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Men’s Rightsers honor Martin Luther King by talking about how women totally suck at being “warriors of peace.”

Mugshots of Freedom Riders. Click on image for more info, and more pictures.
Mugshots of Freedom Riders arrested for protesting segregation. The Freedom Riders were often attacked by white mobs, with the complicity of the police. Click on image for more info, and more pictures.

On Monday, Martin Luther King Day here in the United States, this was posted in the Men’s Rights subreddit, where, as you can see, it was quite popular with the assembled Men’s Rightsers:

(quote from Warren Farrell) "Men are likely to be not only the warriors of war but also the warriors of peace. Almost all those who risk their lives, are put in jail, or are killed for peace are men." Happy MLK Day!!

How wrong  is this? Let me count the ways.

1) It’s wrong because Men’s Rights “Activists” aren’t “warriors for peace,” or justice, or even for their own backwards notions of men’s rights. MRAs, like a lot of men insecure about their own worth, love to claim credit for the accomplishments of great men in the past (without accepting any responsibility for the terrible deeds of the terrible men who lived before them).

But even in terms of claiming credit where no credit is due this is especially ridiculous. Aside from a tiny handful of “fathers rights activists,” who’ve bizarrely chosen to try to advance their cause by vandalizing paintings and/or dressing up in superhero costumes and climbing up buildings, and one troubled man who killed himself in hopes that his death would spur other MRAs to acts of terrorism directed at courthouses and police stations, MRAs don’t risk anything with their “activism,” insofar as they engage in anything that can be called activism at all.

There’s nothing heroic, or risky, about posting anonymous rants online about how women are all a bunch of hypergamous bitches, or sending some vague threat to the feminist villain of the day.

Indeed, MRAs face so little risk that some are forced to invent stories of persecution — like John Hembling’s tall tale of being confronted by a mob of boxcutter-wielding feminists, thoroughly discredited by The Daily Beast — in order to cast themselves in the role of the persecuted victim-turned-hero.

2) It’s wrong because the person posting this message, and attempting to suggest some sort of link between the civil rights movement of Martin Luther King and the Men’s Rights movement today, is someone who also posts in the White Rights subreddit, a haven for the same sort of hateful white supremacists who hurled racial epithets — not to mention actual rocks and bottles — at King when he was alive.

When one Redditor pointed this out, and noted (correctly) that numerous white nationalists post in the Men’s Rights subreddit, they were quickly downvoted for their troubles.

The original poster explained that he only posted in White Rights about “real cases of white discrimination.”

Another poster offered an example of what he saw as one such case of “real” anti-white discrimination:
MrArtless 3 points 4 hours ago (5|2)  How about after George Zimmerman, many Black people physically assaulted White people and cited the verdict as their reasoning? Those Caucasians were discriminated against because of their skin color.
Yeah, that was totally a real thing.

3) It’s wrong because it’s wrong. As in, factually incorrect. Warren Farrell is talking out of his ass, again. Here’s a slightly longer version of his quote, which you can find on his web page. (It’s originally from The Myth of Male Power.)

Men are likely to be not only the warriors of war but also the warriors of peace. Almost all those who risk their lives, are put in jail, or are killed for peace are men. While some of the peace warriors—Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Dag Hammarskjold—are remembered, most are forgotten. Remember Norm Morrison?

Well, no, Warren, I don’t remember Norm Morrison. But I think you’re forgetting a few people too. Like half of the human race.

Women have been involved in peace and social justice movements as long as women have been active in the public sphere. Ever hear of Women Strike for Peace? Code Pink? At every large demonstration I’ve been at that has involved civil disobedience, I’ve seen both men and women arrested, with some of the women old enough to be grandmothers or great-grandmothers. The idea that women don’t put themselves on the line for peace or social justice is patently false.

This is really kind of  basic stuff. But with MRAs, alas, you always need to go back to the basics.

But the post in the Men’s Rights subreddit was all about co-opting the civil rights movement, so today I thought I would remind anyone who might have forgotten — or who never knew — that it wasn’t just men who put themselves at risk in the struggle for civil rights.

You can click on the pictures for more information.

Protesters at a lunch counter sit-in at Woolworths in Little Rock, Arkansas, 1963, under assault from a white mob. The protesters were beaten, kicked, and burned with cigarettes. The assault lasted three hours, while police stood by.
Protesters at a lunch counter sit-in at Woolworths in Jackson, Mississippi, 1963, under assault from a white mob. The protesters were beaten, kicked, and burned with cigarettes. The assault lasted three hours, while police stood by.
Freedom Riders, after their bus was attacked and set aflame by a white supremacist mob near Anniston, Alabama, 1961
Freedom Riders, after their bus was attacked and set aflame by a white supremacist mob near Anniston, Alabama, 1961
Student civil rights protesters blasted with water hose by authorities, Birmingham, Alabama, 1963
Student civil rights protesters blasted with water hose by authorities, Birmingham, Alabama, 1963
Fire Hose 60s Civil Rights
Birmingham, 1963
Elizabeth Eckford, who volunteered to be one of the first black students to enter the formerly all-white Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, on the first day of school in 1957
Elizabeth Eckford, who volunteered to be one of the first black students to enter the formerly all-white Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, on the first day of school in 1957
Student arrested for trying to read a book in a "white only" library in Albany, Georgia, 1963.
Student arrested for trying to read a book in a “white only” library in Albany, Georgia, 1963.
Police arrest NAACP member Ruth Tinsley for protesting outside a Richmond, Virginia, department store, 1960
Police arrest NAACP member Ruth Tinsley for protesting outside a Richmond, Virginia, department store, 1960
Rosa Parks, being fingerprinted after refusing to give up her bus seat to a white man, Montgomery, Alabama, 1955. I assume even Warrenn Farrell has heard of her.
Rosa Parks, being fingerprinted after refusing to give up her bus seat to a white man, Montgomery, Alabama, 1955. I hope that Warren Farrell has at the very least heard of her.
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shayla
shayla
10 years ago

Oh wow, digging in deeper to those Reddit links, one of the white rights dudes even tries to deny being an MRA. You know something’s gone terribly wrong when even that crowd is ashamed to be associated with you.

opium4themasses
10 years ago

Off topic and I have not read the comments yet, but I thought people might like to read this from Esquire.
http://www.esquire.com/_mobile/blogs/politics/bateman-rape-in-military-012214

There is some ableism on the linked blog as they call right-wing people “nits” but not in this post. I also think people might like Charlie Pierce’s work even with the problematic ableism. I understand though if it is not.

Yutolia
Yutolia
10 years ago
Yutolia
Yutolia
10 years ago

“peace and justice” is what I meant, not just peace.

bodycrimes
10 years ago

There’s a really great English slang word for these people:

Twats.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

Nope, not twat. Because calling these idiots “twats” is an insult to vulvae everywhere.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

In case I wasn’t clear, I’m giving a key reason why you shouldn’t use gendered insults on a feminist blog. So please don’t.

kittehserf
10 years ago

lkeke35, hi! Have you had an Official Welcome Package? 🙂

There is some ableism on the linked blog as they call right-wing people “nits” but not in this post.

I’m missing something: how it calling them the eggs of head lice ableism? I’d have thought it was a compliment.

Shaenon
10 years ago

The Madres de Plaza de Mayo, aka the Mothers of the Disappeared:

http://www.gratefulness.org/giftpeople/madres_de_plaza_de-mayo.htm

The Mirabal sisters of the Dominican Republic, known as las Mariposas:

http://www.therealdr.com/dominican-republic-history/mirabal-sisters-of-the-dominican-republic.html

There’s also the Ladies in White in Cuba:

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/our-work/human-rights-defenders/cuba/the-ladies-in-white/

vaiyt
10 years ago

“You know something’s gone terribly wrong when even that crowd is ashamed to be associated with you.”

Don’t be mistaken. Sometimes assholes deny their affiliations in order to pose as independent and unbiased.

freemage
10 years ago

I would like to second kittehserf’s question about ‘nit’, honestly–though my first read was ‘nit-wit’, that still doesn’t have the ableist problems that some terms used in a similar fashion do, because it’s never been an ‘official’ designation.

And hokesone: Yeah, I think we can toss you some bonbons for forcing them to acknowledge their fatuousness, even if only in the way they deny it (by downvoting you to oblivion for speaking the truth).

Diana Adams
Diana Adams
10 years ago

Because women suck at social activism is this why feminism is the greatest social movement of the 20th century? If women suck at social activism why are they so afraid of feminism?

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Figures that the MRAsshats would find a way to crap on not only MLK’s day, but the contributions of fully half the civil rights movement, too. And it figures that one of those asshats would do this:

There are a lot more documented cases of violence and threats of violence by feminists than by MRAs.

Just thought I’d drop that little fact on your dumb circle jerk and give you some much needed perspective-

Bye cupcakes …

Stay clASSy, PieceOfShitt33.

leftwingfox
10 years ago

Truth bomb! Suck it fascist assholes!
*drops mike, exits stage, tumbles into orchestra pit*

This makes me so happy. 😀

Caroline Not-So-Sweet
Caroline Not-So-Sweet
10 years ago

Yeah, women are so devoid of moral courage. Like this woman in Georgia who talked a severely mentally ill man from gunning down children with an AK-47:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/22/the-woman-who-stopped-a-school-shooting.html

I wonder what Farrell or the other MRAs would do if they were confronted with a similar situation.

Martin
Martin
10 years ago

Delurking to mention the Ploughshares Four, a group whose story would probably have been made into a movie had it involved cool young men, rather than ordinary-looking middle-aged British women.

Basically, they snuck onto an airbase at night and destroyed a multi-million dollar jet which was to be exported to the Suharto regime then running Indonesia. They waited there to be arrested in the morning and, after a long trial, were acquitted on the ground that they were acting to prevent a worse crime: genocide against the people of East Timor.

Now, *that’s* activism and a reminder of the difference a few brave, dedicated and thoughtful people can make.

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
10 years ago

It’s terrible to see the photo of a Carnegie library as an all-white institution. Robber baron though he was, Carnegie only provided buildings for libraries if it was agreed that there would be no segregation. This is why there are comparatively few Carnegie libraries in the old south.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
10 years ago

‘nother example. The “Iron Lady of Manipur.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irom_Chanu_Sharmila

“On 2 November 2000, she began a hunger strike which is still ongoing.”

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

That one MRA we had a post about recently would probably tell him he would be a hero for shooting women, since it’s just getting back for all the men who’ve died in wars.

Which would make him a feminist hero to boot because that’s the definition of it.

Mnemosyne
Mnemosyne
10 years ago

@BreakfastMan:

I always got the impression that organ cloning was still far off from my developmental biology professor. As I’m sure you know, it doesn’t really do a whole lot of good to take someone else’s stem cells and turn them into an organ. You want your own. They’ve managed to turn cells back into pluripotent stem cells, but before the cells could start differentiating, they turned cancerous. Somehow, we have to get around this. I’d imaging that producing fully-functioning reproductive organs that are genetically your own adds an extra layer of complexity…

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

Should someone notify the MRM that they’ve been feminists all along?

I don’t know wouldn’t that possibly cause a sudden overnight rash of suicide murders ? Riots in the streets ,cities burning to the ground across the country ? I just think they may have a bad reaction I don’t know why though.

Diana Adams
Diana Adams
10 years ago

This young girl has more courage, vision, intellect, passion and incredible public speaking skills than any MRA would ever dream to have.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Don’t most kids at least learn about Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, and Susan B Anthony by about third grade?
Or do MRAs consider public schools gynocracy indoctrination camps?

dallasapple
dallasapple
10 years ago

Or do MRAs consider public schools gynocracy indoctrination camps?

OH yes ..the schools are feminized . That is why girls are excelling and boys are falling behind .

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

At first glance, the guy in the upper right of the booking photos looked a lot like my dad! And then I really looked, and he didn’t. Sigh – I do wish we could dig up more information, but from what he said, he wasn’t formally booked or arrested, just shoved in jail and shoved out in the morning with a ‘don’t let us ever see your face around here again.’ And he never visited Mississippi again, though I somehow doubt it caused him any trouble.