Hey, everybody!
So you remember that post a couple of days ago, that one in which I quoted Jason Gregory’s most peculiar dating advice for angry men? You know, the one in which he suggested that men rebuff women who are interested in them with a long and rather nasty assortment of misogynistic insults? You know, like these:
Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket.
And he went on like that for several more sentences. You can read the whole quote in my original piece, or in his original post on A Voice for Men.
Well, it turns out I totally misinterpreted Jason Gregory’s post, according to an unbiased and neutral outside observer named Jason Gregory, no relation to the original Jason Gregory, who’s written a post about it on his blog.
Hold on, I’m being told that this second Jason Gregory is in fact also the first Jason Gregory.
Anyway, according to Jason Gregory, even though Jason Gregory did explicitly tell men to “tell her … that her soul is dog-shit” he didn’t really mean to tell men to “tell her … that her soul is dog-shit.”
No, he only hypothetically meant this. He was just trying to suggest was how mean the ladies are when they turn down men.
What he was really trying to express, he now says, was that
men need to learn self-respect and to value their selves in totality—including the importance of valuing their sexuality.
Pretty weird how that came out in the original post as
Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket.
But, he insists, his aim was really quite noble. As he explains now, he wasn’t just trying to stand up for the dignity of men — he was trying to protect women from having their inboxes filled with dick-pics.
I wrote that men should stop giving away cock like it’s worthless. Perhaps if men valued their sexuality, they’d be less inclined to inundate women with emails, messages, and pick-up lines. Perhaps if men actually valued their sexuality, the ladies at Jezebel wouldn’t be so inclined to complain about all the free-cock oppression. Perhaps if men actually valued their sexuality, men wouldn’t degrade themselves by harassing, begging, and inundating women with dick pics and pleas for their attention and affection.
Indeed, he went on to argue, it was not he who was the real misogynist, but me. J’Accuse!
This might seem a hard case to make, what with the whole “tell her … her soul is dog-shit” bit and numerous other remarks in his original post, like, for example, his description of women who actually enjoy sex:
You may be able to find a few coked-up girls who really get into it—the kind of girls who end up with sweaty hair, mascara, and cum dripping down their cheeks, but those girls usually have emotional disorders and are simply trying to bury their emotional problems in various sorts of drug induced escapes.
And who can forget his suggestion that men make their dates “pay for a juicy sirloin to replace all the jizzed-out protein” they cause to be jizzed out?
But apparently I am the true misogynist because I ran my post making fun of him during my pledge drive. Which makes me a “misogyny pimp.”
This is where the mocking of misogyny becomes misogyny. He doesn’t care about the women who bother to read his blog. Though he may have a few days in which he invites women and other commenters to share and cry about their troubles, any good pimp knows the importance of faking like he cares. Any good pimp knows how to manipulate the emotions of “his bitches.” …
[H]e doesn’t care about why men are sending dick pics and bombarding women with emails and messages through online dating services. He’s not looking for solutions to these problems. He’s not saying that men who do such things may lack self-respect because the value of male sexuality is often viewed as less-than-worthless in our culture.
Wait, what? I don’t care enough about men who harass women so I’m a misogynist?
Exploiting women is a form of misogyny … In this way, Boobz has more in common with an abusive pimp than he has with any heroic slayer of misogyny. Boobz is the misogyny that he mocks. Boobz is a misogyny-pimp.
QED, I guess. Apparently quoting misogynists, mocking misogynists, discussing misogyny, taking notice of misogyny in any way … makes one a misogynist. At least according to a guy who apparently thinks that the only women who really “get into” sex are “coked-up girls” with “emotional disorders” and “cum dripping down their cheeks.”
You’ll notice that last line in Jason’s quote links to a video; that link is from him. It’s a clip from the film Bad Santa. As Jason makes a point of mentioning several times, that’s where he got the “your soul is dog shit” line.
But if you watch the clip you’ll notice one thing about that line, in its original context in the film — it’s not surrounded by a paragraph full of vile misogynistic abuse. Nope, that stuff is all Jason Gregory.
Also, with advance apologies for a bad case of earworms, but I just came up with this:
“Hey, I just met you,
And this is shady —
But here’s my dickpic,
How ’bout it, lady?”
OT, but this is probably the dumbest Tumblr image I’ve seen this morning:
Funny how the women that picture all look middle class, judging by their appearance. Because lower class women are irrelevant. And certainly no woman ever advocates for workplace safety.
Also, I love how they’re focusing on jobs in the US only because, if we were to consider outsourced labor, there would be way more women in the statistics they cite. Among them being, you know, Bangladeshi female sweat shop workers suffering from illness just because of the abysmal working conditions and many of them dying because of the lack of access to health care.
Ooh, is that a thing? I’ve been looking for a replacement for the late, great Why Women Hate Men.
Also, FFS when are they ever going to understand how male privilege grants men freer access to more dangerous and demanding jobs because they are seen as stronger and more competent? It’s as if MRAs never bother listening to what we say.
All the small print on that Tumblr pic really defeats whatever message the MRAsshats are trying to put across under the false flag of “egalitarianism”. But hey! Don’t let me and my “unexamined privilege” stand in the way of your stupid exaggerations.
No, that was not Gregory’s point. Now, granted, it’s not the most, eh, coherent article ever written, but no, that was not his point. Gregory’s point is that men are “giving away cock” and this makes women feel entitled. And that women, receiving a these unsolicited sexually explicit inappropriate messages, have no right to complain because:
Gregory is arguing that receiving unwanted and creepy messages is a privilege. And oh yeah, think of teh poor menz who are sending those unwanted and creepy messages. They’re just doing it because they’re desperate for attention, any attention, from a woman. So no wonder teh menz get a little upset! It totally understandable that men lash out at women who reject them. Woman, on the other hand, have no right to object to any of this. How dare they? So the next time a woman wants to have sex with you, buddy, you just tell her her soul is dogshit! Then you’ll really how horribly spiteful and vindictive women are!
Gregory is pissed because women are complaining about online harassment. Gregory is complaining because women actually have agency and a choice in who they message and talk to and date and have sex with.
Gregory never stated that men send these messages because they are insecure about rejection. He says that the men doing it are clamoring for attention.
And that’s just fucking pathetic.
“I am simply acknowledging that maybe the people who engage in this behavior see it (and therefore try to justify it) differently than I do. ”
That does not make the justification valid.
Clearly, nothing has changed. >eyeroll<
Meanwhile, out here in reality, I have never EVER felt "privileged" at the sight of an unsolicited schlong in any way, shape or form. I've never felt "lucky" to see one. (In order for that to happen, sexytimes with a guy I actually like must be imminent. DUH.)
No, having the sight of an uninvited cock thrust upon me is no privilege. I know that for what it is…a gesture of intimidation. As in "You're gonna get this whether you want it or not, bitch!"
“Hey, I just met you,
And this is shady –
But here’s my dickpic,
How ’bout it, lady?”
LOL! that was perfect 😀 …did I find that too amusing?
“Gregory is complaining because women actually have agency and a choice in who they message and talk to and date and have sex with.”
…they (many MRA’s) seriously don’t think women should be treated as people like men are, do they? ._____.
RE: Kittehserf
Ahhh, that makes sense.
RE: buttboy69
Minus all the huffing and puffing in the paragraphs before and after, I agree with him.
Living lives of quiet desperation and dick pics. And harassment. *pulls out World’s Tiniest Violin again* Poor unfortunate souls. My manly soul bleeds for them.
People with shitty coping mechanisms are the ones responsible for replacing them. Even if they WERE doing this out of deep mental torment, if I managed to replace my starving techniques with something better, they damn well can learn to replace their harassment behavior.
@Ally S
It’s amazing how it’s portraying those things as stuff that only women use. I guess men live in caves or something.
Nah…I figured some laughter was in order, after all the other stuff. Glad somebody got a chuckle!
If seeing unwanted cock is a privilege, it must be one of those peculiar privileges of things you don’t want, can’t use, in a place you never want to go.
You know. Like Segways.
Well, at least a Segway might be fun to roll around on a bit. But yeah.
Yeah, and at least Segways can help folks get around. (I’m hard-pressed to think of a mobility impairment that is more comfortable standing than sitting, but perhaps one exists.) Anonymous photos of genitals? Not so much.
Seriously, dude, I already got a dick. You seen one, you seen ’em all.
@Ally
Not terribly related, but I swear that image is from a movie. The Women, I think? Idk, I never actually saw it, just the ads.
Probably never :/
@auggz
*not surprised* And I just met him…
re: segways/ standing up mobility aids
I asked fade, since she’s much more mobility device savvy than me, and she said it sounds familiar (not being able to sit comfortably and needing to stand) but she couldn’t find much on it with searching.
Happy to oblige!
As for the rest of this thread: what is this i can’t even
Thanks, Marie (and Fade)! I admit, my shit is such that in the rare times I do need a mobility aid, it’s specifically something that makes up for the weakness in my legs, so a Segway would be the absolute WORST.
It’s true. No man has ever:
1) Worn clothes
2) Lived in an apartment building
3) Crossed a bridge
4) Used electricity
5) Used wooden furniture
6) Thrown anything away
7) Eaten a vegetable
8) Eaten a fish
9) Flown on an airplane, or
10) Been in a building
Re Segways – there are times when my hips have been really sore and I need to stand up at work, so I can see someone using a mobility aid like that.
More segways: people with heart or lung conditions, where they can stand, but walking more than half a room requires a rest break?
(Sorry for the delay in replying, I didn’t go online yesterday.)
Lol, most of the unsolicited dick pics I’ve been ‘privileged’ to view were of the pinker variety, hence my initial mental image. I live in a predominantly white area, which apparently limits the number of POC pene I find in my inbox.
*stuffy English nature documentary voice* Here, we see the Sea of Men, filled with gently waving tentacledicks and sperm whales…
Attenborough. Definitely Attenborough.