So FeMRA videoblogger Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan flapped her gums for nearly two hours the other night and sounds came out. This time she wasn’t sitting at her kitchen table blabbing to a webcam about female “hypoagency” and regurgitating misremembered factoids about bonobos but was speaking to an audience of mostly white dudes at Ryerson University in Toronto Canada.
I haven’t watched her performance — which is of course online as well — because life is short, and frankly I’d rather endure this for ten hours than subject myself to the tedious GWW for nearly two.
But I did take a look at a thread on the Men’s Rights subreddit started by a dude who hoped he and his fellow MRAs could have “a proper discussion about the talk, pros and cons, without descending into a circlejerk or a downvote party.” That’s right: he actually wanted GWW’s biggest fanboys to discuss her ideas (such as they are) on their merits.
This did not go over very well with the regulars, who jumped up to defend their favorite damsel in distress. ManUpManDown argued against the very notion of criticizing GWW, on the grounds of 1) her being supercool and 2) giving talks is hard:
Huh. But by NOT offering any criticism, aren’t you in fact treating her not as a writer or activist or, god forbid, a thinker, but precisely as a mascot?
Still, a few brave MRAs did bring up substantive critiques of her talk. For example, both 2095conash and memetherapy noted that she probably said “Right?” too often. Bluecharge, while proud of her performance, noted with brutal honesty that her “way of wrapping up points by saying ‘so there you go’ was a bit trite.”
So there you go.
Oh, I forgot to mention one dumb criticism some dumb guy made. GWW apparently suggested that if all the men in the world took three days off it would take three years to recover from the disaster that would ensue.
Essemd implied that this was a bit alarmist, arguing that if you gradually replaced men in the workforce with women — over the course of many years — it wouldn’t be the end of the world, because women could do these “men’s jobs” too. “[S]aying either gender is required because this and this job is mainly occupied by men or women is just false,” Essemd concluded.
Luckily there were a few real MRAs around to teach this fella a thing or two. Like Rikevo, who offered the powerful rebuttal that women can’t do shit:
Right?
And xNOM had a little list:
So there you go.
NOTE: I actually had that loop of “What is Love” on during most of the writing of this post. Hey, it’s a catchy song.
I’m pretty much just echoing what everyone else had to say about the “nice guys” bs. But I will add my extra few cents to it. Luckily the last time I dealt with “nice guys” was in high school… Typically these guys who think they are “being nice” are actually just being boring pushovers and yes men. They think that saying “yes” to fucking everything and having no opinion whatsoever is the way into women’s pants. Honestly when I am looking to date someone I’m looking to date a real person with thoughts, opinions and a personality. Not an echo chamber. So these “nice guy” see that their echo chamber tactic isn’t working and automatically turn to “well I guess I just have to be an asshole to them then”. Because apparently there is no in between, something I see a lot of in the MRM, the all-or-nothing, black and white thinking.
I find it hilarious when people express those sort of opinions about women not being virgins. How is that supposed to attract a virgin? I remember a few guys tried it on me. They seriously thought I going to want to do this awkward and possibly painful thing with them, which they have fetishised to a point where there’s probably going to be no patience or empathy on their part so that I can enjoy myself, after which they will think I’m used up and ‘sloppy seconds’ after having their fun? Just because they were insulting and objectifying other women?
Pass.
I went with the guy who didn’t judge those sort of things and had the self-awareness that sex was a mutual thing. Much better for everyone involved. A good guy who finished last when it counted.
I remember this from a science fiction book – either Heinlein or Tepper, I do not recall. The author suggested that the reason why some men demanded virgins was that they didn’t want women who had something/ someone with whom to compare them. Of ccourse that demands that the virgin in question has absolutely NO sexual experience whatsoever — which may explain the guys who also want these virgins to be really, really young… Oh, ick.
@zippydoo, that’s not a bad point, actually
@mejas, are you even trying?
@lady ballsnip, A+ username
@cloudiah
Maybe “used up” means having enough experience that they won’t settle for any old asshole offering mediocre sex and the relationship skills of a high schooler. Women who’ve dated before you can more easily tell that you don’t have anything to offer them.
Ach, ninja’d by bonelady while I was typing! Actually, I could see both of those authors saying that, but for rather different reasons.
I’ve never heard of this female but here’s an interesting article
http://takimag.com/article/the_invisible_nutsack_jim_goad/print#axzz2swwoorh0
Female what? Female hedgehog? Female giraffe? Be specific.
Of course you’d like that blog. It’s very hostile to women and flogs the same old and well debunked talking points of anti-feminists.
“The alpha male cock carousel is a real thing, true story.”
Translation: women are out having fun and having sex with guys who aren’t me! Why will no feeeeemale fuck me?
I’m getting the feeling “Maria” is a sock.
Tut tut havent any of you heard of accumulated depreciation and diminishing returns?
Here’s an interesting article: http://thebaffler.com/past/whats_the_point_if_we_cant_have_fun. Here’s another: http://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/philip-glass#_. And another: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/09/30/130930fa_fact_levy?currentPage=all. Like Maria’s links, these have no relevance to the thread whatsoever. Unlike Maria’s, these actually appear to be worth reading.
Me too, kittehs, me too.
I’m just about positive that Maria isn’t actually named Maria.
BTW, that link zie posted was posted twice in /r/mensrights this morning.
Mejas,
So every time I rock my husband’s cock I am in fact becoming a less pleasurable lay and a sloppy used up product of less and less value?
Try telling him that. I’d love to see you try.
Prepare yourself to be shocked.
Some men are not afraid of experienced lovers. See, when you aren’t a bitter, selfish misogynist, you don’t have a reason to fear a woman knowing a good lay from a bad one. This hang up of yours? It tells us soooo much about you and why the ladies aren’t lined up outside your bedroom door.
PS. It isn’t because you are “nice”. “Nice” is a low bar, but you can’t reach it.
@Maria,
I think you have confused “an interesting article” with “a bunch of tired old bullshit.”
I wonder how people like Mejas explain LGBTQ sexual relationships. Who decides which one of them gets awesomer and with every fuck and who gets dirty and used up?
*giggle*
It’s almost like it is a self-serving patriarchal, heteronormative myth to salve the sadness of unpopular penes.
People aren’t cars, dipshit.
If Maria is in fact a Maria, I will eat my shoe.
@emilygoddess
You said:
Totally agree.
Also @ zippydoo, you said:
Same here. I went with an older ‘used up’ guy who knew how to pleasure me. Nice guys do finish last! 😀
David, i would like to ask you something personal. You don’t have to answer it, but it’s something i have wondered about you and your motives to keep this pathetic site for some time:
Why do you have a jewish name? David, as i’m sure you are well aware of, is a classical jewish name.
Now, i’m not saying you are an paid shill and member of the Bilderberg/CNP, but let’s just say that i wouldn’t exactly be surprised.
I hope your handlers at least pay you well:)
True fact 1:
All females have evolved to have vagina counters that can be read by special penis chips that tell exactly how many men have been inside of them.
True fact 2:
Females only chose mates in ascending penis girth, and all vaginas remain exactly the same size as the last inserted object. There are no muscles down there, it is just a rigid hole like swiss cheese.
True fact 3:
All females get tickets when they turn 18 to ride rotating platforms with sexy buff party guys willingly strapped down and given viagra.
True fact 4:
Female virgins have no sexual fantasies or desires and will imprint upon the first male to insert his penis and be completely obedient to him.
True fact 5:
All females have hamsters inside their head. These hamsters make it impossible to select the right penis for herself. She should instead make a sandwich and wait for the proper penis to introduce itself, and then offer the penis-bearer the sandwich. If he offers her a red pill, she will know he is The One.
*sources: Millions of years of evolutionary psychology, the Matrix, Switzerland, and stuff found on Reddit.
Didn’t some other troll have the “tut tut” tell?
I had to get my suspension replaced before the trip to Santa Cruz.
Urg! Don’t mention Santa Cruz! I’ve been wanting to go back, but haven’t found the time. I love SC! Give me your memories, Katz, and I shall live vicariously through them.
Brava, Zippydoo.
Someone called “Fatrell” said tut tut recently:http://manboobz.com/2013/01/24/roosh-fan-black-and-white-unite-to-fight-the-evil-feminist-white-male-bashers-also-a-terrible-chart/comment-page-3/#comment-248181 as did owly back in the day: http://manboobz.com/2012/07/09/things-i-learned-from-reddit-feminists-cant-be-atheists-also-they-shouldnt-ever-try-to-translate-ancient-greek/comment-page-3/#comment-171956 but I can’t find one particular troll using it consistently, so idk.
What’s so bizarre to me about the whole virgin-fetishizing is that no matter how smart you are, there are some complicated acts you CAN NOT learn on your first try. For instance, I would not want to be suspended or pierced by someone who has never had any sexual or kinky experience whatsoever. And yet somehow, I’m supposed to care.
RE: Mejas
Tut tut havent any of you heard of accumulated depreciation and diminishing returns?
You say this, and yet you INSIST on commenting here anyway.
Sales associate, I’d like to return this troll. It’s all used up, and the elastic is all baggy! I’d like to exchange it for a nice new one, please. One with sequins. And better lines.
RE: leatapp
Who decides which one of them gets awesomer and with every fuck and who gets dirty and used up?
Well, I dunno about you, but me and my hubby play Yahtzee to decide.