So I get periodic visits here from hostile and uninformed visitors demanding to know just what I have against those Men’s Rights activist-adjacent fellows who have declared themselves to be Men Going Their Own Way. Surely, they sniff, I can’t be really opposed to men living the lives they choose to live, independent of women? Don’t feminists encourage women to be similarly independent? You go, girls, and all that?
As a fellow calling himself Praetorian wrote:
Why are women so bitter towards men going their own way, without them
“John,” meanwhile, thought he detected some hypocrisy:
So, if a woman says she does not need a man in her life, she is seen as a strong independent woman. If a man says he does not need a woman in his life, he is seen as someone who has a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of women.
How convenient and how logical…………….
Happpily, the commenters here always put these misguided souls straight: we don’t object , in principle, to men “going their own way,” if that’s what they want to do.
But in practice, the men who classify themselves as Men Going Their Own Way don’t go anywhere; they stick around and stink the place up with their raging misogyny.
If you go to MGTOWforums or any other popular MGTOW hangout, you’ll discover that the regulars there don’t spend much time talking about the fabulous lives they’re leading on their own — the things they’re learning, the hobbies they’re pursuing, the experiences they’re having.
Nope. They spend virtually all their time and energy taking about women, and how awful they are. The typical MGTOWer spends more time thinking about women on any given day than the president of Planned Parenthood does. And what they think about women is awful. Just go through my MGTOW posts here for example after example.
You want to see some men who are really going their own way? Watch the video at the top of this post. These are guys enjoying themselves and not giving a shit what anyone thinks. They are AWESOME.
That’s what Men Going Their Own Way should look like. And I’m not even joking.
NOTE: I think I’ve posted this video before. I don’t care. Some people might not have seen it. EVERYONE MUST SEE IT.
Look what came up when I googled “cat tea cosy”.
I suspect the answer to “is your cat plotting to kill you?” in this case would be yes.
Oooh, hats:
I so want one of these but they never seem to do the designs/colours I like in my size – bighead 😉
http://caslworkshop.netfirms.com/store/index.html
Nice hats!
D’you knit, titianblue?
I do knit – I’m going to be scouring the net for a roll-brim hat pattern to make my own, I think.
There are a couple of books just on knitting tea cosies, and the thought of using some of them as hats has crossed my mind. 🙂
See http://www.bookdepository.com/book/9781742573472?redirected=true&gclid=CJqa5P7murwCFYPypAodA2YAnA and http://www.bookdepository.com/Really-Wild-Tea-Cosies-Loani-Prior/9781741966312
Free tea cosy knitting patterns (yay!): http://cosytea.wordpress.com/free-tea-cosy-knitting-patterns/
Re cats in garments, if I tried to do that with two of the four, either my hands or the cat clothing would be shredded before I got it on. I would also be murdered in my sleep.
Here’s a start for roll-brim hat patterns:
http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/search#query=roll%20brim%20hat&fit=adult&view=captioned_thumbs&sort=name
(Are you on Ravelry? I can never remember who I’ve asked and who not. 😛 )
Just read an interview with a fairly well-known Swedish feminist, Kakan Hermansson… She’s an artist, DJ, radio show host etc; lesbian, socialist, fat-activist and in general pretty radical. Apparently she’s a Christian too (didn’t know that before I read this interview), and said that to her, that’s a perfectly natural combination, since the core of Christianity is solidarity with everyone. And then she said about people who think she “shouldn’t” be both feminist and Christian: What do they think is worse, really? Believing in God or believing in patriarchy?
Just thought that was a pretty good quote.
Sometime last year, Bitch magazine ran an article about Mormon feminists. It was pretty eye-opening. It doesn’t seem to be available online, but a Google search for “mormon feminism” turns up some good results (protip: don’t search for “mormon feminism bitch”, even if that is the name of the magazine)
That is a really good quote, Dvarg.
Though I bet a few asshats (see: upthread trollsplosion) would insist that you can’t believe in God without believing in patriarchy, yadda yadda yadda.
Mormon feminism? That is interesting; I wouldn’t have thought that was possible.
Bet it’d piss off a few of the senior men in the group. Win!
“Though I bet a few asshats (see: upthread trollsplosion) would insist that you can’t believe in God without believing in patriarchy, yadda yadda yadda.”
Plenty of atheists are managing the second without the first just fine.
Nor would I have, but as I said: eye-opening. It’s one of the things that led me to the position I was taking upthread, that even religions in which patriarchy is entrenched can be reclaimed by feminists (see also: that awesome Muslim/feminist professor I had in college).
AFAIK, most muslim feminists argue along the following lines; the rules laid out in the Quran for men and women respectively are sexist, but they’re far less sexist than the rules Arab society used to have before Islam (I do think this part is actually supported by secular scholars). The most plausible interpretation is that the Quran encourages us to gradually reform society in a more and more feminist direction until equality is reached, rather than it pointing out the precise level of sexism society ought to have.
the rules laid out in the Quran for men and women respectively are sexist, but they’re far less sexist than the rules Arab society used to have before Islam (I do think this part is actually supported by secular scholars)
Yes, it is.
Yeah, basically, there was only so much Muhammad would have been able to convince his followers to accept, and full gender equality would have been a hard pill for many of them to swallow.
Also, given the fact that the Qur’an wasn’t written down by Muhammad, but was re-recited to a scribe by people who had memorized some or all of it, it becomes plausible that the text may not be entirely trustworthy.
Whoops. Please imagine blockquotes around that first paragraph.
Ain’t that the truth!
I’ve read that about Arab society and the Quran too; like polygamy being introduced to try to eradicate female infanticide. (Can’t remember where I read that or how accurate it is.)
IIRC, polygamy was introduced because there was a war on and a lot of women were widowed, and since there were no means in place by which they could support themselves, marriage was the only way to ensure they didn’t end up as beggars (as widows tended to do before that time).
Wow, Dvarg, that quote was actually really helpful for me. Hubby is a Southern Baptist, and really devoted to his church due to it keeping him out of CPS as a child. (He had a single teenage mom, and the church provided free daycare.) Now that he’s bi and married to me, he feels really uncomfortable in the churches he most prefers, but he can’t bear to let go of his faith either. (He’s tried some of the more liberal denominations, the UUs and all that, but he was raised in a pretty traditional environment and it just doesn’t feel right to him.)
For a long time, he’s been struggling with the feeling that by being Christian, he’s buying into the awful parts of it, and I’ve been trying to persuade him otherwise, and now I have ammunition! Thanks, Dvarg!
emilygoddess – ah, that makes a lot of sense. ::sigh::
Looks like the guys in the video are having fun. Good for them!
You’re welcome, LBT! 😀
So, if a woman says she does not need a man in her life, she is seen as a strong independent woman. If a man says he does not need a woman in his life, he is seen as someone who has a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of women.
How convenient and how logical…………….
This must be the laziest troll ever. All you did was quote the MGTOWer in the OP. What was the point of that?
To prove he’s a fuckwit?
Angry Because Not Screwing Any Women has invented a new form of punctuation! Not quite sure what it is yet, though.
If there are grammar gods, they’ll have some terrifying punishment for the sin of dozen-dot ellipses.