Hey, everybody!
So you remember that post a couple of days ago, that one in which I quoted Jason Gregory’s most peculiar dating advice for angry men? You know, the one in which he suggested that men rebuff women who are interested in them with a long and rather nasty assortment of misogynistic insults? You know, like these:
Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket.
And he went on like that for several more sentences. You can read the whole quote in my original piece, or in his original post on A Voice for Men.
Well, it turns out I totally misinterpreted Jason Gregory’s post, according to an unbiased and neutral outside observer named Jason Gregory, no relation to the original Jason Gregory, who’s written a post about it on his blog.
Hold on, I’m being told that this second Jason Gregory is in fact also the first Jason Gregory.
Anyway, according to Jason Gregory, even though Jason Gregory did explicitly tell men to “tell her … that her soul is dog-shit” he didn’t really mean to tell men to “tell her … that her soul is dog-shit.”
No, he only hypothetically meant this. He was just trying to suggest was how mean the ladies are when they turn down men.
What he was really trying to express, he now says, was that
men need to learn self-respect and to value their selves in totality—including the importance of valuing their sexuality.
Pretty weird how that came out in the original post as
Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket.
But, he insists, his aim was really quite noble. As he explains now, he wasn’t just trying to stand up for the dignity of men — he was trying to protect women from having their inboxes filled with dick-pics.
I wrote that men should stop giving away cock like it’s worthless. Perhaps if men valued their sexuality, they’d be less inclined to inundate women with emails, messages, and pick-up lines. Perhaps if men actually valued their sexuality, the ladies at Jezebel wouldn’t be so inclined to complain about all the free-cock oppression. Perhaps if men actually valued their sexuality, men wouldn’t degrade themselves by harassing, begging, and inundating women with dick pics and pleas for their attention and affection.
Indeed, he went on to argue, it was not he who was the real misogynist, but me. J’Accuse!
This might seem a hard case to make, what with the whole “tell her … her soul is dog-shit” bit and numerous other remarks in his original post, like, for example, his description of women who actually enjoy sex:
You may be able to find a few coked-up girls who really get into it—the kind of girls who end up with sweaty hair, mascara, and cum dripping down their cheeks, but those girls usually have emotional disorders and are simply trying to bury their emotional problems in various sorts of drug induced escapes.
And who can forget his suggestion that men make their dates “pay for a juicy sirloin to replace all the jizzed-out protein” they cause to be jizzed out?
But apparently I am the true misogynist because I ran my post making fun of him during my pledge drive. Which makes me a “misogyny pimp.”
This is where the mocking of misogyny becomes misogyny. He doesn’t care about the women who bother to read his blog. Though he may have a few days in which he invites women and other commenters to share and cry about their troubles, any good pimp knows the importance of faking like he cares. Any good pimp knows how to manipulate the emotions of “his bitches.” …
[H]e doesn’t care about why men are sending dick pics and bombarding women with emails and messages through online dating services. He’s not looking for solutions to these problems. He’s not saying that men who do such things may lack self-respect because the value of male sexuality is often viewed as less-than-worthless in our culture.
Wait, what? I don’t care enough about men who harass women so I’m a misogynist?
Exploiting women is a form of misogyny … In this way, Boobz has more in common with an abusive pimp than he has with any heroic slayer of misogyny. Boobz is the misogyny that he mocks. Boobz is a misogyny-pimp.
QED, I guess. Apparently quoting misogynists, mocking misogynists, discussing misogyny, taking notice of misogyny in any way … makes one a misogynist. At least according to a guy who apparently thinks that the only women who really “get into” sex are “coked-up girls” with “emotional disorders” and “cum dripping down their cheeks.”
You’ll notice that last line in Jason’s quote links to a video; that link is from him. It’s a clip from the film Bad Santa. As Jason makes a point of mentioning several times, that’s where he got the “your soul is dog shit” line.
But if you watch the clip you’ll notice one thing about that line, in its original context in the film — it’s not surrounded by a paragraph full of vile misogynistic abuse. Nope, that stuff is all Jason Gregory.
RE: Falconer
I know, right? Also, it makes my husband happy, because he’s bi and sometimes feels like a unicorn, because bi men don’t exist or some shit.
Chie is awesome, but I ship her with Yukiko. (Who is also awesome.)
In our case, competitiveness just never sunk in. We were a downtown public high school marching band with no budget and crappy instruments; we were there for the fun! Our football team sucked too, so it was all okay.
I looooove Pacific Rim and Charlie Hunnam mmmmmm
Sometimes I got the sense that our band director wanted to have a drum and bugle corps instead of a marching band, but noooooooo, he had to accommodate all these woodwinds ….
I honestly had trouble differentiating Stubble McWhiteDude from the other Stubble McWhiteDudes. (Seriously, they churn them out of a factory in Detroit or what?)
At least you weren’t a string player…I got a crappy hunk of wood that was supposed to be a rifle but had no metal at all. There’s a reason I only did one year!
I didn’t care for it much; I’ve only watched it once. Couldn’t understand the lyrics in most of the songs, and didn’t like Jack Skellington. It was a very well-done film, just not my style.
Toy Story’s more my thing. 😉
What always intrigued me about Nightmare Before Christmas was what I saw as one of the main themes – the struggle of an artist to reach past his comfort zone and create something new and different, while dealing with fans of his ‘old’ stuff who don’t understand what he’s trying to do.
We used to play the intro song (“This is Halloween”) before the boys went out to trick or treat, to set the mood. That seems so long ago now.
Is the thisiswhyyou’resingle blog/Tumblr/whatever it is still around? Because if so all of buttboy’s theories about how hooking up works should be on there.
What, what are these “theories”? I’m just pointing out the toxic dynamic on these internet dating sites, and how I think it’s bad for all involved.
Piss off, trollboy, Beavis is looking for you.
Really? You’re unable to follow your own line of reasoning?
The “toxic dynamic” is created specifically by douchey guys who send out random, nonspecific mash notes and/or dickpix to every woman they can, and who get abusive when ignored or turned down. I know it’s a terrible effort for your brain when it’s trapped up your ass, but TRY to stay with us here.
Your take-away from the whole OKC account discussion was “woman can just ignore the creepers”.
Every time I’ve ever tried to ignore a creeper, he just got creepier. Explain that one to me…
Is it just me who’s getting a whiff of sock from trollboy’s sudden attempts to be oh-so-reasonable?
This must be that “moderate” wing of the MRBM I keep hearing so much about.
I’m just wondering if this is one of the recurrent trolls (blog herpes, cassandrakitty calls ’em) trying it on again.
My new theory with this one is that he’s conducting an experiment to see if it’s possible to literally bore people to death over the internet.
He’ll never get a grant for that, it’s not original research.
I have an experiment for him to try, modelled roughly on the 40-hour famine. It’s the 40-year STFU and stop typing at this -athon.
🙂
Owww, it hurts:
“This is where the mocking of misogyny becomes misogyny.”
What? Is that a thing? No. No, it isn’t. Can mocking racism lead to racism too? No…but maybe to a racist…
“He doesn’t care about the women who bother to read his blog. Though he may have a few days in which he invites women and other commenters to share and cry about their troubles, any good pimp knows the importance of faking like he cares. Any good pimp knows how to manipulate the emotions of “his bitches.”
We’re bitches? David is a pimp? Someone is projecting his balls off.
“[H]e doesn’t care about why men are sending dick pics and bombarding women with emails and messages through online dating services. He’s not looking for solutions to these problems.”
Errr, the guys doing have a problem, yeah sure. Otherwise, I don’t know of a charitable way to ask these guys to stop sending unsolicited selfies. Do we gather up funds to bribe them?
“He’s not saying that men who do such things may lack self-respect because the value of male sexuality is often viewed as less-than-worthless in our culture.”
Less than worthless, eh? Explain how porn is an industry (yep, women like porn too, though, the last time I checked, most of it wasn’t devoted to my female gaze). Explain, explain, explain, asshole, how male sexuality is considered worthless. Or did you really mean that these men, in particular, aren’t getting sex despite acting like total sex pests and it’s **sniff** so unfair. **sniff**
Oh gods yes, THIS!
Owwww
I wonder how these losers would like to get their dickpics back … photoshopped?
::chuckle:: wonders with glee about in what manner Kittehs would photoshop them….bigger? wider? adding gentital warts? sweaters? looking like the furrinati got a hold of them?
possibilities, possibilities. 😛
The OP is clearly trying to “gotcha” us by turning feminist theory back on feminists, but he mostly just ends up sounding like a Furby: he’s heard the words and can repeat them, but he hasn’t understood them and can’t use them in a way that makes sense.
@neuroticbeagle
Oh, please say sweaters, that would be awesome XD
Yes, sweaters would be hilarious.
“The poor dears looked so cold, you know.”