So I get periodic visits here from hostile and uninformed visitors demanding to know just what I have against those Men’s Rights activist-adjacent fellows who have declared themselves to be Men Going Their Own Way. Surely, they sniff, I can’t be really opposed to men living the lives they choose to live, independent of women? Don’t feminists encourage women to be similarly independent? You go, girls, and all that?
As a fellow calling himself Praetorian wrote:
Why are women so bitter towards men going their own way, without them
“John,” meanwhile, thought he detected some hypocrisy:
So, if a woman says she does not need a man in her life, she is seen as a strong independent woman. If a man says he does not need a woman in his life, he is seen as someone who has a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of women.
How convenient and how logical…………….
Happpily, the commenters here always put these misguided souls straight: we don’t object , in principle, to men “going their own way,” if that’s what they want to do.
But in practice, the men who classify themselves as Men Going Their Own Way don’t go anywhere; they stick around and stink the place up with their raging misogyny.
If you go to MGTOWforums or any other popular MGTOW hangout, you’ll discover that the regulars there don’t spend much time talking about the fabulous lives they’re leading on their own — the things they’re learning, the hobbies they’re pursuing, the experiences they’re having.
Nope. They spend virtually all their time and energy taking about women, and how awful they are. The typical MGTOWer spends more time thinking about women on any given day than the president of Planned Parenthood does. And what they think about women is awful. Just go through my MGTOW posts here for example after example.
You want to see some men who are really going their own way? Watch the video at the top of this post. These are guys enjoying themselves and not giving a shit what anyone thinks. They are AWESOME.
That’s what Men Going Their Own Way should look like. And I’m not even joking.
NOTE: I think I’ve posted this video before. I don’t care. Some people might not have seen it. EVERYONE MUST SEE IT.
Think “bad-tempered Santa Claus minus the big beard”, and you have Robert Bly, basically. Oh, and he’s majorly into sweater vests. Just like Rick Santorum.
Ew, I didn’t realize the whole Iron John movement was basically the same old “feminists ruined everything” crap. Well, I still support men finding their feelings and breaking free of social constraints, and having their own spaces to do that in. Just with less of the whole defining their gender by how much they’re not like women…thing.
Oh thank you I really needed to see that! D:
Thank Ceiling Cat for men who can make daggy knitwear look sexy.
Men expressing feelings and challenging social constraints: GOOD. Men expressing feelings of misogyny and challenging social constraints aimed specifically at curtailing sexist violence: Iron John, pretty much.
So … has there ever been a men’s movement that was about challenging rather than reinforcing toxic masculinity?
I was more of a Sam Keen rather than Robert Bly kinda guy myself
Off topic, but that angry guy from deviantart I talked about earlier turned out to be a 17 year old Norwegian. Apparently he decided I was a good target for his venting. He cussed out his sister, said his friend was harassed by feminists and proceeded to show me the Amazing Atheist’s view on women.
I said that AA had mocked a rape victim and he then provided links to videos where women agreed with AA.
I have no idea.
Ewwwww. Welp, glad to know I don’t have to read much more freakin’ Bly then. (Roomies gave me a book of his poetry on the shadow as a sort of spirit-amper for Shadowthon.)
Not gonna lie, I always feel the urge to flee into the night when anything gets specifically directed towards men. I always get the very distinct feeling that I am not included among them, gender be damned.
I have Creepy Norwegian kid has no idea.
FTFY
Feckin html!
O_o why is the strikethrough button not working?
Yeah, he truly didn’t. I was like “why are you complaining to me about your friend’s experience?” Honestly, I don’t know why he bothered me in the first place, it wasn’t like he was going to change my mind on being a feminist.
testTesting strikethrough.
on the toolbar? try mine try this
I tried to use the link button and it crashed Firefox 🙁
Let’s see if it works this time
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It doesn’t like s for strikethrough, kittehs; you have to use del.
That’s what’s so weird; this is the Firefox text formatting bar, and it worked before. I used to write “strike” for my own html.
::sigh:: Another wordpress brainfart …
Don’t try to make sense of it.
So he’s already found the “some feminist was mean to me/my friend/someone” excuse at his ripe old age. *sigh* If I had a nickel for every time I heard that one over the years.
No danger of that! 😀
Ugh, yes. He started saying something like “now I know you’re going to say you hate men, that we’re terrible, and you’re always angry…”
I was quite calm and amused actually, but he wouldn’t let go of that argument.
Misogynists never grasp the difference between “hating all men” and “hating misogynistic behaviour and attitudes that are exhibited by some men and women.”
I think the MGTOWers are waiting on us to shriek ‘Nooooooooooooo …. we need you .. please don’t goooooo!’ and it ‘ain’t happening so they get more and more wound up that no one really cares. It’s almost like some kind of empty threat to get a reaction from people.
Hell YOU made the choice to do it so run along and bloody get on with it. Some of my girl friends have decided to go it alone and can find hobbies and interests to keep them amused and seem really rather content but not this lot. They’re only happy when they tear women to pieces. No wonder they can’t move on because deep down they can ‘t, don’t really want to or are as miserable as sin on their own. If it’s such a great thing why are they continually moaning about it. Get a hobby. GET A LIFE. Bozos.
@kittehs
I should have known when you said that you’d link to mr K XD
@Xen
Blah. Sorry to hear that guy’s been bugging you :/
Wow. Talk about strawmen.
Ps: Are you in the manboobz group on deviant art? Not that you have to be, if you don’t want to, it’s just fun :3
I resent that, among all the other things I do not like, I very much resent mansplainers who carry on both sides of the argument.