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Attention-seeking manosphere douchebag offers how-to guide for abusive boyfriends

Not the model for a happy and successful relationship
Not the model for a happy and successful relationship

Apparently hoping to gin up another flood of hate-traffic to his blog, the attention-seeking human stain whose name rhymes with Batt Gorney has posted what is essentially a how-to guide for would-be abusive boyfriends under the charming title “How to Crush a Girl’s Self-Esteem.”

“Gorney” has conveniently arranged his suggestions into a numbered list, so let’s proceed through them one by one. (If you’re triggered by explicit discussions of psychological and physical abuse, please stop reading now.)

Step one, in “Gorney’s” not-so-unique 6-step-plan: “Constantly make her feel inadequate.”

And how do you do that? Easy as pie.

Every time she does something for you, find out what she did wrong and remind her of it. If you can’t find any problems, make some up.

And try some mild gaslighting while you’re at it.

[Y]ou should always sound calm and collected, like you’re talking about the weather. Denigrating her in a neutral-but-firm fashion will trip her submissiveness circuitry, making her think about how she can better serve you. And every time she reaches the goalposts, you move them, forcing her to play an eternal game of catch-up.

Like the salesmen in Glengarry Glen Ross, you should Always Be Criticizing:

The concept is that if you criticize girls for minor mistakes, they’ll be less likely to commit major ones, as their mental energy is expended on dealing with your every complaint. For example, if you constantly critique the way she dresses, you won’t be arguing with her over whether she should get a tattoo or nose piercing to express her “individuality.”

In step 2, “Dominate her physically and sexually,”“Gorney” encourages his readers to violate their girlfriend’s personal and sexual boundaries at every chance.

Repeatedly violate her boundaries in small, petty ways, small enough that she’ll feel petty for complaining to you.

That’s right: abuse her strategically, and in such a way that she feels crazy for complaining about your abuse. “Gorney” is thinking like a true abuser.

For example, if you’re into anal sex and she’s not thrilled about it, the next time you take her from behind, stick your finger into her asshole. If she doesn’t like facials, cum in her hair instead. Lightly clasp your hand around her throat during sex like you’re going to choke her. (Do not actually choke her. That is dangerous.) Smack her on the behind when you’re out in public. The possibilities are endless.

The message you want to send her is simple: it’s not her body anymore.

This is all textbook abusive behavior.

“Gorney” follows this with a lovely bit of rationalization:

Most girls want you to dominate them anyway, but the rationalization hamster and their conscious minds prevent them from articulating this desire.

And then it’s back to more strategic abuse:

[I]f she lets you get away with minor violations of her boundaries, she’ll accede to your bigger demands later on, letting you mold her into the perfect plaything. If she doesn’t violently resist getting her anus fingered, a little more pressure and you’ll be full-on sodomizing her, grinning as she whimpers between each thrust.

Apparently the only sexual pleasure “Gorney” can imagine from anal sex is the pleasure he evidently gets from forcing women into it against their will.

Oh, and make sure you never give her the chance to say “no.”

Never ask her for anything, because asking is begging, and begging is contemptible.

Yep. Avoid the thorny issue of consent by never asking, and assuming that anything other than violent resistance is a “yes.”

Step 3 in “Gorney’s” program takes the creepiness into overdrive: “Isolate her from her friends and family.”

I don’t have much to say about this one; there’s a reason this is a favorite technique of cults and domestic abusers alike. Here’s Gorney’s take on it:

You need to be the primary emotional influence in her life, and you can’t do that if she’s leaning on anyone else for support. Gradually wean her from contact with anyone other than you.

What’s in it for you?

Not only will this increase her emotional dependence on you, it will make her more willing to please you; she’ll be less likely to wreck the relationship if she knows she’ll be all alone if it goes south.

For step 4, “Gorney” puts away the stick for a moment and pulls out a carrot, urging his readers to “Reward her at random intervals.”

But his emphasis is as much on the random as on the rewards; this is yet another gaslighting trick.

If you reward her every time she does good, she’ll see the pattern and use it to manipulate you. But if you reward her at random, her little hamster brain will run itself ragged trying to figure out your endgame.

Step 5 carries the slightly misleading title “Give her an emotional release.” In fact, what he suggests is that you physically “discipline” your girlfriend when she does “wrong” in your eyes.

By spanking a girl until she starts crying and sobbing, you give her an emotional release, turning her into a soppy puddle of goo and making her more inclined to serve you. As a friend of mine put it, all girls crave spankings; it’s their way of making up for Eve’s sin.

“Gorney” seems to be confusing consensual BDSM — which can bring bottoms or submissives intensely emotional releases — with domestic violence.

In step 6, “Gorney” tries to convince his readers — and himself — that it’s an abuser’s incredible sexual prowess, and not his manipulative abuse, that allows him to keep control over an abusive relationship.

You absolutely must have good cocksmanship if you want to ruin a girl’s self-esteem. Girls are enslaved to their vaginas as much as men are to their penises …  Girls will do anything for a man who can fuck them good … .

Your dick is heroin, she’s the junkie and you’re the dealer.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

If you can make her cum on a regular basis, she’ll side with you over her parents, her friends, everyone.

Really? I hate to break it to you, dude, but “[m]aking her cum on a regular basis” is not really an extraordinary achievement, dude. It’s not a sign that you’re some sort of exceptional “cocksman” with a dick of pure heroin. It’s actually kind of, you know, basic? Expected? Also, most women can give themselves orgasms on a regular basis.

Additionally, don’t make her cum every time you have sex. Think like a dealer: you give the customer the pure stuff when you want to get them hooked, and when they’re addicted, you sell them shit that’s been cut with rat poison to increase your bottom line.

Somehow I don’t doubt that sex with guys like this would be a lot like taking drugs laced with rat poison.

[R]ationing out her orgasms at random will keep her on her toes trying to satisfy you.

Or send her off in search of someone who’s not such a complete asshole in bed?

“Gorney’s” advice is so over-the-top awful — it sometimes reads like he’s literally copied it from some textbook on domestic abuse — that it’s hard not to wonder if he just trolling. And to some degree, I’m sure he is. But he also clearly believes a lot of the shit he posts, and so I can only assume he believes, and possibly follows, at least some of his “advice” here.

This is a guy, after all, who admitted plainly to hitting a previous girlfriend, in a post in which he also declared that

Women should be terrorized by their men; it’s the only thing that makes them behave better than chimps.

Actually, that’s not true. In fact, there’s some research that suggests male chimps terrorize female chimps — and beat them with branches —  to punish them for mating with other males. So men who abuse women are in fact the ones behaving like chimps.

Every time I think that the manosphere can’t sink any lower, something comes along and proves me wrong.

NOTE: I don’t want to give “Gorney” any traffic for his terrible post. But I also feel obligated to link to my source. So I have. I’ve just hidden the link randomly in the middle of the post.

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AIT
AIT
10 years ago

Marie,

I apologize in advance for speaking for you, but I’ve had it up to here, here being my eyeballs. I also apologize if you prefer another pronoun, I’ll make sure to fix in the future if you wish.

MEZ,

You have proven yourself entirely clueless. Marie asked for citations on your statement that “many women’s sense of sexuality, and womanhood, is really tied up into pleasing the man in bed.” Emphasis mine, showing you what zie wanted cited, as if zie hadn’t made that clear already when zie first said she wanted you to dig up the citations that you were “too lazy to dig up” at the time, but said you would “do so if anyone’s interested”. Many is implying a large number, where some could be large or small. Ask Miriam Webster. Marie said zie’s interested in your citations. So far you’ve failed to back it up, constantly being either too lazy, too busy, or at this point unable figure out what anecdata is being objected to. A few days have already passed, you’re treading on people’s toes now. If you have as much source as you imply, you could probably cover both issues you mentioned to Marie. Thank you.

The argument is not moot just because you cannot back up your side of it. Arguing that generalizations are not inherently bad is missing the point that the one you made is a bad generalization.

Instead of passing time making long double down comments, why not spend some time finding us at least ONE of your citations? If you can go through them for days, hitting ctrl + F to find key phrases should not be that hard.

“Why are you so defensive” is a bully tactic. Fuck that.

The original post wasn’t even talking about withholding sex, in fact he was promoting having sex as often as he wanted, and raping her! He’d said to be rationing out her orgasms, meaning she shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy it all the time. I never once argued that is abuse.

I do not agrue with you that abuse is abuse. Everything posted in Forney’s article is straight out of the textbook on abuse flags. I get it. I suffered nine months of emotional torture, with many of her tactics reflected in Forney’s guidebook, and still to this day have problems trusting people and myself because of it. If you think I don’t know what abuse is, you clearly don’t know me.

Don’t you fucking dare tell me that sex is a need. You said yourself, you will not die without it. Maslow has been fairly solidly debunked, please read up here. I already have a wall of text here, so I won’t repost more than the link. Thanks to Sparky for pulling that one up back in the thread started on the 30th.

I didn’t say asexual couples withhold sex. You are putting your context onto my words. I mentioned them as an example of people who by definition do not desire sex. You are insisting it’s a need.

A man rejecting a woman sexually, especially in a committed relationship, is probably one of the meanest things he could do. Even just when it’s just a physical problem on the man’s part, the consequence is a net loss of self-esteem on the woman’s part.

If you honestly only meant abusive relationships in that phrase, I couldn’t see that.

I am about to pass out because it’s 0300 where I am, and frankly that is an ugly hour. I don’t plan to continue this. I’ve made my points.

vaiyt
10 years ago

Sex is an essential need = asexual people are like Breatharians?

(except that no Breatharian ever survived for long under public scrunity)

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Sexual witholding is a passive-aggressive staple.

*record scratch*

MEZ, what the blue fuck is wrong with you? You are an onion of awful.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

Expecting your partner to sleep with you regardless of how they feel about you at a given moment, because they’re “supposed” to sleep with you at a certain frequency, is a rapist’s staple.

cupisnique
10 years ago

I’ve kinda skimmed some of the comments, but I’m going to throw my two cents in anyway.

The biggest issue I have with what you have written MEZ is the emphasis on the ability to manipulate *women* by withholding sex and/or intimacy. It isn’t tied up solely into an idea of womanhood, except in rather backwards sexist beliefs about gender roles, which I know still exist. So yeah if the woman in the scenario holds these beliefs perhaps she would be even more susceptible to manipulation that way. But, the reality is people, not just women, can be manipulated this way. If I started withholding affection from my bf as a tool to control him it would be just as effective (maybe more since I’m not a very touchy emotional person).

Marie
10 years ago

@kittehs

It’s not for anyone to say you’re being too sensitive or not, Marie. The joke didn’t rub me the wrong way, but that’s me. I’d just say CBT would be wasted on a shitface like Forney; you have to want to change your thinking.

No you are perfect*, because now I understand what bugged me about it. But idk. Like, mras don’t want to change their thinking. They’re just hateful jerks. NEway, on a full nights sleep, I don’t know if it’ve rubbed me the wrong way, so whatever. Mnemosyne, feel free to ignore me, cuz I’m just confused here, so whatever.

*I mean, you’re already awesome, but this is how I type while caffineated.

@MEZ

Generalizations are not automatically bad, they can be false, or they can be true. Honestly these arguments against me are red herrings.

‘red herrings’? Wow. Look, I’m not in the mood to give you the benefit of the doubt at the moment, but I am so tired of this ‘generalizations aren’t actually been’. They’re still tiresome, and you use them a lot.

Do you feel that I’m making a judgement call about women who don’t feel this way?

I feel like you’re making a judgement call about all women, tbh.

@AIT

I apologize in advance for speaking for you, but I’ve had it up to here, here being my eyeballs. I also apologize if you prefer another pronoun, I’ll make sure to fix in the future if you wish.

Thanks for the consideration. For future reference, I prefer ‘she’ but I think ‘zie’ is a fine one to use if you don’t know. (idk someone tell me if this is wrong?) And I didn’t feel like you were speaking for me, so no worries :3

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

Marie,

Good to know! I am cool with anything he or zie for me. They works too, but it is grammatically funky in some instances.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Marie — I use ze for myself, my genderfluid sorta lover (it’s complicated, hence why I usually refered to zir as my pharm student [who’s going onto zir residency soon, w00t! Maybe…we’ll see where it is…]), and when idk what pronouns to use. So I’m not gonna complain about anyone defaulting to it, but I am, of course, not the Final Arbitrator of Language or anything XD

I’m too lazy to scroll back and look, but people scoffed at the idea that women can be manipulated by withholding sex? (MEZ says it was scoffed at) I’m not recalling anyone going “well that abuse tactic would never work”

kittehserf
10 years ago

*I mean, you’re already awesome, but this is how I type while caffineated.

Hey I’m not gonna complain about your caffeinated typing! 😀

I got to the point of hardly reading MEZ’s walls of text, but sex as a need? Really? That fucking old rapey trope? Bull fucking Shit.

Sex is a desire. Yeah, it might be a really strong one for some people, sometimes, but it’s not a need. If it were I’d have expired or whatever is supposed to happen long before I hit fifty, and yeah, like Vaiyt said, there’d be no asexuals at all. For that matter there’d be no people who choose not to indulge at all, despite not being asexual.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

@ AIT

I’m trying to give hir the benefit of the doubt since I was coming down hard in the other thread, but yeah, my eyeballs have been running for cover under the couch every time zie weighs in with another long, rambling, full of offensive assumptions comment. Most of which, like kittehs, I’ve just stopped reading, so I only notice the offensive stuff when someone else gets all “wtf did you just say?”

Which, upon scrolling back, has so far turned out to be a reasonable response in every case.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I finally got through that other thread where MEZ showed her ass, and after this one, all my goodwill has evaporated. I’m still not sure if trolling or stupid, but I guess that doesn’t matter.

Marie
10 years ago

@hellkell

Was that the one where MEZ said taking a break from a relationship was basically stringing the guy along? Or has zie showed zir ass on other threads?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

No breaks! Breaks are not allowed!

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Marie: that’s the one. No breaks EVER!

Marie
10 years ago

@hellkell

thanks. I was just seeing if there was another one, cuz I still haven’t been back that long.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
10 years ago

Oh, don’t worry but in this thread MEZ wrote something that *could be interpreted as* sexual abusers are that way because they suffer from sexual dysfunction. Tautology, how does that work again?

marci
10 years ago

IMO it seems like the problem with MEZ is that they are writing what sound like absolutes. People here strike me as being skeptics (regardless of religion). I consider myself a skeptic as well and whenever someone comes along speaking in language that sounds like they are trying to come across as authoritative or as some sort of “wise” source of knowledge, it rubs me the wrong way. Science asks questions and constantly tries to falsify the answers, so being too authoritative in how you approach a topic gets my alarm bells to ringing. That’s just my take on it. Maybe it’s like that know-it-all kid in grade school that aggravated everyone to no end because although they could be right sometimes (and wrong as well) it was their attitude that was all wrong.

Mnemosyne
Mnemosyne
10 years ago

@Everyone:

I meant that MRAs like Forney need CBT for obvious reasons. Also, that anecdote about Red Pill was about how MRAs won’t go see real psychologists because they’re all “feminazis” and their crappy subreddit counts as legitimate talk therapy.

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

cassandrakitty:

That makes sense… I tried to ignore it, but it struck a nerve. Tired of letting nerves be struck and just ‘letting it roll’. I may have to follow your and kittehserf’s suit.

And I realize I was rambling myself, so if anyone finds fault with the stuff I’ve been throwing out, please, call me out. I’m done arguing with MEZ, and I apologize for mucking up the thread with that. If anyone thinks I’ve been getting off base, at this point I’m just gonna hang back and listen.

Here’s what my cat ends up doing when she runs at her tower too fast.

emilygoddess
10 years ago

AIT, that video is hilarious! Is the fluffy orange one female? I’ve recently been informed that orange females are rare (I had no idea, since I have one), and I don’t think I’ve ever seen one that was long-haired (lots of males, though, including my Grace’s late brother).

Also, your home is beautiful 🙂

kittehserf
10 years ago

Seconding what emilygoddess said about the video (and your place), AIT! 😀

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

Ah crap, I should have mentioned that isn’t my house or my cats. That home is beautiful. I just needed something to illustrate what happens. This is my Navi, conveniently in her tower. I haven’t ever had presence of mind or timing to get vid of her doing it.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Printer’s on the floor by the door, cat tree is set up. I see the Furrinati has trained you well!

kittehserf
10 years ago

AIT, expect a tl:dr email any time now! 🙂

Hey, your Navi’s a close cousin of my Mads!

AIT
AIT
10 years ago

D’aww. Mads is a cutie! Yes, the Furrinati had me so well trained I sought out this particular apartment so I could have a pet. Unfortunately when I moved in the previous dog’s family hadn’t cleaned up the spots ze’d left on the carpet… not even touched them… so that was a fun first couple of weeks, just making sure I got those stains out. Then I found and adopted was given the privilege of offering up my home to the Furrinati. 🙂