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A Man Going His Own Way offers a plan for gender equality. It involves killing hundreds of thousands of women

A woman at work. But shouldn't she be DEAD?
A woman at work. But shouldn’t she be DEAD?

This blog gets a lot of drive-by commenters, usually hostile, who drop one comment and then vanish, never to return. A lot of these comments are insults and one-liners, but a good number of these one-shot numbers, apparently seeking to maximize the impact of their one bit of input on this blog, deposit mini-manifestos setting forth their grand visions of what Men’s Rights stands for, why feminism is evil, or whatever it is that has them most riled up that day.

The most recent of these manifesto-droppers was a self-described Man Going His Own Way called Disgruntled, who set forth at some length his own rather punitive version of gender equality. It’s a rather revealing document, so I thought I would share it with you all.

Disgruntled started off by declaring that

I … demand increased equality among the 2 main genders and whatever additional gender-types have entered the fray

But his vision of equality is a rather blinkered one, to say the least. He singles out three areas in which men fare worse than women, and demands not that the suffering of men be alleviated — but that the suffering of women be ratcheted up to meet that of men’s.

He starts off with a reasonable enough request, one that is in fact supported by most feminists:

One demand I have is that females in the USA be required by law, as males are, to sign up for the military draft and to be subject to a draft if enacted.

Indeed, when Selective Service registration was reinstated in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to include women. And given that women can now officially serve in combat in the armed forces, it seems likely that women will be included in registration as a matter of course.

Not that this is really much of a live issue, since the draft itself is dead and isn’t going to be resurrected in the forseeable future.

But Disgruntled’s next demand shows what his real agenda is:

To achieve parity I want the vast majority of draftees to be females until a general equality is attained with the numbers of dead and maimed males from past wars. To ease the determination I would start with World War 1.

That’s right: Disgruntled is calling for a government-sponsored lady-killing operation, one which would mean the death of hundreds of thousands of women, because women weren’t dying in combat during a period when they weren’t allowed to serve in combat.

Indeed, during World War I, when Disgruntled begins his program, they weren’t  allowed to vote.

He’s not the only MRA to feel this way; A Voice for Men has advanced a similarly punitive, if less drastic, “solution” to gender inequality in the armed forces.

I should note that the period that Disgruntled is trying to make up for, the twentieth century and early twenty-first, was a century of mass carnage. The United States managed to escape the worst of that carnage; while we were involved in numerous wars and other military operations, no wars were fought on US soil.

This may have given Americans — and American MRAs in particular — a rather skewed vision of what war is. The vast majority of American casualties in twentieth (and twenty-first) century wars have been military personnel — that is, they’ve been overwhelmingly male.

But in fact, in most wars, civilians (male and female, adults and children) make up roughly half of all casualties, some dying as a direct result of military actions and some as the result of disease and famine. In World War II, last century’s bloodiest war, possibly as many as 2/3 of the total casualties were civilian. Men don’t have a monopoly on suffering in wartime.

After a brief mention of criminal sentencing disparities, Disgruntled moves on to another topic that is a favorite of MRAs:

Another life aspect is the woeful number of males maimed or dying performing the tasks that keep the USA operating on a daily basis. As a society we must do all we can to get females employed in those high-risk jobs that traditionally have high injury/death rates.

Again: the solution is for more women to die!

Interestingly enough, though MRAs talk about “getting” women into these professions all the time, the women who have tried to enter professions like coal mining have faced massive resistance, not from feminists trying to protect them from dangerous “male” jobs but from management — and the men in these jobs themselves. Women coal miners not only face the dangers of the job, but open hostility and sexual harassment from their male co-workers as well.

Now, a real men’s movement — one interested in actually helping men and not just in attacking women or gleefully imagining them getting their comeuppance by dying in war or in a mine collapse — would look at the reports of (mostly) men dying in accidents on the job and would, you know, ACTUALLY TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT UNSAFE WORKING CONDITIONS.

It seems weird to have to point out that generally speaking real activists try to do something about the issues they care about, but in all my reading of the manosphere over the last few years I have not once seen any MRA actually attempt to examine why there are so many workplace deaths, much less ask what can be done about it.

Sure, MRAs complain about workplace deaths all the time, but simply as “proof” that men are the “disposible sex” and that women are a bunch of spoiled brats. Or, like Disgruntled, they use it as an excuse for elaborate fantasies of what Michael Kimmel calls “restorative, retaliatory” violence.

Do you want to know why there are so many workplace deaths?

Maybe it’s because companies that put workers at risk with serious violations of safety regulations get only a slap on the wrist from OSHA? The typical OSHA fine for a serious violation is $1700. Even if someone dies as a result of this violation, the maximum fine is only $7000.

Maybe it’s because so many employers put temporary workers in dangerous situations with inadequate training?

Maybe it’s because so many employers don’t give a shit about immigrant workers? As one recent report on preventable death in the workplace (from which I cribbed the above points)  notes:

While the overall U.S. fatality rates for workers have gradually decreased over time (though they are still too high), the fatality rate for immigrant workers has increased at an alarming rate.

When you start looking into the details, you discover that workplace deaths happen for some pretty predictable reasons: companies try to cut costs by cutting corners, and regulators (deeply intwined with the industries they regulate) look the other way. And so workers — particularly more vulnerable workers like immigrants, temp workers, and young workers — pay the price, sometimes literally with their lives.

It’s a labor issue. A class issue. A race issue. And insofar as it’s a gender issue, it’s not feminists or “cultural misandry” that is to blame, but rather a patriarchal narrative that suggests that macho men don’t need to worry about following the rules (even if those rules are designed to protect your life), that stoic men shouldn’t complain about rough conditions at work.

How do you organize to fight this? You don’t yell about the “death professions” on the internet. You don’t fantasize about how great it would be if more women died in coal mines. You actually research the issue rather than reciting MRA slogans. You contact the people who are already working on the issue — mostly labor activists — and ask how to help.

And that’s the problem here. MRAs don’t want to help. They want to rage against women.

And so comfortable middle-class MRAs, whose jobs are as about as dangerous as the lives of my (indoor) cats, appropriate the real suffering of vulnerable poor and working-class men as an excuse to yell at women online and fantasize about their deaths — all while doing precisely zilch to help the men they claim to care so much about.

Hell of a civil rights movement you’ve got there.

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Cheri
Cheri
10 years ago

What has always been interesting to me about the MRAs complaining about men dying on the job, other than not seeing how that is the fault of women, is that it is usually other MEN that are in the positions of making the decisions to skimp on safety to save money.

Also, it seems to me that they like throwing all the tired “personal responsibility” lines around when it concerns women, but not to themselves. To borrow a few of their favorite phrases, no one is forcing them to take dangerous jobs, and they knew what they were getting into when they hired in.

Robert Ramirez
10 years ago

Ok guys I know this is totally off-topic but in honor of kitt00, I have a non sequitur to ask you guys:

How come all the Romeo and Juliet films all seem to end the same way? Everytime I give one a chance they all end on the same sad note.

Please ‘splain.

It might take pages of post for me to get it, but I am up for a long read.

vaiyt
10 years ago

“If you were asked the question during an interview for a job in journalism, the answer would be pretty straightforward: You call up Boeing, and ask them. ”

That would be my second instinct. My first would be Googling for an estimate, because calls take up more time. Not wasting time is very important in journalism.

Bina
10 years ago

I’d just plug in the search terms “Boeing 747, weight” and see what Teh Google coughs up.

Also, on the unlikely chance that I’d ever be interested in kink, “blorfle” will be my safeword.

Malitia
Malitia
10 years ago

Google: site:www.boeing.com 747 weight

:3 site: is a useful google “command”. It limits the results down to ones on the site you specify.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
10 years ago

@David, my immediate answer was “look up the tech specs for that plane”, any variant of which is obviously the correct answer because it’s the simplest and least time-consuming. No job I’m qualified for would want me building a giant scale or a weight-displacement apparatus when a little research would suffice.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
10 years ago

site: is a useful google “command”. It limits the results down to ones on the site you specify.

I’ve been doing this on their advanced search form this whole time, because I can never remember the command. Thx for the reminder.

opheliamonarch
10 years ago

Just to say thanks again for last night Boobzers, you are fabulous.

@David,
Re the Microsoft 747 question. Mr M is one of those nasty men that does Microsoft interviews most months.
He says those types of questions aren’t ones that he personally uses. Although he does say that your answer would actually be a good first answer. But then, of course, he would say, now do it without Google. They don’t necessarily want a maths answer, apparently it’s more about getting a measure of your approach to problem solving and to get you talking. Cheeky answers are encouraged.

Protip though, don’t start talking about what the interviewer’s wife said on twitter last night. (True story!)

Other strange but true interview horror stories from Mr M:

The guy who had a phone interview and couldn’t stop belching.

The guy who said he was sacked from his last job because his boss had said he was an asshole.

The guy who wanted to work as a games developer, but admitted pirating his games and only paying for them if he liked them.

The guy on a Skype interview who kept dipping out of shot to google the answers thinking nobody would notice, and even then got the answers wrong.

Mr M says, yup, they were all men. That’s because the women he’s interviewed have never done anything that stupid.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Possible answers for “how would you calculate the weight of a 747?”:

– I wouldn’t.

– There isn’t a set of scales big enough

– Why do you want to know? YOU MUST BE A TERRORIST SOMEONE CALL THE CIA

kittehserf
10 years ago

” But then, of course, he would say, now do it without Google. ”

“Oh, fine, I’ll use Bing if it makes you happy.”

opheliamonarch
10 years ago

@Kitteh
Mr M says you’ve got the job. 🙂

opheliamonarch
10 years ago

Also, he says you get a pay bump for using Microsoft tech. 😛

kittehserf
10 years ago

LOL I thought it might be a trick question! 😀

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

the site: doesn’t need the whole domain either. i use site:au all the time to limit my searches to Australian sites. site:edu, site:edu.au, site:gov or site:gov.au are also useful if you want to limit your search to legit results when it’s something cranks write about.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

How do you get the weight of a plane? Call the folks who make it seems obvious. Going all ancient naked Greek guy in the bath seems a bit unreasonablely complex.

Depending why you need the weight though, going with “the multi-ton jet blah blah etc” seems reasonable.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Going all ancient naked Greek guy in the bath seems a bit unreasonablely complex.

“‘Eureka’ is Greek for ‘This bath is too hot’.” – Dr Who, circa Tom Baker. 🙂

Chris
Chris
10 years ago

I read you’re article about a man going his own way, and I had to respond!!!.I hope you don’t think all men think this way like disgruntled does, and I wished you would have stated that. This guy is mad, but why???, that’s the real question that needs answering. I have been reading some pretty mean things on the net and wow !!! This anger seems like it goes both ways, have you heard about Hanna rosin??? And other feminist women who say vile things about men and Boys…. What is going on?? Why has it come to this…. Such anger on both sides …sooo sad.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

You know what, Chris??? I really don’t care why there are people out there who think large numbers of women need to die because “equality”!!! That’s just morally reprehensible!!! Hanna Rosin never advocated killing large numbers of men!!!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Obvious troll is obvious. 0.5/10.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Chris, two points:

Nowhere does David say he thinks all or even many men are like the ones advocating mass murder of women.

This blog is about mocking misogyny. It says so, right up there in the banner. It’s not a blog for deep discussions of why misogynists have genocidal fantasies, or any analysis of their nasty, murky little minds. It’s for mocking them. If you don’t understand that, you’ll miss the point of everything written here.

Bina
10 years ago

Hanna Rosin? Pffffff. Where does SHE advocate the killing of men? Or, for that matter, women? Her theories about how men are “doomed” by women’s growing achievements are pulled from her ass, but even she doesn’t go there.

And if the idea of a gendercide of women doesn’t make you angry, you’re not fucking human. You are the slime of a rotting fungus. Capisce?

kittehserf
10 years ago

Oh, but it’s a defence mechanism by teh poor menz! They wouldn’t advocate murdering millions, or billions, of women if they weren’t hurt and sad.

eli
eli
10 years ago

Well, Bina, she DID write a book called The End of Men.

/sarcasm