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The “Tell Her Her Soul Is Dog Sh*t” dude declares that I’m a “misogyny pimp.”

If Jason Gregory were this adorable, it would be hard to stay mad at him
If Jason Gregory were this adorable kitty, it would be hard to stay mad at him

Hey, everybody!

So you remember that post a couple of days ago, that one in which I quoted Jason Gregory’s most peculiar dating advice for angry men? You know, the one in which he suggested that men rebuff women who are interested in them with a long and rather nasty assortment of misogynistic insults? You know, like these:

Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket.

And he went on like that for several more sentences. You can read the whole quote in my original piece, or in his original post on A Voice for Men.

Well, it turns out I totally misinterpreted Jason Gregory’s post, according to an unbiased and neutral outside observer named Jason Gregory, no relation to the original Jason Gregory, who’s written a post about it on his blog.

Hold on, I’m being told that this second Jason Gregory is in fact also the first Jason Gregory.

Anyway, according to Jason Gregory, even though Jason Gregory did explicitly tell men to “tell her … that her soul is dog-shit” he didn’t really mean to tell men to “tell her … that her soul is dog-shit.”

No, he only hypothetically meant this. He was just trying to suggest was how mean the ladies are when they turn down men.

What he was really trying to express, he now says, was that

men need to learn self-respect and to value their selves in totality—including the importance of valuing their sexuality.

Pretty weird how that came out in the original post as

Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket.

But, he insists, his aim was really quite noble. As he explains now, he wasn’t just trying to stand up for the dignity of men — he was trying to protect women from having their inboxes filled with dick-pics.

I wrote that men should stop giving away cock like it’s worthless. Perhaps if men valued their sexuality, they’d be less inclined to inundate women with emails, messages, and pick-up lines. Perhaps if men actually valued their sexuality, the ladies at Jezebel wouldn’t be so inclined to complain about all the free-cock oppression. Perhaps if men actually valued their sexuality, men wouldn’t degrade themselves by harassing, begging, and inundating women with dick pics and pleas for their attention and affection.

Indeed, he went on to argue, it was not he who was the real misogynist, but me. J’Accuse!

This might seem a hard case to make, what with the whole “tell her … her soul is dog-shit” bit and numerous other remarks in his original post, like, for example, his description of women who actually enjoy sex:

You may be able to find a few coked-up girls who really get into it—the kind of girls who end up with sweaty hair, mascara, and cum dripping down their cheeks, but those girls usually have emotional disorders and are simply trying to bury their emotional problems in various sorts of drug induced escapes.

And who can forget his suggestion that men make their dates “pay for a juicy sirloin to replace all the jizzed-out protein” they cause to be jizzed out?

But apparently I am the true misogynist because I ran my post making fun of him during my pledge drive. Which makes me a “misogyny pimp.”

This is where the mocking of misogyny becomes misogyny. He doesn’t care about the women who bother to read his blog. Though he may have a few days in which he invites women and other commenters to share and cry about their troubles, any good pimp knows the importance of faking like he cares. Any good pimp knows how to manipulate the emotions of “his bitches.” …

[H]e doesn’t care about why men are sending dick pics and bombarding women with emails and messages through online dating services. He’s not looking for solutions to these problems. He’s not saying that men who do such things may lack self-respect because the value of male sexuality is often viewed as less-than-worthless in our culture.

Wait, what? I don’t care enough about men who harass women so I’m a misogynist?

Exploiting women is a form of misogyny … In this way, Boobz has more in common with an abusive pimp than he has with any heroic slayer of misogyny. Boobz is the misogyny that he mocks. Boobz is a misogyny-pimp.

QED, I guess. Apparently quoting misogynists, mocking misogynists, discussing misogyny, taking notice of misogyny in any way … makes one a misogynist. At least according to a guy who apparently thinks that the only women who really “get into” sex are “coked-up girls” with “emotional disorders” and “cum dripping down their cheeks.”

You’ll notice that last line in Jason’s quote links to a video; that link is from him. It’s a clip from the film Bad Santa. As Jason makes a point of mentioning several times, that’s where he got the “your soul is dog shit” line.

But if you watch the clip you’ll notice one thing about that line, in its original context in the film — it’s not surrounded by a paragraph full of vile misogynistic abuse. Nope, that stuff is all Jason Gregory.

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LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Xen

Psh. Like it’s EVER sunny in GOTHAM. I swear, they’ve got worse weather than Forks.

justabrowngirl
justabrowngirl
10 years ago

kittehserf, Yes! It will automatically light up the sky with ninja kitties when dicks pics are send.

eli
eli
10 years ago

Great idea!

It’s hard to hear them moan if they’re not close by.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

If I had a dollar for every dude who told me that he hated and wanted to control women for our own good I could form them into a loonie fort where I could live. I would even have enough left over to pelt misogynists with when they tried to invade my sanctum.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Actually Elam et al are misogyny pimps (the ones who ask for money). They make money by quite literally selling misogyny to men who are actively seeking it out. When business is good they just sit on their own blogs waiting for customers to come to them, but when business is down they create flamewars on other sites to drive traffic to their blogs.

David, otoh, is a humor pimp. The commentariat pays him to make horrible things funny.

Lady Mondegreen
10 years ago

You may be able to find a few coked-up girls who really get into it….

Jason Gregory, why are you advertising the fact that you’re a lousy lay?

I wrote that men should stop giving away cock like it’s worthless….

“It’s not that I’m a lousy lay–it’s that I value my sexuality!”

Xen
Xen
10 years ago

“I wrote that men should stop giving away cock like it’s worthless….”

All hail the sacred cock!

Honestly, I’ve never seen such a big deal made about a fleshy appendage. Are we still in grade school?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

To be fair, in the unlikely and extremely unpleasant event that I had to have sex with Jason, I’d want drugs too.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

My husband doesn’t devalue his sexuality! It’s just that his dick is open-source.

WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM JASON GREGORY.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Read the dude’s whole blog post. I would say it’s the twistiest logic pretzel I’ve ever seen, except I think the pretzel is always broken in some places.

Also, I think Mr. Gregory is exceptionally confused. He seems unable to discern the difference between telling a woman “no” and refraining from sending her unsolicited dickpics.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
10 years ago

Shorter Jason Gregory: “Oh yeah!?”

Anyway, I do love how MRAs endlessly complain about feminism being “professional victimhood” and say it seeks power through victim status, then go around seriously believing this maudlin bullshit with no connection to what men actually think or do. I mean, I’ve not always been a totally decent dude, but never once in my life have I thought “All women want is my penis! I guess I just have to throw out some dick pics if I want any attention at all.” Spreading dick pics like a gatling gun the fires dildos across the Internet might or might not be undervaluing one’s sexuality, but what it definitely does is undervalue basic respect for women, a trait that Jason Gregory shares when he acts like sexual harassment is a favor to women.

justabrowngirl
justabrowngirl
10 years ago

cassandrakitty, David makes a lot easier to digest (the river of vile) with humor. So my money is going to good cause…stopping misogynists, one sarcastic joke at time.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
10 years ago

“like a gatling gun that fires dildos across the Internet”, I meant to type.

See also: statements that would never exist without the Internet that also mention the Internet.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
10 years ago

@Tulgey if your idea could be turned into a tv program with David Attenborough narrating, I would pay money for that.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

So, Jason, we know you’re reading. No middle ground between “tell her that her soul is dog shit” and “beg for attention”, then? You can’t imagine any position somewhere between these two extremes that might be a little more sensible and effective?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

(Also, I hate to break it to you, but randomly screaming “your soul is dog shit!” at women IS begging for attention, just not the positive kind.)

justabrowngirl
justabrowngirl
10 years ago

Maybe we should ask Jason to show us his cockfax.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

I’ve been told “no” by a man more than once. I did not go off on a hostile tirade about their complete failures at human beings or find it the time and place to quote insulting dialogue from Bad Santa.

If you Jez-ladies wanna know what “hostile” means, see this rejected woman.

Admittedly, I may have thanked them for being honest and sharing a nice time. So is that what hostile means?

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Mid-sentence of my post is quote from Jason’s VfM post. Blockquote monster cannibalized.

Ally S
10 years ago

I never encouraged anybody to treat another person in this way. (And I never would encourage that kind of abusive behavior.) It’s vicious on purpose—to illustrate the callousness with which men are routinely rejected. It illustrates the depths of degradation that some men are willing to endure for the chance of getting affection, attention, and sex from a woman. I actually encouraged folks to consider how some women *might* react to being treated this way. Nobody was actually rejected. Nobody was actually told that her soul was dog-shit.

Even if he’s being sincere, he’s deliberately ignoring the fact that he equated mere rejection with misogynistic verbal abuse.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Obligatory.

I also love how the little coward never came here to refute a single thing. Was he maybe afraid of getting pimp-slapped?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

You know, I’ve spent a lot of time in bars and clubs watching men hit on and often being rejected by women over the years, and I’ve yet to see a woman tell the man she was turning down that his soul was dog shit. Exaggerate much, dude?

justabrowngirl
justabrowngirl
10 years ago

Bina, I will get the baby powder, lol.

Ally S
10 years ago

You know, I’ve spent a lot of time in bars and clubs watching men hit on and often being rejected by women over the years, and I’ve yet to see a woman tell the man she was turning down that his soul was dog shit. Exaggerate much, dude?

It’s almost as if they watch movies with mean-spirited female characters being rude to men for various reasons and then assuming that this is a perfect representation of reality. Oh wait…

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

What he’s describing isn’t what happens when someone turns down a person who they’re not interested in, it’s what happens when someone is turned down by the person they were hitting on and then throws a tantrum. He should be embarrassed, honestly. It’s like watching a toddler throw their toys around because mom told them they couldn’t have any ice cream.