took three days off it would take three years to recover from the disaster that would ensue.

Essemd implied that this was a bit alarmist, arguing that if you gradually replaced men in the workforce with women — over the course of many years — it wouldn’t be the end of the world, because women could do these “men’s jobs” too. “[S]aying either gender is required because this and this job is mainly occupied by men or women is just false,” Essemd concluded.

Luckily there were a few real MRAs around to teach this fella a thing or two. Like Rikevo, who offered the powerful rebuttal that women can’t do shit:

Rikevo 3 points 1 day ago (4|1)  The sectors men occupy which is what keeps society afloat, would collapse if there aren't any men and the likelyhood that women will let alone could do is low given the gendered preferences in the work place.  Feminist would be the last people to even know how to change a tire.Right?

And xNOM had a little list:

xNOM 2 points 1 day ago* (11|9)  What on earth are you talking about.  Without men:      science crippled. almost all major advances done by / creative geniuses are male. yes even today.      no technology. 98% of all patents filed at the EU office in Munich are by men. almost all coders are men. almost all companies that go on to have billion dollar revenues are founded by men.      art crippled. see science, above.      construction of everything crippled      maintainance of everything crippled      firefighting crippled  Without women:      no kids. the end.
So there you go.

NOTE: I actually had that loop of “What is Love” on during most of the writing of this post. Hey, it’s a catchy song.

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

We need some kind of troll screening process, like the height guides you get on the rides at theme parks. You must be at least this intelligent to troll this blog.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Never mind, I just looked it up . . . the intellectual dishonesty dude called himself Asher. I don’t remember anything about Abnoy except he was terrible. For whatever reason he was terrible.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I am in fact a kitty. It’s hard to operate a computer without thumbs, but hey, I try hard.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Actually being a cat would explain my utter lack of typing skills. So, I’m a cat. Meow.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Annoy was the one who found it fun to claim he had sex (raped) 14 year old sex workers cuz that’s legal there, and then claim shit about western imperialism or something when we went all NOPTOPUS

So bye bye Mejas, you won’t be missed!

leatapp
leatapp
10 years ago

I’m a Basil. I have green, scaly skin and a series of yellow underbellies running down my spine and tail …

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Well, tut-tut’s a kid, right? That would be my guess — or he’s an adult who’s super excited about showing us how sexually insecure he is. Congrats, my man!

Ally S
10 years ago

Annoy was the one who found it fun to claim he had sex (raped) 14 year old sex workers cuz that’s legal there, and then claim shit about western imperialism or something</blockquote
!!!!

That's revolting.

Ally S
10 years ago

LEAVE ME ALONE BLOCKQUOTE MONSTER X_X

serrana
serrana
10 years ago

Was Maria Good?

kittehserf
10 years ago

My name proves that I am a secret member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. But don’t tell anyone.

Does this mean you’re I, Cloudiah?

Hmmm, whose sock was “Maria”? Obvious guess is Mr 90%, though Good-for-nothing comes to mind with the stupid link dumps.

leatapp
leatapp
10 years ago

But Ally, the blockquote monster hungers. It must have offerings. Tasty, tasty offerings!

kittehserf
10 years ago

Ninjaed by serrana!

Hey, Ally, if you put that text formatting toolbar on Firefox you can defeat the blockquote monster FOR EVAH. /evangelising

serrana
serrana
10 years ago

Also, why do the trolls think coming back with a woman’s name will fool us? Do they really think we’re all Teh Ladies here? Obviously I’m no lady. I’m a cat named after a chili pepper.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

Reverse discrimination against men

So… Privileges for men, then? Or perhaps you think discriminating against women is the natural order of things, and therefore male-targeted discrimination is inherently reversed.

alimony

…is for spouses whose contribution to the marriage was not direct income. In a more feminist world, the ratio of women to men doing unpaid labour would not be nearly so skewed, and alimony would be awarded more equally across genders.

child support

…is for children. Why do you have a problem with people caring financially for their own children?

gender quotas for women

This one is actually true, to be fair. Feminists demand that a quota of 100% of women be of the female gender.

affirmative action/positive discrimination against men

Now you’re just repeating shit.

women empowerment

Women having power, oh no!

entitlements

Vague enough to be meaningless.

VAWA

Anti-domestic-violence legislation, oh no!

disparate impact

Don’t even understand this one.

academic fraud

This is the first time I have learned that advocating academic fraud is a feminist stance. XD

privileges for women

I would like the privilege of having agency over my own body, please.

lenient prison sentences for women

Oops, you have confused “feminism” with “patriarchy,” exactly the thjng that feminism is trying to dismantle.

impunity for women

I am pretty fucking impudent…

rape shield laws

Not being able to argue that a woman is unrapeable because she’s had sex before, oh no!

lower standards for women

Standards in what?

family court and divorce bias for women

Lol

duluth model

Intervening in domestic violence, oh no!

female glorification and male belittlement in the media

What the hell kind of media are you consuming because I would like some please.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

Damn, almost got away scot-free XD. Damn blockquote monster!

kittehserf
10 years ago

Also, why do the trolls think coming back with a woman’s name will fool us? Do they really think we’re all Teh Ladies here? Obviously I’m no lady. I’m a cat named after a chili pepper.

And chewing your nails. Disgraceful. Speaking of which, I’m a king sitting around nekkid.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

The standard troll “but look, I’m a lady now!” trick is hilarious. No matter how many times it fails they remain convinced that if they can just get us to think they’re women we’ll have to agree with whatever crap they’re waffling on about.

serrana
serrana
10 years ago

I remember Karin! Ze created a whole FB profile first. And we had a short-lived one named “Josephine” (I think) who wanted to talk with us about bras but thought a 36C was a hard-to-find size.

serrana
serrana
10 years ago

And chewing your nails. Disgraceful.Speaking of which, I’m a king sitting around nekkid.

And looking pretty buff, too! And by the way, I’m not chewing my nails, I’m thinking deep, thinky thoughts. As deep as a kitty named after a vegetable can think, anyway.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

I agree with the bet that Maria was Good.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Do chillies count as vegetables? Never was sure about that.

kittehserf
10 years ago

And looking pretty buff, too!

Heh! 🙂

And by the way, I’m not chewing my nails, I’m thinking deep, thinky thoughts. As deep as a kitty named after a vegetable can think, anyway.

I should have known, I am ashamed!! Of course a kitty is thinking deep thinky thoughts. Kitties’ thoughts are so deep mere hoomins have no way of knowing if anything’s going on in there at all understanding them.

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