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Dating by the Numbers: Why “hacking” OkCupid is a waste of everyone’s time

This data point is an outlier.
This data point is an outlier.

Is there no problem out there that can’t be solved by SCIENCE? Apparently not. Indeed, it has recently come to my attention that one heroic nerdy dude actually used MATH to get a girlfriend. No really, an actual girlfriend. As in, a living human female that he’s seen naked. (We can only presume.)

Wired magazine found the story so astonishing that they devoted an entire 3000 word feature to it.

The piece tells the tale of Chris McKinlay, then a grad student in mathematics at UCLA, who went searching for love on OKCupid, a dating site that uses daters’ answers to various questions, ranging from silly to profound, in order to calculate a “match score” that supposedly measures your compatibility with a potential date. But McKinlay wasn’t getting as many dates as he wanted.

So he decided to “reverse-engineer” OkCupid. As McKinlay — ever the romantic — explains on his own blog, he used his mathematical skillz to analyze the “high-dimensional user metadata in [the] putatively bipartite social graph structure [of] OkCupid,” and adjust his own profile accordingly.

Basically, he crunched a lot of numbers to figure out how the kinds of women he was most interested in — in particular one data “cluster dominated by women in their mid-twenties who looked like indie types, musicians and artists” — tended to answer questions. And then he fiddled with his own answers — and his choice of which questions to answer — so he would score higher match percentages with them. Ta da! Suddenly he had more matches.

He claims not to have answered any questions dishonestly, but as Wired notes “he  let his computer figure out how much importance to assign each question, using a machine-learning algorithm called adaptive boosting to derive the best weightings.”

It doesn’t take a math degree to figure out that fudging your answers so they’re more like those of the women you’re targeting will make it look like you’re more like them. You can pull this same trick in real life by pretending to agree with everything a person says.

But you don’t have to be a psychologist to see that doing this kind of defeats the purpose of OKCupid’s match algorithms in the first place. You’re creating the illusion of chemistry where there may be none. Essentially, you’re cheating, but in a really self-defeating way.

And by focusing so intently on statistically crunchable data, he also ignored a lot of the more intangible “data” that the profiles provide if you actually sit down to read them. The numbers don’t reveal anything about a person’s verbal charm, or their sense of humor. They don’t tell you about the interesting little details of the person’s life.

As Katie Heaney notes in a Buzzfeed piece on McKinlay’s strange quest:

[M]uch of the language used in the story reflects a weird mathematician-pickup artist-hybrid view of women as mere data points … often quite literally: McKinlay refers to identity markers like ethnicity and religious beliefs as “all that crap”; his “survey data” is organized into a “single, solid gob”; unforeseen traits like tattoos and dog ownership are called “latent variables.” By viewing himself as a developer, and the women on OkCupid as subjects to be organized and “mined,” McKinlay places himself in a perceived greater place of power. Women are accessories he’s entitled to. Pickup artists do this too, calling women “targets” and places where they live and hang out “marketplaces.” It’s a spectrum, to be sure, but McKinlay’s worldview and the PUA worldview are two stops along it. Both seem to regard women as abstract prizes for clever wordplay or, as it may be, skilled coding. Neither seems particularly aware of, or concerned with, what happens after simply getting a woman to say yes.

And that’s where McKinlay’s system seems to have fallen down entirely. Though Wired is eager to present his “hacking” as a great success, it took McKinlay more than 90 dates  — 87 of them first dates with no followup — before he found his current girlfriend.

In other words, his wondrous system produced a metric shit-ton of “false matches” and wasted a lot of people’s time, including his own.

And in the end it wasn’t his data crunching that brought his girlfriend to his door; as Wired notes, she found him on OKCupid after doing a “search for 6-foot guys with blue eyes near UCLA.” Happily for him, McKinlay already matched her preferences in these areas. In addition to appreciating his height and eye color and location in physical space, she apparently was also charmed by his cynical approach to OkCupid dating, so maybe they are a match made in heaven, if not in his data crunching techniques.

While McKinlay was going on first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date after first date, people I know have found wonderfully compatible matches — and long-term relationships — through OkCupid without having to date dozens of duds along the way.

How? Partly because OkCupid’s match algorithms led them to some interesting candidates. But mainly because they read profiles carefully and looked for compatibility in the words, not the numbers.

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kittehserf
10 years ago

He’s not likely to stick the flounce, ‘cos they never do, so should we have a topic lined up for ignoring him? Bras? Makeup? Hair? Shoes? (Speaking of which, my super cheap Converse sneakers arrived today.)

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

kitteh: Converse are classics. What color are they?

kittehserf
10 years ago

They’re these ones.

I’m really chuffed to have got into Converse. They support my feet, accommodate my orthotics and I like the look of them.

Even more importantly they pander to Maddie’s rubber fetish.

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

Re bras: In the last few years my boobs have expanded to at least twice what they used to be. Shopping for comfortable yet attractive bras has gone from difficult to nigh impossible. It sucks 🙁

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
10 years ago

I got this Reddit AMA linked: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1xpj77/iama_single_guy_who_quit_his_job_and_spent_the/

He’s the guy that went around the US interviewing 100 couples about love.

The question:

Do those with similar personalities or dissimilar personalities seem to last the longest, or did that really not have any bearing on whether the relationship worked?

His answer, and I’ve bolded the key part:

That was actually one of the things I was most curious about when I started my journey, and also one of the things that surprised me most.

It was honestly almost a 50/50 split. Some people swore that opposites attract, and really needed to have similar interests and personalities. Others were convinced that birds of a feather flock together, and that you need to compliment and balance each other out..

I think what was most important was not so much that people had the surface stuff in common, but that they had the same values, and similar goals. (ie: someone who is dedicated to personal growth was rarely found with someone who was happy to be complacent, someone who didn’t want kids was never found with someone who did.)

Values superseded interests.

So fuck off to those guys coming here to say that changing how much weight the OKCupid liar did on his profile *wasn’t lying*. Doing the reweighting meant he found people with *different* values and *dissimilar* goals.

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

LBT:

Why did I read that as non-catholic drinks? I don’t even know what a catholic drink is! Watered down wine?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I don’t even know what a catholic drink is!

Guinness?

kittehserf
10 years ago

::groanlol::

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
10 years ago

And look, a university thesis that backs up the fact there are skeevy males on online dating websites: http://lolmythesis.com/post/76383242293/modern-internet-dating-sites-are-just-mostly-just

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Converse never worked for me; they blister my heels, and I have an irrational dislike of them.

But oh, I think I forgot to mention, while I was out cold once Miranda took advantage of my absence and got us some really nice winter boots! She got them secondhand, and they seem to be out of stock now, but they’re by this company and look basically like this. They are so warm, and so comfortable, and basically weatherproof, which I’ve never had in footwear before.

They cost $100 secondhand, but it was totally worth it. (Especially if you see what they go for normally.)

kittehserf
10 years ago

I approve of Miranda’s methods. 🙂 $100 is a steal, secondhand or not. Shoes and boots are the only clothing I’ll spend serious money on, because I have Difficult Feet.

I had the same problem with Docs you had with Converse, so I totally sympathise. Only pair I had (and they were secondhand) felt like they had razor blades in the heels. I’ve had lots of shoes that blistered my feet over the years, but these cut them. So while I like the look of Docs a lot, I know I can never wear them.

My warmest winter boots are a Geox pair, I think – waterproof suedey stuff outside and fluffy on the inside. I’m hoping I won’t need them in Chicago!

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

So I got distracted by online shoe shopping last night….

But, kitteh, those shoes are really cool! I had a pair of red Converse that I wore to shreds, and I think I should replace them with these:


http://bagginsshoes.com/CHUCK-TAYLOR-HI-FIERY-CORAL-139789.html#

And I want these for my daughter for summer:


http://bagginsshoes.com/SLIPON-STRAWBERRY-RED-TRU-WHT-0UBS8SD.html

I’ve never tried Doc Martens before. I’m glad you got good winter boots, LBT, particularly living in Ohio. I’m thinking probably has pretty similar weather to PA, plus the lake effect snow, so winters can get pretty icky!

leatapp
leatapp
10 years ago

I love the look of Chucks, but without an added insole to buffer the heal and support the arch I find them uncomfortable. I had a suede pair once that I wore to pieces.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

My Chucks from the 90s are still going strong and a hell of a lot more comfy than the new ones. I blame Nike buying them and shipping manufacturing to China. I can get about three years out of a new pair.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Kittehs

Yeah. I’ve heard that Docs are great… if you’re willing to survive the “breaking in” period, where apparently they’re the world’s most uncomfortable shoes, and that period will often last MONTHS. No thank you. I prefer to wear boots that aren’t agony.

RE: sparky

I’m glad you got good winter boots, LBT, particularly living in Ohio.

So far, it’s less snowy than in Boston, and I am totally okay with that.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Docs make me feel like I’m experiencing the Achilles Tendon-slicing scene from I Saw The Devil. People insist that you just have to wear them in and then it will be fine and blah blah, but how can I wear them in if it’s too painful to take more than a couple of steps? This is why the only pair I ever owned ended up being given away.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
10 years ago

Yay boots. I like the style of Docs, but they aren’t vegetarian, so I found these!

http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/airseal_footwear/10021_15c.html

I have the 20 eye ones, I’ve had them for five years now. My favorite pair of boots by far. They didn’t even take long to break in! I’ve gotten to the point where some parts of the sole are wearing flat so I’ll have to replace them soonish, but I will buy nothing else!

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Those look nice, fromafar2013.

And yeah, that’s my feeling, cassandrakitty. I mean, I’m tromping through loose, half-melted snow; my boots are my ankle support and keep my feet dry and warm. Over a month just to break a pair of shoes in? I don’t think so, not when the Fluevogs showed me that boots can be comfortable right off the bat.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

@ LBT

It has to be an issue with the way people’s legs are shaped or how prominent that tendon is, right? Because I think the stiffness of Docs makes wearing them in a pain for anyone, but if they felt to everyone the way they do to you and me then presumably nobody would wear them.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Cassandrakitty

I’ve actually never worn Docs. They’re so expensive, and I heard they were so uncomfortable that I just never bothered, and now that I have a good pair of boots that look similar but are comfy, I seem to be set.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I love Fluevogs, but it’s a struggle to find a pair that fit because I’m a true 9.5, and they don’t do half sizes.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Why do shoe companies refuse to do half sizes? That just seems like “nope, we don’t want your money”.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Aw, that bites, hellkell! I don’t even know what size I am anymore; testosterone apparently made my feet larger while I wasn’t paying attention.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I almost bought the most ridiculous pair at the Seattle store, they were having a great sale. Nope, too damn big or too damn small.

I don’t know why they do it, but it pisses me off.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Sparky, those shoes are gorgeous – I love the strawberry ones you want for your daughter!

LBT, yeah, someone I knew who loved Docs said the only way to break them in was to sit with then on in a tub of really, really hot water. Which doesn’t sound like it’d be great for the leather, plus who wants shoes that take that much work to make wearable?

Yeah, that whole no-half-sizes thing is just stupid. I tend to go for a 41 and work back and forth depending on the brand. I was lucky with the suede Converse I bought a little while back; the shop didn’t have 41s but they had a pair in 41.5, which proved way better, so now I know what to order in that brand.

I’m wearing my new stripey ones now and thinking “Soften up around the toes, damn you!”

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